Parents Stand By Michael

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PARENTS DEFEND JACKSON

Michael Jackson's parents have blamed racism for the public hatred aimed at their alleged child-abuser son. Joe and Katherine Jackson said while the rest of the world saw a singer or a figure of fun, they saw their boy.

The pop icon is facing trial on charges including abusing a boy and plying him with alcohol, allegations he denies.

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Parents standing by Jackson

His parents said Jackson had shied away from the vast media coverage on his case and that Mrs Jackson had been left sleepless by the ordeal.

Asked if his son could still find chart success, Mr Jackson told US television station CBS: "Of course he can resume his career. This is just the United States. All the rest of the countries, all over the world, are proud of Michael. It's here we have the most trouble, it's racism."

Mrs Jackson described the charges as "ridiculous".

Standing by her 46-year-old son, she said: "I know my son. My son would never hurt a child. He loved children too much. And attacking those who have spoken about Jackson, she said: "They have to remember that there's a family out there that loves that person they're lying on and talking about. Especially a mother, and she has feelings... I do a lot of praying."

- Sky News

I feel sorry for this family cause they are all not to trustworthy. for years they have been going back and forward on MJ being abused by his dad, Latoya saying that she was abused, their father deneying it. Then Janet "lying" about the wardrobe malfunction, LaToya "lying" about MJ with kids, Jermaine "lying" about the Mj arrest abuse.

The jacksons aren't respected anymore, and they can't keep trying to put up this facade, because all their lies are comming into the light, and the more they lie the more it's hurting their credibility.

Jacko is no abuser - mum

ichael Jackson's mother said yesterday she was '100 per cent' certain her son did not abuse children. Katherine Jackson believes that 'people with dirty minds' are to blame for assuming there is anything wrong in sharing a room with children.

The mother-of-nine, who fears her son will not have a fair trial, added: "I can't sleep thinking about what these wicked people might try to do to him."

She said the pop star had looked her in the eye and told her: "I didn't do this." Choking back tears, she added: "I believe that for one reason - I know his character. He loves children. You don't molest anything that you love. He's different because he is a good person. If my son was wacko, he wouldn't be where he is today." The interview was aired in the US last night.

- Daily Mail

For God's sake. If his whole family sees nothing wrong with sharing a room and a bed with lots of little kiddies is it really any wonder that Michael grew up into the wierdo he is today?

i'm telling you they are going to do everything and say everything in their power to keep the cash comming in. All the Jacksons are washed up, and believe it or not Latoya is making more money than all of them right now (she's doing good overseas). Mike and janet were the family's last cash cows, now janet got caught up and her cd failed and well Mj still sells records overseas, but it's not enought to support the family's lavish lifestyle.

but yeah of course they pulled Mj aside and told him at one point or another to "chill out with all the boys." but you'll never hear it from Kate and Joe.

I remember during and after the OJ case, Mama OJ swore her baby was innocent too....she even quoted Biblical scripture right and left to defend her poor baby.

We have a pedophile at our church. His Mama is the same way...and his surrogate aunt who paid for his lawyer..at least in the sense that they claim he is innocent.

Six years in the pokey (during this incarceration...there have been a few others) and both Mama and he claim he was innocent....well, the jury says differently....
he now walks into church all beefed up on weight lifting and an older woman on his arm....guess he's trying to say he likes them old....I don't buy it....but I hope he changes/changed his ways.
The church has a restraining order that states he cannot come near children without adult supervision...very sad.

I think we would all try and stand by our children if they were accused of any crime. Although it may take a while to come to terms with the fact that your child had committed a crime, especially a crime like this, against children, we would still want to be there for them.

And a big part of "being there for them" is to be honest and admit that your child committed the crime. Being blind to it doesn't help anyone, in fact it hurts the child...denial is worse.
And since this case is at the beginning stages....Mama is gonna stand up for her boy....and if a guilty verdict is rendered in this case...Mama will cry "he's been framed." I have seen it all too often. In fact Mama Jackson is saying those very words already.

Mike's mom has a very simple view of the world. She thinks that everyone that says anything bad about her son is EVIL.

I think evil folks exist, but not in the numbers she seems too. She is blind, she loves her boy, and will never believe her son is evil.

You could put her in a room and show her videotape of Mike doing perverted things, and she would simply not accept it. It's too much to ask of her.

Now Joe, that guy is a snake. I bet he knows full well about Mike, but dont' care, cause of the money.

I don't know for sure of course, just an educated guess.

Daddy Joe is the reason MJ is the way he is.
He beat his ass all the time...sold him off to lecherous pedophiles in the music industry...won't name names.

People don't become pedophiles in a vacuum....and they cannot get help when they are in denial and a portion of the world won't believe it....including Mama.

I never even considered that, that he had been molested as a child.

That would make sense. It would explain a lot of things.

Pedophilia is a self perpetuating cycle....they create future pedophiles with their actions. A high number of them become homosexual if not pedophiles themselves....regardless of what sex pedophiled you....or prostitution....it's nasty....that's why it's important to lock them up.

When I worked for the state courts, I spoke alot with Federal probation officers who only worked pedophile crime case loads.
They were the most frustrated people in their jobs I have ever met....they basically said pedophiles were uncurable, untreatable....they do their time, get out and continue on....and the Federal PO's had to keep very close tabs on them...and they eventually lock them up again....very sad.

And its easy to gauge the approximate age the person was pedophiled....it stunts their maturity level to the age at which they were pedophiled....that's why Michael still talks with the girly voice and is so infatuated with kids.

I've seen pedophile priests on TV interviews who talk the same way.

It's a sick old world sometimes.

I saw a special on Michael on VH1. They had a psychologist on who said that he was sexually abused. The abuse was that his older brothers, and dad, would bring groupies to the room and have sex in the room with Michael there trying to sleep. They said that it would cause him serious trauma.

He talked about that in the Martin Bashir interview as well, that he would pretend to be asleep while his brothers had sex with fans in the room.

But people watch other people have sex, it's not an unheard of thing, either on purpose through strip clubs and whatever, or accidentally overhearing your neighbours or house mate going at it.

I don't doubt that Michael Jackson had a difficult childhood, but every excuse he puts forward can be dismissed pretty much by saying that hundreds of people have gone through similar if not worse experiences and they're not freaks who abuse children.

His strict religious upbringing was in contrast to what he saw. He was told that doing that would send you to hell. For a young child, it would be traumatic.

Every child goes through that kind of thing, parents tell their children that it's wrong to lie and then the parents go and lie themselves. I don't think any parent should tell their child that they'll go to hell if they do something wrong, but unnfortunately a lot of religious familes do say that to their kids.

Again, Michael Jackson is not alone in this situation and yet he's allowed to use it as an excuse.

If you found out that the person who runs your child care centre of one of your children's teachers had been accused of child molestation and their excuse was that they had been forced to sit a room and watch their brothers have sex or that they were afraid of going to hell as a child, you wouldn't buy it as an excuse.

Oh I don't think it is an excuse. There is no excuse for harming a child. I do think that he had traumas in his childhood, but so do many people and they do not grow up to do what I think he has done.

yeah, no excuses, we are just trying to figure out what went wrong.

If that's possible.

I want some serious jail time for him. Keep him away from future victims.

I mean a cancer patient. For crying out loud!

ah but there are those who think that a cancer victim would not be a target. I think it made the kid a huge target. Michael knew the kid might not live to testify. What a sicko.

I think it is mostly being uber rich and having everyone say yes to you. This guy knows no limits. He won't listen to anyone who tells him he is doing the wrong thing.

Yeah...Im gonna go off topic...sue me.

It almost sickens me that you would put homosexuals in the same category as serial killers and prostitutes (not to mention that it isnt even right to catergorize prostitutes with serial killers).

homosexuality
serial killers
prostitutes

You say: It's a special person who is touched by God who does not become like the above and who does not perpetuate the dysfunction..

Opinions are like ******** everybody's got one...and in this case, unfortunately.

You wouldn't have said that 100 years ago....and who knows maybe 100 years from now pedophilia will be in the same category...legal and peddled as acceptable behavior to the masses.
A cop I know said it would happen in less than twenty years...we'll see, maybe.

Who knows? Maybe the MJ case will pave the way for such groups as NAMBLA -- North American Man/Boy Love Association.

Some ancient society's embraced pedophilia, which is hard to accept.

How could a whole society think something like that is right? I don't know, I just remember hearing about it in sociology, and found it pretty disgusting.

That one Roman Ceaser, can't recall his name, Caligula or the one before him, had that 13 year old boy, that got some kind of ancient surgery sex change, then he married it.

I'm thankful that we live in a country and a world for the most part, (I know about the sex trade in thai-land) that thinks pedophilia is sick stuff.

If a 100 years from now, it's not taboo, thankfully I will be long dead.


SWTT, I wouldn't throw in prostitutes and homo's with serial killers.

A serial killer is way way worse than a prostitute.

I'm not even going to talk about homosexuality, that topic is such a explosive issue, we already have threads on it, they always turn ugly. But whether you think it's wrong or not, it's a long long way from child molesting.

Mike Jackson seems to be a homo pedophile, but I think the heterosexual pedophile is much more common. All these victims on Oprah, and other shows, they get molested by their uncle or some other family member and it's mostly girls getting molested by male adults.

However, it could be that males keep quiet about it more than girls, I know I would!

As a matter of fact, I don't bring it up, but I had a pedophile after me when I was 17.

I worked my part time job, and he would put his hand on my leg and leave it there while in the office. I felt uncomfortable as hell about it.

I was young and stupid. I didn't want to see the evil in him. He was over 30, and started to hang around with all us teenagers. He went in the woods with us, hung out with us.

All of our parents told us he was wrong somehow, and we took up for him. cause we were young and stupid and naive.

He said he just liked to touch people. We believed him.

Anyhow, a couple of years went by, one of my relatives moved in with him for a room mate, got drunk, and was sleeping on the couch.

The dude made his move cause he thought my relative was passed out.

Just a simple grope for the private area, nothing big time. My relative was awake however and beat the living tar out of him.

The pedophile called me that night and told me there had been a misunderstanding, that something went wrong. He told me he would never call me again, and then he moved away.

It was really sad.

I don't hate homosexuals for it. I have no animosity in my heart for homo's,

to my mind, this guy was not a homo,

he was a pedophile. Which is a big difference.

You know, he was gay, he could have found another group of gay men and did his thing. that would have been cool.

But no, he hangs around with heterosexual young boys, in there teenage years and takes advantage of them.

One sick bastard.

And you know, I have forgiven him over the years, I mean all he did was touch my leg, and play mind games with me. Nothing too over the top.

Thankfully!

I would speak to him if I saw him, I forgive him, I think he is sick in the head and needs help.

I do feel that after he left, he kept up his old ways. He had been kicked out of boy scouts years earlier for something.

yes, I know, all the warning signs were there. We were just naive and young and stupid.

We didn't know that the pedophile shows up as a friend, vs the weirdo in the trench coat in the park.

Adults should always be on the look out and protect the children from older weirdo adults.

That's why, I hope some of these sell outs in the MJ camp that know what he is doing to kids and helping him do it, for money, I hope they do some jail time too.

that would be some true justice.

Whidden
What I am saying is that a huge percentage of homosexuals, prostitutes, serial killers were and are victims of pedophilia.
I am not lumping them together in any way judgmentally....merely stating that pedophilia has huge ramifications on an individual.
Look at the prison population...a large marjority were victims of this type of abuse...or other forms of physical and mental abuse.

And that there are exceptions to this, of course, one most notably being Oprah Winfrey...she managed to channel her tragic childhood into the positive to help others. Unfortunately, however, many get involved in self destructive behavior or complete the cycle and become perpetrators themselves.

And I know that for myself and many others I have known, homosexuality was a way that we could deal with childhood trauma and have intimate relationships...at first these kinds of relationships seemed safer and kinder than what I had experience with men at an early age. And then by the time I was 30 years old and been involved in it for 16 years, I found it to be extremely destructive behavior.

mystic wrote:
can you explain how this last statement that you originally wrote is not judging?"

It's amazing to me to know that there are those like Oprah Winfrey who do not end up turning their childhood abuse into negativity as adults. And yes, she would be first to admit that she's had a rough time of it.....problems with weight is how it manifests itself in SOME people.

There are alot of different manifestations of how pedophilia affects people's lives....I listed only three of them and it seems to have hit a hot button.

I wasn't intending to mean that all victims of pedophilia only become those three types of people...that's inaccurate...
again, I said that there are large numbers within those groups who have been victims of pedophilia.....attempting to show that pedophilia affects society in ways that harm the society in a great manner.

You want stats? Why not interview all of my past lovers and then their previous lovers and then their previous lovers or even my friends who are homosexual and then their friends and on and on....or interview the local hookers in your area....take a poll in your local prison....because it won't matter what stats I post here. And when stats are taken in these areas....many people have boxed these memories in order to cope and have no clue until a later time and some won't answer honestly to a complete stranger.

The movie "Mercy" with Ellen Barkin gets alot into the psychology of and manifestations of pedophilia in the lesbian community.

It's easy to be very clinical and sit in a high tower and look down at victims of pedophilia and say such and such and this and that.....but when you've been in the underbelly of it all and see how it affects those close to you and those around you in certain circles...the perspective is completely different.

I'll reply to this in a PM...nothing like airing one's crap for the world to see.

Please do take it to pms.

Back to the subject: Parents standing by Michael.

I find it odd that so many are standing by him still.

MJ's relationship with his parents is a little odd anyway. I know the Jackson kids have all spoken out about how Joe abused them over the years; pushing them into showbiz at such young ages and physically abusing them. As for their mother, she never seemed to protect the kids from Joe's brutality...or maybe she was guilty of it herself.

I think she was just the totally submissive wife. Because she is very religious, I think much of what happened on the road stayed on the road. Who would tell their mom that their brothers are doing all that crazy stuff when they think it will send them to hell and hurt their mom?

Which of the kids came out and said he was abusive?

Wanst it just Michael and LaToya?

I thought the others denied it....or am I wrong. I cant remember.

As close as Michael was with Qunicy Jones...dont you think he would have said something to him? Certainly someone would have known right?

I dont know...Im not saying he wasnt physically abused or mentally abused for that matter...but why havent any of the other kids (besides LaToya) and said something. (or again, maybe they have and I dont remember).

I could be mistaken too Mystic. I thought I remembered that all the Jackson kids admitted that Joe was abusive. Maybe it's my judgement upon Joe's appearance. Ever look at someone you don't know and get the distinct impression that they beat their spouse or children? I hate admitting I'm judging a book by it's cover, but something about Joe strikes me as being dominating, abrasive and abusive.