Do we owe Black people in America an APOLOGY??

Racism Forum

Gary Webb Video in his own words

Good to see you again Doctor X

Funny thing....well, not that funny...
On the CIA website a few months ago I saw in their recruiting section for potential agents a complete denial of CIA involvement in drug trade...
they feel it's bad press and has given the CIA a black eye....

well, duh!!!

A great book on the subject:

Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA... by Reed & Cummings

YEAP, U DO OWE BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA AN APOLOGY. CUM ON, LETS B STRAIT HERE, U NO U DO.

The CIA probably just wanted to launder the money and unforunately choose this poor course of action to do it.

The only question I have, who is the 'we' in 'Do we owe black people in American an apology'?

-HECK!

Probably us "white folks" because of the whole slavery thing.

But, how does the "slavery thing" connect with the CIA drug business? Is it that Doctor X believes that the drug trade is INTENTIONALLY targeting black neighbourhoods?

I got a question, if that's the case:

What happens when black drug dealers become the dealers of choice to white suburbia? Does that then mean that blacks owe whites an apology, because the drug trade becomes focused on the more affluent white neighbourhoods?

I think the focus should be on those who are in power and making those decisions, whether they are consciously deciding to target a specific ethnic group, or whether their decisions inadvertently lead to that end. In this case, if the CIA is profitting from allowing the trade in the U.S., then their directors should be held accountable. As to whether blacks would get an apology: the answer to that is a resounding no. In part because the CIA isn't quick to apologize, and also because any ethnic group demanding an apology is basically asking for political appeasement, which I think can be really stupid, even if it is empowering. After all, a public apology that is coerced is usually not heartfelt, and demeans BOTH sides when that's the case.

You're right Sierradaddy, the CIA is not only not quick to apologize, but they adamantly deny the accusations in this instance...just like Operation Phoenix, MK-Ultra, Project Paperclip...ad nauseum.

MK-Ultra, for instance, went under Congressional investigation. Nothing really came of it...and a woman, Cathy O'Brien testified years ago for help to get her daughter out of a Tennessee mental institution (they were both subjects used in MK-Ultra)....but they were denied any further investigation into the matter for "reasons of national security."
Sick. Sick. Sick.

I think white ppl should be slaves and see how it feels j/k XDDDDDDDDDD

I wasn't a slave owner, and I've never treated another person differently because of their skin colour. Therefore, I owe no one an apology. Sorry... but I'm tired of being BLAMED for something that I've NEVER done.

Actually, I don't think that it's "okay" because there are too many people who go around thinking that because of something that happened, YEARS ago, that had NOTHING to do with them, personally, others owe them an apology. And it's not just with the whole blacks being slaves. It's many different races, etc... and it's just pathetic. I really don't understand people with a mind set like that. This world is filled with so much hate... and what people really need to do is take a VERY long, and HONEST look in the mirror, and see what is within them.

I know what it's like to be treated differently... I'm a lesbian. I know about prejudice... and it sucks. But, I don't hate others for it. I don't expect others to pay me back for the ways others have treated me, etc.... So, I might not know what it's like to be black, but I DO understand what they have gone through.

This all reminds me of a conversation I was having with my friends not too long ago. We recognized that, though we may not want to admit it and don't have too much control over it, we are all prejudiced in some way. We knew that we didn't mean to be prejudiced and that we think the way we think because of the attitudes around us growing up. So we all sat in a circle and listed all the groups we are prejudiced against and how we are trying to overcome our prejudices. It was a very interesting discussion with one friend but the other refused to say any of hers because I could be found in a few of her groups. I told her not to worry, she was in three of mine

I think he means the country as a whole- like the United States of America. An official apology.

-HECK!

My answer to that would be a resounding NO

I ditto that no

Wanna know what disgusts me? It's that blacks says "it's because im black aight?!" Well actually they're the ones who's creating that bad image for themselves.

You will get a firm "DITTO" from me!!!

I owe black people nothing.

Black people should apologize for committing the majority of homicides, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults from 1973 to the present day in the United States. The facts do not lie and I am not a racist.

Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/

Yes, next time you see an African American fellow on the street, be sure to request that apology.

i've never understood a "group" apologizing to another "group." it's so contrived and impersonal.

but what about the blame of the DRUG DEALER!!! the ONLY person in this thread to mention him was the dead guy. and the only reason he did was to further incriminate the cia. and certainly the USERS shouldn't have to take any responsibility for making a bad choice.

blame somebody else... it's the American way.

i don't deny the cia has dirty hands. but share and share alike where blame is concerned. political leanings tend to cloud judgement.

No, they do not, for the most part the people that enslaved and oppressed blacks to unbeleivable lengths are dead, just let the issue stay with them.

Well, yes and no. The people are dead, but the country was still built on slavery to quite a large extent. Blacks contributed enormously to building America into what it is today, because slavery allowed huge growth in America's young economy and allowed it to outpace the other countries so quickly. Not to say that intelligent, enterprising people weren't also part of that equation, but blacks never got any real benefit from the work that they did as slaves. They were intentionally left uneducated, not included in any human rights laws and regulations, they were considered livestock, treated like animals, and even after the civil war, they struggled and the government considered sending many of them back to Africa.

Regarding the CIA and allowing drugs to infiltrate the black low-income communities, how is that the black people's fault? How is the fact that homicides and other violent crimes that are being committed by blacks now, not powerfully connected to the struggle that we've had to endure in order for blacks to be considered an equally intelligent and endowed race (well, at least the educated ones. read: facetious)? You see, when people are constantly struggling to improve a situation that they neither created nor initially wanted, but they are being held back (whether intentionally or not) by those whose ancestors brought them here against their will, and no apology is made for it, even when certain issues are changed IN THE BOOKS PRIMARILY and not reflected quite as well in actual society, it should be only a matter of time before those people turn to "alternative measures" in order for them to get ahead in some form or fashion. Blacks obviously weren't always like this, and sordid, it's interesting that you would acknowledge the statistics against blacks, but not also consider the history that brought them there, which was largely out of our control.

While I doubt that blacks will ever receive an official apology (and I'm not even referring to reparations...), I'm certainly not against asking for one. I think it would go a long way towards blacks feeling included to a greater extent. Obviously, an official apology wouldn't directly affect me as a canadian of caribbean heritage, but even I would say that it would feel nice.

To me, it's like if Person A did something horrible to Person B for a long time, then Person A had a change of heart and stopped persecuting Person B. Then, Person A tried to establish a kinda uneasy friendship with Person B, mainly because it would be too difficult to get rid of Person B. If over time that friendship became genuine, wouldn't one expect that Person A would do more than just feel bad about how they treated Person B? Shouldn't Person B expect a freely-offered official apology from Person A? If none is given, should Person B really consider their friendship with Person A as genuine?

U know what whatb really really disgust me?!

Every 1's prejiduce when we all have red blood..except aliens.. but we're all have red skin when you take away the 3 layers of skin....!!

damn redblooders

And then there's those snobby Vulcans with their green blood They think they are so high and mighty just because their blood is green

......SPamer!!!
off topic Piipen Longstocking
But seriously ignore the alein tyhing

*sigh*
but serously those aren't real!!!!
but look on the news of what black people ar doing on the Katrina crisis...they're robbing looting stealling ppl's medications and setting fires etc.

*sigh*
but serously those aren't real!!!!
but look on the news of what black people ar doing on the Katrina crisis...they're robbing looting stealling ppl's medications and setting fires etc.

I know but most of them are.....*sigh* tis depressing

I know but most of them are.....*sigh* tis depressing

Smick Smack.

Jill and Jack..

It all boils down to.........

Money rules .

Follow the money and all your questions or complaints will be answered.

Our world is just that simple to comprehend.

I have told yo pep;s to direct your questions to me since I escaped from Mew Orleans'' How about an apology to ME AND MY FAMILY WHICH ARE SPREAD ALL OVER THE Nation

This was not a racial issue it was a go]vermnet issue. LACK OF L.\LEADERSHIP lACK OF PLANNING l>ACK OF BUILDING PROPER levees.
tHE African Americans CONTRIBUTED TO OUR CUL.TURE IN new oRLEANS THE CITY OF jazz AND Louis /ARMSTRONG. THEY WERE VICTIMS OF THE GOVERNOR THE Mayor AND Bush NOT STEPPING UP FAST ENOUGH
i SPOKE TO A broker FRIEND OF MINE IN Houston yesterday AND THATS WHERE MOST HAVE LANDED.


think L.LIKE THIS. we ARE ALL SUFFERING ACROSS THE Nation. i HEARD 5000 FAMILIES HAVE RELOCATED IN fOORT Smith Arkansas

tortoises NOT A RACIAL ISSUE IT IS MESSED UP; GOVERNMENT INCLUDING OUR\R Governor WHO FAILED TO ACT QUICK ENOUGH,OUR Mayor WHO SAW TO IT HIS FAMILY WAS OUT F hell, THE p:RESIIDENT WHO DID POLITICALLY CORRECT WALKING THE STREETS AND GIFTING UP LITTLE //BLACKS WHO WERE STARVING AND SAID help IS COMING. iT DIDIN''T UNTIL PEOPLE WERE FOUND DEAD FLOATING IN THE STREETS AND FINALLY THE National GUARD WAS PULLED IN THEN THE TROOPS.

damn L.EGISL.ATOORS SPENT THOUSANDS ON TRIPS WE TAX;AYERS P;AIIID AND NO ONE HAD THE SENSE TO TAKE COMMAND AND BUY A $10,000 SATELLITE PHONE TO LET THOSE POLICE COMMUNICATE AND RES TOR ORDER TO A CITY THAT IS KNOWN ALL OVER THE WORL.D AS THE /BIG easy.
SWAM

sORRY GUYS JUUST HHAD TO TELL THHE TRUTH HERE AND NOOW, i AM SSO ANGRY

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okay what's wrobg with your typing?

Little one......I am trying to type on an ancient machine, If you can't understand it............it's probably too much for you, Give it up.

Delta... first off, NO ONE HERE owe's YOU an apology. Yes, you went through the hurricane, and lost everything. So did a million other people. WHY should someone here apologize for a hurricane? We are sorry that it happened, to everyone. But, please, stop riding people's butts about it. Okay?

Secondly... don't jump on someone because your writing can't be deciphered. This is nothing new to all of us. You are VERY hard to understand almost all the time.

Now, back to the actual TOPIC!

AZ.... I KNOW that she's been through a rough time. But, she's posted, more than once, saying that she's the one that's been through it. People have the rights to their opinion...

Anyway.... if you want to take this to pm, I will discuss it with you, if there is a need.

I can't speak for Delta, but what I gleaned from what she was saying is this:

1) The people of New Orleans be they Black, white, purple, poor, rich, sinners, saved....deserved better conditions than levees that were known to only withstand a Category 3 hurricane.

2) The response time of the evacuation and life saving efforts was abominable...by local, state, and federal officials.

3) It is soooooo tiresome to watch on the news, government officials having photo opportunities to make them look "compassionate and helpful" and praising one another like a bunch of succubi trying to one up their own political career by kissing butt of those in positions above them.

4) And most of all, there are people of all genders, races, and classes who have been horribly affected by this natural disaster....many of them Black....but to continually want apologies because of race is disengenuous because there were many many types who were affected by this hurricane...... but all of them can claim to be in the human race...not just the Black race.
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So, if you really want to bring up race and the apologies needed....perhaps we should all look into our own lives and those we have directly affected and see if there are any of ANY RACE, including our own "race," whom we have mistreated or hurt personally and ask not only for an apology, but forgiveness.

And as a nation....personally, I believe if we are descendants of Europeans who came over to America....we owe an even greater apology, if you will, to the indigenous populations who our forefathers snuffed out in their fear and loathing of a people unknown to our forefathers. And so many of these individual tribes no longer have representatives living today who we could offer an apology for reconciliation...because we murdered every last one of those tribe members and the tribes no longer exist.

This is the heritage of our forefathers, even before the Constitution, even after the Constitution:

British came over on the Nina, Pinta, and the Santa Maria because they were afraid to stand up to the British king who told them basically, "if you do not worship God the way the state says, we will execute you."
So, in fear, they came to America to live in "freedom" from the British king.

What was the first thing these cowardly Christians did? They murdered the indigenous populations because they were afraid....not a very "Christian" thing to do, now is it?

And on and on so it goes....we wage foreign wars and disrupt other sovereign states because we are still that cowardly people who are afraid of their own shadow. So we inflict some more killing.

And when a tyrannical goverment such as we see today, the government of the United States of America, no longer follows the laws of the Constitution, no longer looks out for the people of this country, but would rather build up Iraq in our stead, what do we do?

Absolutely nothing. We complain about it, we moan and we grumble, but we no longer have a frontier like America to run to in cowardice....

If you ask me....we need to apologize to a force much greater than man and government....and we need to forgive ourselves for continuing on in our legacy of cowardice.

Grace and Peace,
SWTT

Wanted to let you know that I totally agree with your so intelligent analyisis of today's and yesterday's actions.

Which were and are so in contrast with their "Image" productions that are paid for by us stupidos.

Kudos to you....SWTT



BECK

So do we agree that we cannot trust what we see in the media? Good, bad or other?
If we can't believe them, what coarse do we take? Human nature? Do we go about thinking that all people are generally good and really do care about others? Without the media to explain everything in their view, we would have to decide for ourselves. Should we?
I choose to believe that most people do care. In an event such as this, I can't believe that anybody didn't care. Now, we can talk about incompetence or ignorance or whatever and there is plenty of that to go around, starting with the French. We have known and predicted this danger for at least 100 years. To not have acted over all that time tells me that Louisiana put something else over the cost of the city. Money, time, maybe both but to blame someone now for this tragedy seems pointless. To take the focus off of this on-going tragedy in a way that distracts us from saving lives and doing the right thing is an insult. We cannot protect us from ourselves.
If people wish to stay in NO they will. Some left and some didn't. Even today, some won't leave.
The ones who owe Black people an apology are those who brought it up, mostly for political gain or media ratings.
I read that 60% of NO is black. Does it make a difference? What percentage stayed or were left behind? How many “whites” died? How many Blacks died? I am sure this information will come out and you are obliged to look at it.
I for one will not, it is irrelevant to me. I care about all of those souls and don’t care to count which colors they are.

The French Quarter is the highest ground in the area and was almost untouched. Had people just gone to higher ground they would have been safer. Just doing that, may have helped save lives. Many lived because they went to the rooftops and the reports about 10 thousand dead seem to be incorrect. More hype of the tragedy to get things escalated and I give him credit for getting everyone’s complete attention.
Because I travel a lot, I was warned in advance about this hurricane by two methods and I don't even live there. I was told 4 days in advance that this was going to be bad for NO. That message claimed, “All wooden structures would be flattened, no power, no water, and no sewage. Concrete building would have substantial failure and many would collapse.” That would be enough for me. I don't consider this "crying wolf" but then again I don't live there.
Maybe Delta knows if they cry wolf a lot or maybe she could give us an idea of what the general message is for a Hurricane warning. I guess only Delta could tell us if the message she got was some how different this time. Also when did you know of the coming Hurricane? When did you leave and how?

Delta is still busy trying to get thru to insurers, etc. I will post a brief answer until she is able . Beck.

Delta attended a Red hat luncheon on Saturday.

At two 0'clock Sunday morning her daughter woke her said. "Pack something..we're leaving in fifteen minutes." Delta left with just one suitcase and a makeup box [of course]. They drove all night to a shelter near Jackson Miss. Two days later the power went out there and they drove all night to Nashville to an extended stay motel . When she called me on the nex t Saturday, I called a travel agent and got her a ticket to fly here the next day. She will be with me until fourther notice. Her home is covered with water and all her possessions are gone. She will give you the embellishments when she comes out of her dazed state. Meanwhile I will see that she will be all right.

Hello, Becker via Delta's username. I'm not sure why you cannot post as Becker and Delta as herself from the same computer, but I am getting used it. I don't know you and your sister as well as a lot of people here, but from my little experience here I always liked and respected what both you and Delta have said from what I recall.

I have been had great interest in hearing your sister's story from an insider's perspective. I am curious to hear the answers to USA1's questions about the procedures in general for evacuations and how seriously people take them. Obviously, she took them seriously, thank heavens. I wish more had, or had been given the means to do so.

Anyway, you are a good brother! Everyone should be as lucky as Delta to have such a fine sibling.

becker sux at computers.

we can try to tell him how to do it, but you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Becker get firefox. One of you can run a window with firefox browser for using INR, the other can use internet explorer. That way you both can be logged into the site.

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

Yes we should apologize to black people for allowing them to ruin everything. Seriously?

Well done Dekka I think thats checkmate

ur full of crap, dekka black people dont have the ability to be president because they're too busy killing each other, i firmly believe in racism for several reasons, one... we are NOT all equal, period, sad to say but its true, if we were all equal then WHY are asians so good at math and science, its not cuz they were raised that way... have you ever went to an engineering class at college, A LOT of them are asian, have you noticed the fastest sprinters in the world are all BLACK, its not cuz they were raised to get in the olympics, they just happened to be REALLY fast through genetics, well... same thing goes for society, blacks are the most inferior out of all groups look at Africa and how much turmoil its been in the past thousands of years, lol they are so backwards switzerland could take the entire continent, they cant run society and barrack obama has white in him by the way just to let you know , and oh yea, im expecting some yankee b.s. about how im a racist pig... SO F'ing WHAT? i have questioned assumption on everyone beeing equal, you got a problem with it then shove it up your corkbottle and call the racist police on me, lol like i give a crap, if it was up to the South we'd be independent and way better off than the North, and no i DONT HATE BLACKS, i just think they are inferirior in society and despite equal rights will ALWAYS be at the bottom, lol and i know im right right there hehe, now let me hear the flames, ive got my shotgun cocked and loaded

Hmm me thinks a former member has come back under a different name.

Can't believe I am going to dignify this with a reply but here goes.


well see the problem with your assumption as you call it is that you are dealing micro terms not macro terms. See your assumption that Asians are good at Maths and science is flawed, 3 billion Asians in that continent alone I would doubt that even half of those are math whizz kids, and you assumption that it's not because they are raised that way is crap a little research would have shown that Asian schools and Asian families place a much higher emphasis on maths and Science than western families.

Now onto your sprinters again Micro theory but this is a Macro world. if you took all T&F events and all sports like soccer, baseball, American football etc etc you would see that whites and blacks are pretty equal in mumbers of compeitors.

Now as for Africa for the most part I can't argue with you except on a few points. Firstly thousands try hundreds of years, Africa was under British and French rule for long periods, secondly as independent countries they are very young they need time, thirdly a lot are victims of circumstance as opposed to flawed thinking and fourthly Switzerland couldn't fight out of a paper bag let alone fight Africa ( they do have those way cool knives, cuckoo clocks and chocolate though)

See the point is that you havent given any solid evidence that blacks are inferior ( maybe it's cos you are an inbred southern hick) thats because you can't find any evidence because it's not factual there are many blacks that have done great things for America and the world you just chose to ignore them.


Hyoptehtically lets just say you are right an blacks are faster and Asioans are better at Maths based subjects that would make them better than you which means they can't be inferior to you.

Becker's right. This all boils down to money. Which boils down to basic human instinct.
Money=Power
Power=Security
Securtity=Mates
Its just like a wolf pack, only 1000000 times more convoluted.
we are just another type of animal.... face the facts