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Posted by: Curley Joe

March 4, 2005

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- "Explosion Kills Former Prime Minister." "Suicide Terrorist Kills Five at Nightclub." "Car Bomber Kills 125 Police Recruits." "Iraqi Judge Assassinated." These recent headlines describe bloody events in Lebanon, Israel and Iraq, where IEDs, or "body bombs," have killed and maimed hundreds. Though true, these reports have apparently distracted many in the so-called mainstream media from a discomfiting reality: Freedom is on the march down the "Arab street."

Ever since U.S. troops first went to Afghanistan in October 2001, our supposedly more experienced "betters" in Europe and the "prudent potentates of the press" have said that U.S. military action against an Islamic nation would cause the "Arab street" to rise up and crush us. This theme was widely replayed in the build-up for Operation Iraqi Freedom -- and has been reiterated many times in the aftermath of Saddam Hussein's capture.

Since his Inaugural Address, President Bush has been repeatedly castigated for his "naivety" on one hand and for his "aggressive arrogance" on the other -- because he boldly tells those who suffer tyranny that "the United States will not ignore your oppression or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for your liberty, we will stand with you."

Yet, despite the carping critics -- and the carnage caused by those who would rather die than see freedom flourish -- any objective observer has to conclude that George W. Bush is right. "The call of freedom" does indeed come "to every mind and every soul." Freedom is indeed on the march -- even down the "Arab street."

It was evident last October in Afghanistan, in the ballots cast by Palestinians in early January and again in late January on the ink-stained fingers of Iraqi men and women, raised in proud defiance against murderous thugs who would return them to brutal bondage.

Whether the America-haters and Bush-bashers want to acknowledge it or not, the "call of freedom" is now being heard in places where American "influence" has long been deemed by the "experts" to be minimal, at best:

• In December, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians peacefully protested to force a new election when a rigged vote installed Vladimir Putin's handpicked presidential candidate. Today, reformist Viktor Yushchenko governs in Kiev. The Bush administration needed to do little more than lend its voice to the calls for a free and fair election.

• Last week, in long-suffering Syrian-occupied Lebanon, 25,000 unarmed Christian and Muslim civilians, protesting the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, forced the resignation of Syria's puppet government in Beirut. In the aftermath, the new Iraqi government -- and even the French -- have joined our call for the Syrians to withdraw their forces from Lebanon and deport the residue of Saddam's regime hiding there.

Though they have yet to fully comply, the Syrians have arrested and turned over the former dictator's half-brother, Sabawi Ibrahim al Hassan. And to ensure that those in Damascus who support terror don't get the idea that this is sufficient, President Bush has since told them to "get your troops and your secret services out of Lebanon, and give democracy a chance."

• In Cairo, Hosni Mubarak, never known to be a friend of liberty or democratic institutions, has announced that opposition candidates will be allowed to run for office in the upcoming Egyptian elections. Mubarak has been the only presidential "candidate" since taking power in 1981. While questions remain about who will be "allowed" to run, a taste of liberty in a democratic election may ignite the "fire of freedom" among the "people of the Nile."

• And now, even the royal family in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, seems to be getting the message. Though the recent Saudi "municipal elections" were more show than substance -- the elected councilors wield little power, the ruling House of Saud appoints as many councilors as were elected and only men could vote -- the taste of democracy has intensified the call on the "Arab street" for real elections.

Last week, the kingdom's Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal, speaking the heretofore unthinkable, said that in future elections women "may" have the right to vote. Unfortunately, he then added, "We know we want to reform, we know we want to modernize, but for God's sake leave us alone."

And therein lies the first problem: The prince doesn't get it. It's not just Bush's promise, "When you stand for your liberty we will stand with you," at work in Saudi Arabia -- it really is a quest for freedom that is sweeping down his "Arab streets," right past minarets preaching repression and hatred for all things "Western."

But Saud al-Faisal isn't alone in misunderstanding what freedom really means -- and from whence it springs. Last week, when President Bush confronted Vladimir Putin about Russia's freedom of the press, Putin shot back with: "We didn't criticize you when you fired those reporters at CBS."

Thus the second problem: Saud al-Faisal and Putin apparently believe that holding an election is enough. It's not. As we have learned from the "election" of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, there is much more to freedom than casting a ballot. Liberty also means a free press; freedom to worship-- or not; the rule of law where justice is tempered with mercy; freedom from fear -- of government, criminals or outsiders -- and the freedom to come and go, to speak politically, to work and create wealth.

All of this -- and more -- is what freedom is about. Elections are not the end of the process, just the beginning. That's what's wrong with the argument being waged by some in Congress to start withdrawing American forces from Iraq now that there has been an election. Whether it's the "Arab street," or elsewhere, liberty doesn't march to the beat of a cadence -- it arrives to the sound of many drummers, and impatience is never the friend of freedom.

—Oliver North

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Posted by: HECK!

You're quoting Ollie? Oh, man. That deep end just keeps getting lower and lower.

Mr. Iran-Contra himself. Freakin' comedy. Please don't stop

-HECK!

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Posted by: Curley Joe

I certainly don't expect But-monkeys to appreciate Ollie—nor Charles for that matter:

http://www.inreview.com/showthread....=371#post548183

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Posted by: HECK!

I bet the Iraqi's don't appreciate Ollie too much

I'm starting to understand the mentality here: amnesia prior to 9/11, falling into line with the administration's shady and fluctuating goals, lack of strategy, pretty color-coded terror chart, and brazen credo of 'the ends justify the means.' Pretty SHEEP-ish, indeed.

"Thank you Mr. Bush, may I have another!"

Stray from the herd. There's no need to subscribe to all the rhetoric.

"Can you imagine if my name had been Mungo Bush?"
-- George W. Bush. Session with European journalists at the White House, Feb. 18, 2005

-HECK!

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Posted by: Curley Joe

why don't you come to your senses?
You been out ridin' fences for so long now…

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Posted by: HECK!

I guess it's the cowboy in me...

The only fence I'm on is trying to decide whether Miller Lite has a great taste or is less-filling.

-HECK!

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Posted by: h@ts

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HECK said this in post #4 :
I bet the Iraqi's don't appreciate Ollie too much

I'm starting to understand the mentality here: amnesia prior to 9/11, falling into line with the administration's shady and fluctuating goals, lack of strategy, pretty color-coded terror chart, and brazen credo of 'the ends justify the means.' Pretty SHEEP-ish, indeed.


Oliver North? Wasn't he the guy that illegally sold military equipment to Iran while they were fighting Iraq, who the US was also supporting with military equipment and intelligence. And isn't he the same guy that then diverted the money from the illegal sales to a group of terrorists in Nicargua, ie the Contras who then went on to butcher all manner of innocent people.

"THEY ARRIVE at an undefended village, assemble all the residents in the town square, and then proceed to kill, in full view of the others, all persons working for the government-including police, local militia members, party members, health workers, teachers and farmers."
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Posted by: oneofpeace

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h@ts wrote
Oliver North? Wasn't he the guy that illegally sold military equipment to Iran while they were fighting Iraq, who the US was also supporting with military equipment and intelligence. And isn't he the same guy that then diverted the money from the illegal sales to a group of terrorists in Nicargua, ie the Contras who then went on to butcher all manner of innocent people.


No he wasn't. He was the fall guy.
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Posted by: adityamahesh

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HECK said this in post #6 :
I guess it's the cowboy in me...

The only fence I'm on is trying to decide whether Miller Lite has a great taste or is less-filling.

-HECK!


I like Miller High Life. Good stuff. Delicious and filling.
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Posted by: Curley Joe

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oneofpeace said this in post #8 :


No he wasn't. He was the fall guy.


Actually, that was Lee Majors.
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Posted by: oneofpeace

Where’d you think they got the idea for the job description?

Besides, Oswald was busy couldn’t fill the position.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

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Posted by: HECK!

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h@ts said this in post #7 :


Oliver North? Wasn't he the guy that illegally sold military equipment to Iran while they were fighting Iraq, who the US was also supporting with military equipment and intelligence. And isn't he the same guy that then diverted the money from the illegal sales to a group of terrorists in Nicargua, ie the Contras who then went on to butcher all manner of innocent people.

"THEY ARRIVE at an undefended village, assemble all the residents in the town square, and then proceed to kill, in full view of the others, all persons working for the government-including police, local militia members, party members, health workers, teachers and farmers."


Yes, he was. I'm sure Bush Sr. had nothing to do with it though

After all, the administration was just doing what Carter laid out for them: "Let our position be absolutely clear: an attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America. And such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force."

Translation: oil, money, oil, money, oil, money.

But, to be fair, the Carter doctrine was just an addition to the Nixon doctrine, which expanded Truman's, which expanded on Roosevelt's.

So yeah, this war is about an Iraqi election.

Oh my little sheep, how you have gone astray.

-HECK!
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Posted by: Curley Joe

Yes, the war was all about OIL.

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Posted by: JY_French

I like the way North explains how "even the French" have joined Bush's call. Just for the record, Chirac was a personal friend of killed former prime minister Hariri - he did not wait for Bush to condemn and urge the Syrian regime to leave Lebanon.
My aim is not to defend France here, I just want to point out one of the obvious bias of this article.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

Oliver North is a combat-decorated Marine, best-selling author, founder of a small business, inventor with three U.S. patents, syndicated columnist, former host of the radio’s Common Sense and the host of War Stories on the Fox News Channel.

His reports from Iraq as an embedded journalist were hailed by many as the best coverage during the war.

North served 22 years as a Marine and was awarded the Silver Star, the Bronze Star for valor and two Purple Hearts for wounds in action. Assigned to the National Security Council Staff in the Reagan administration, Colonel North was the United States government's Counter-Terrorism Coordinator, was involved in planning the rescue of medical students on the Island of Grenada and played a major role in the daring capture of the hijackers of the cruise ship Achille Lauro. His best-selling books include “Under Fire”, “Mission Compromised”, “The Jericho Sanction” and “War Stories.” Oliver North is also the founder of Freedom Alliance, a foundation which provides scholarships for the sons and daughters of service members killed in action.

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Posted by: HECK!

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Curley Joe said this in post #14 :
Yes, the war was all about OIL.


I guess we're supposed to forget about America's foreign policy in the Persian Gulf for the past 50 years and just assume Dubbs went into Iraq to free them. If you believe that... you wouldn't happen to be in the market for a used car, would 'ya?

-HECK!
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Posted by: HECK!

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Curley Joe said this in post #16 :
Oliver North is a combat-decorated Marine, best-selling author, founder of a small business, inventor with three U.S. patents, syndicated columnist, former host of the radio’s Common Sense and the host of War Stories on the Fox News Channel.

His reports from Iraq as an embedded journalist were hailed by many as the best coverage during the war.

North served 22 years as a Marine and was awarded the Silver Star, the Bronze Star for valor and two Purple Hearts for wounds in action. Assigned to the National Security Council Staff in the Reagan administration, Colonel North was the United States government's Counter-Terrorism Coordinator, was involved in planning the rescue of medical students on the Island of Grenada and played a major role in the daring capture of the hijackers of the cruise ship Achille Lauro. His best-selling books include “Under Fire”, “Mission Compromised”, “The Jericho Sanction” and “War Stories.” Oliver North is also the founder of Freedom Alliance, a foundation which provides scholarships for the sons and daughters of service members killed in action.


And he gave weapons to Iran so they would help the Contras in Nicoragua. Those weapons were used against Iraq, who, incidentally, was also using weapons from the United States. But I guess that's alright since he's a best selling author.

-HECK!
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Posted by: oneofpeace

In no way did a Lieutenant Cornel (Ollie North) have that much authority as to pull of the likes of an Iraq Contra on his own authority. That whole incident was another assault on the rationale of the American psyche.

You had best believed it was much higher up than that and since the first Bush was VP at the time and pardoned everyone who had any dealings with Iran Contra before he left office in 92, I find it funny how people can continue to swallow the BS served to them in super-sized happy-meal quantities. But then again, look at the latest sales figures from McDonalds.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

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HECK said this in post #17 :


I guess we're supposed to forget about America's foreign policy in the Persian Gulf for the past 50 years and just assume Dubbs went into Iraq to free them. If you believe that... you wouldn't happen to be in the market for a used car, would 'ya?

-HECK!


You're not expected to believe any such thing. Rather, it doesn't matter WHAT you believe. The American electorate has already spoken on the matter at hand—let's see, I believe it was shortly before the holidays, on the second day of November.

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Posted by: HECK!

Ah yes, fling word droppings and dive back in the foxhole of jaded, far right-wing muck, cowering behind an election purported by fear mongering and spin doctors trying to get the masses to never mind the greater agenda.

Keep the blinders on, don't question a thing, keep on 'nyuck'n.

-HECK!

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Posted by: JY_French

It never ceasesto amaze me how some people can show up in this forum, bragging about the outcome of the last election, when, as Heck points it out, propaganda of fear and hatred has been at play all the time, wrapped in nationalist discourses falsely flattering the american public and misleading it. Seeing Curley Joe doing so can only confort any sensible person in this perception of the reality of it.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

http://www.inreview.com/showthread....=371#post550608

The fact remains that promoting greater freedom for [the Middle East] women was on the official Bush agenda before September 11. The liberation of Iraq has injected the broader women's movement with energy and immediacy that did not exist previously. If the women of the Middle East and elsewhere in the Islamic world—numbering in the many millions—secure a place in the political life and public order of their nations, the years 2000 to 2008 will carry historic import equal to the immediate post-Cold War period.


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