Pro-War Celebrities Bash Hollywood Anti-War Activists - Post-9/11 Era

Pro-War Celebrities Bash Hollywood Anti-War Activists

Post-9/11 Era Forum

Pages:  1Original Forum    Popular Forums    Search

Posted by: Seek4Justice

http://www.cnsnews.com/Nation/archi...T20030428b.html

Pro-War Celebrities Bash Hollywood Anti-War Activists


Washington (CNSNews.com) - Hollywood celebrities attending the 89th annual White House Correspondents Association Dinner in Washington on Saturday night made it a point to condemn celebrity anti-war activists.

Actor Kelsey Grammer, who plays the lead role in NBC's "Frasier" sitcom, said he refused to watch this year's Academy Awards because of the anti-war "crap" that fellow celebrities spewed.

Grammer said he was spared filmmaker Michael Moore's anti-war acceptance speech and attack on the Bush administration at the March 23rd Academy Awards. "I didn't hear it because I didn't watch [the Academy Awards], Grammer told CNSNews.com.

"I wasn't interested. I knew that that kind of crap was going to be there and I thought, I am not interested," Grammer added.

While accepting an Oscar for his anti-gun documentary "Bowling For Columbine," Moore said, "We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons...Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you."

Grammer called Moore's movie "a one-sided film" and blamed the media for giving so much publicity to Moore's anti-war speech.

"The media just loves to pay attention to whatever is happening that makes the most noise," Grammer explained.

Jason Priestley of "Beverly Hills 90210" television fame, agreed with Grammer and lamented the excessive coverage of anti-war celebrities by what he termed the "liberal media."

"I think more people should keep their opinions to themselves," Priestley said. He was particularly incensed by Moore's acceptance speech.

"It was shocking. I did not believe that was the forum to voice your opinions. Michael Moore is allowed to have opinions and his opinions are valid like everyone else's opinion, but I just didn't think the Academy Awards were the place to voice them in that manner," he explained.

'Keep their mouths shut'

Actor Robert Duvall said he is not a fan of Michael Moore, and he lashed out at Hollywood political activists.

"They should keep their mouths shut," Duvall said.

Asked if the media over-emphasizes celebrity opinions, actor Ron Silver emphatically agreed.

"I do, because at the end of the day, who cares? There are more important things on the table. But if they wanted to use Natalie Maines (of the Dixie Chicks) or Tim Robbins or me, or whomever, that is their business," Silver said.

Silver, a cofounder of the Creative Coalition, a generally liberal Hollywood activist organization, was an ardent supporter of the war in Iraq.

Asked if he has received any flak from other celebrities such as fellow Creative Coalition founder Susan Sarandon for his outspoken support of the war, Silver quipped, "Absolutely none, absolutely none, we just don't talk anymore."

Silver also dismissed Moore's acceptance speech,, saying, "I don't listen to Michael Moore...I didn't agree with him."

Democratic presidential candidate Al Sharpton defended the media's continuous coverage of celebrity activism.

"Hollywood celebrities generate millions of fans. I don't think that's overindulgence, I think that that is appropriate to those that have widespread appeal to be given widespread coverage," Sharpton said.

'Kooky ideas'

Steve Doocy, anchor of the FOX News Channel's morning program "Fox and Friends," said media focus on celebrity activism is helping to hold Hollywood accountable.

"In the past, Hollywood celebrities have never been held accountable for some of their kind of kooky ideas that aren't in line with the balance of America," Doocy said.

Andrew Firestone, the star of ABC's current reality series "The Bachelor," said he feels uncomfortable with entertainers using their celebrity status to promote their political views.

"I personally feel as though you speak about what you know. I would never want to be in a position to abuse the position I am in, in order to put my opinions across," Firestone said.

"We have to remember that actors are actors, and elected leaders are elected leaders," he added.

Trista Rehn, ABC's former "Bachelorette," thinks the media should focus on celebrity political activists.

"That is the media's job, it is to focus on people's opinions and what is going on in society and I think we place celebrities up on a pedestal, so people want to know what they think," Rehn said.

'Dirty, dirty, dirty'

The journalists assembled at the dinner generally praised themselves for a job well done on the recent war coverage, but there were exceptions.

Cyber journalist Matt Drudge was happy about CNN executive Eason Jordan's recent confession that the network withheld many details of Saddam Hussein's atrocities over the last ten years to protect its news sources in Iraq. CNN has come under fire by many media critics for censoring the news in exchange for continued access to Iraq under Hussein's former government.

"I am glad they are coming clean. I am waiting for the other networks to come clean," Drudge said. "I am waiting for the other newspapers to come clean. This town is dirty, dirty, dirty and CNN confessing is a nice start," he said.

Sharpton believes the American public did not get the full truth about the war from the media.

"I think media ought to cover everything on both sides. I think that there was some media that didn't say all they knew about Saddam [Hussein] and I think others have not said all they knew on the United States military side. I think both acted irresponsibly," Sharpton said.

CNN's Bob Franken did not like FOX News's use of the phrase "we" when covering the U.S. armed forces during the war.

"I disagree with the FOX approach to it. I believe it was jingoistic, but that's their approach to it. They would disagree with me, I suspect," Franken told CNSNews.com.

"We have to be remember and even those of us who are in the embed [program] have to remember, it is 'they,' not 'we'. It's just an important distinction. We serve our country by doing that," Franken explained.

The embed program allowed journalists to travel with pre-assigned military units in order to give the public a more authentic feel for the war.

Franken noted the fierceness of cable news competition and complimented the other news channels on their war coverage.

"The cable wars, I am sort of uncomfortable with them. I congratulate FOX, I thought that they did a very nice job, so did MSNBC, so did we," he said.

CNN's Wolf Blitzer praised the Pentagon's embed program.

"The embed process, I thought, worked excellent...I think it helped the journalists, I think it helped the pentagon, but most important, it helped the American public to understand what was going on," Blitzer said.

CBS corespondent Bill Plante was more cautious about the embed program.

"I think it worked well in this war, but it only gives you a very small picture from the point of each embed. You need the big picture as well as the little picture," Plante said.

"I hope [the Pentagon] continues it, but I hope they don't try to make it the only view of the war," he added.

President Bush addressed the White House correspondents' dinner and also lauded the embed program. Bush said journalists got a first-hand look at the "skill and bravery and decency" of soldiers, while military personnel "gained a greater respect for the journalists traveling with them, who showed a tenacity and courage of their own."

Many Iraq war combat veterans as well as members of Congress and the President's cabinet attended the press dinner, which was held at the Washington Hilton.

Reply To this Message

Posted by: DaveDom

What a bad man Michael Moore is. How awful, upsetting a bunch of self-publisising, backslapping, overpaid, overindulged, primadonnas. How they must have suffered having to confront the real world while they sipped on champagne and drank their caviar and signed their next $million contract.

I hope I speak for us all when I express my sympathy towards our Hollywood stars.

Reply To this Message

Posted by: gdog

I hope I speak for all of us when I express my gut wrenching loathing for Michael Moore and celebrity protesters.

Reply To this Message

Posted by: DaveDom

quote:
Originally posted by gdog
I hope I speak for all of us when I express my gut wrenching loathing for Michael Moore and celebrity protesters.


Any particular reason you would loathe Michael Moore? But just to cheer you up here's what he said after the Oscar protest:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

-- On the day after I criticized Bush and the war at the Academy Awards, attendance at "Bowling for Columbine" in theaters around the country went up 110% (source: Daily Variety/BoxOfficeMojo.com). The following weekend, the box office gross was up a whopping 73% (Variety). It is now the longest-running consecutive commercial release in America, 26 weeks in a row and still thriving. The number of theaters showing the film since the Oscars has INCREASED, and it has now bested the previous box office record for a documentary by nearly 300%.

-- Yesterday (April 6), "Stupid White Men" shot back to #1 on the New York Times bestseller list. This is my book's 50th week on the list, 8 of them at number one, and this marks its fourth return to the top position, something that virtually never happens.
Reply To this Message

Posted by: photek

hey, how about this?

who gives a flying **** what celebrities say?

how many times do i have to say this? these people never have to worry about a god dam thing in their lives. they wake up every day knowing that even if they were to quit their job they would never have to work again

do you know how nice that must be?

and they're making comments about how flawed the president's war plans are? and what's better for the iraqi people?

it's ****ing lunacy, and i hope that if there is one thing we can agree on it's that celebrities are jack offs who should never be viewed as anything except entertainers. pro war, anti war, it doesn't matter.

they all need to be quiet and continue making millions of dollars for looking good. end of story.

Reply To this Message

Posted by: DaveDom

quote:
Originally posted by photek


it's ****ing lunacy, and i hope that if there is one thing we can agree on it's that celebrities are jack offs who should never be viewed as anything except entertainers. pro war, anti war, it doesn't matter.

they all need to be quiet and continue making millions of dollars for looking good. end of story.


I can't agree with that. I think in a healthy democratic society eveyone should have an opportunity to express their opinion freely. As someone once said, they can take our lives but they'll never take our freedom-fries.

Well except for Bruce Willis of course and Kelsy Grammar (I've know it for a long time but it's always very disapointing to be reminded that Frasier's a war fan).
Reply To this Message

Posted by: photek

quote:
Originally posted by DaveDom


I can't agree with that. I think in a healthy democratic society eveyone should have an opportunity to express their opinion freely. As someone once said, they can take our lives but they'll never take our freedom-fries.

Well except for Bruce Willis of course and Kelsy Grammar (I've know it for a long time but it's always very disapointing to be reminded that Frasier's a war fan).


well, i should have been more specific.

of course i think they should have the opportunity to express their opinion. and they do have that opportunity. that's not my point.

what they shouldn't have the opportunity to do is start politicizing every side of the argument that best suits them when they have no clue what they're talking about. what they shouldn't have the opportunity to do is get pissed off when their comments are reciprocated towards them surandan and robbins think they can stand up and talk about the 'iraqi children'...when the closest exposure they've had to those children is watching a 'adopt a child' commercial for 3 seconds before turning the tv off and heading out to buy a 15 million dollar home.

and that's all i see. it's like, 'oh, look, the attention has shifted from celebrities to war...that can't happen dammit! we embody the american culture! we should be the focus! all the time!' and so on and so forth.
Reply To this Message

Posted by: mystic

quote:
Originally posted by DaveDom


Any particular reason you would loathe Michael Moore? But just to cheer you up here's what he said after the Oscar protest:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

-- On the day after I criticized Bush and the war at the Academy Awards, attendance at "Bowling for Columbine" in theaters around the country went up 110% (source: Daily Variety/BoxOfficeMojo.com). The following weekend, the box office gross was up a whopping 73% (Variety). It is now the longest-running consecutive commercial release in America, 26 weeks in a row and still thriving. The number of theaters showing the film since the Oscars has INCREASED, and it has now bested the previous box office record for a documentary by nearly 300%.

-- Yesterday (April 6), "Stupid White Men" shot back to #1 on the New York Times bestseller list. This is my book's 50th week on the list, 8 of them at number one, and this marks its fourth return to the top position, something that virtually never happens.



Dave, I have to laugh at this again!!!!

You have stated, among many others, that when a person like Moore expresses his opinions, then the bush administration sets out to get them. You basically stated that America does not tolerate them. Thank you for the "proof" that this is just not the case, as his slanted movie is still rated high!

You are a nutcase!
Reply To this Message

Posted by: Dubyagee

quote:
Originally posted by DaveDom


-- On the day after I criticized Bush and the war at the Academy Awards, attendance at "Bowling for Columbine" in theaters around the country went up 110% (source: Daily Variety/BoxOfficeMojo.com). The following weekend, the box office gross was up a whopping 73% (Variety). It is now the longest-running consecutive commercial release in America, 26 weeks in a row and still thriving. The number of theaters showing the film since the Oscars has INCREASED, and it has now bested the previous box office record for a documentary by nearly 300%.

-- Yesterday (April 6), "Stupid White Men" shot back to #1 on the New York Times bestseller list. This is my book's 50th week on the list, 8 of them at number one, and this marks its fourth return to the top position, something that virtually never happens.


So in other words micheal moore did it to sell more movie tickets......That should insult the anti war peeps
Reply To this Message

Posted by: Dubyagee

On a side note does anyone else think "search4truth" and "seek4justice" are one in the same? Or is it just me.

Reply To this Message

Posted by: DaveDom

quote:
Originally posted by mystic



Dave, I have to laugh at this again!!!!

You have stated, among many others, that when a person like Moore expresses his opinions, then the bush administration sets out to get them. You basically stated that America does not tolerate them. Thank you for the "proof" that this is just not the case, as his slanted movie is still rated high!

You are a nutcase!


mystic, I have to laugh at this again!!!!

You have stated, among many others, that Bush is responsible for restricting CIA surveliance on terrorists in the USA before 9-11. And of couse the scandel of Enron's $millions to Bush and him getting rid of all that nasty red tape that protected ordinary Americans from losing their life savings.

I like this game
Reply To this Message

Posted by: ickle

I have to disagree with the assertion that the Bush adminstration is "out to get them" after thay speak out. If you'll notice, the Bush adminstration - as reflected by the comments of Ari Fleischer and Bush himself in last week's interview - merely state that the celeb's have the right to speak out and the right to their own opinion. I really don't think they care what celebrities think, nor should they.

The major backalsh against the celeb's comes from the American people - most of whom think that somone who studied acting or music, if they went to school at all, should probably not be speaking out about geopolitics like they have some higher moral plane than anyone else. Puuullllleeeeaaasssseeee!!!!!

I think Dennis Miller put it best after giving his opinion on the war: "But what do I know, I'm just a comedian." Thus, indicating that his opinion is not worth a whole lot.

Celebrities are free to have their own opinion, they just need to realize that their opinion is the opinion of one person out of 280 million. I think a lot of people have a problem with the disproprotionate amount of attention that a celeb's opinion gets.

I certainly have little or no respect for anyone who adopts a position on any issue based upon what a celebrity thinks.

I do apprecite the humor of it though. My favorite quote, from Martin Sheen: "Inspections Work." Yeah, right. Even when we had 250,000 troops and the world's most powerful military massed on the border, the Iraqi's continued to defy and decieve the inspectors.

Pro-war or anti war, let them blather on....

Reply To this Message

Posted by: photek

the quote from moore's website that says

quote:
On the day after I criticized Bush and the war at the Academy Awards, attendance at "Bowling for Columbine" in theaters around the country went up 110% (source: Daily Variety/BoxOfficeMojo.com). The following weekend, the box office gross was up a whopping 73% (Variety). It is now the longest-running consecutive commercial release in America, 26 weeks in a row and still thriving. The number of theaters showing the film since the Oscars has INCREASED, and it has now bested the previous box office record for a documentary by nearly 300%.

-- Yesterday (April 6), "Stupid White Men" shot back to #1 on the New York Times bestseller list. This is my book's 50th week on the list, 8 of them at number one, and this marks its fourth return to the top position, something that virtually never happens.


now that is some pathetic stuff. what he's basically saying is 'ha ha, now i'am even more famous and rich and that's in bush's face.'

he just wants to make bush look bad, moore's not interested in iraq.
Reply To this Message

Posted by: DrPoke

quote:
Originally posted by Seek4Justice
[url]
"It was shocking. I did not believe that was the forum to voice your opinions. Michael Moore is allowed to have opinions and his opinions are valid like everyone else's opinion, but I just didn't think the Academy Awards were the place to voice them in that manner," he explained.

'Keep their mouths shut'

Actor Robert Duvall said he is not a fan of Michael Moore, and he lashed out at Hollywood political activists.

"They should keep their mouths shut ," Duvall said.



Hmmmm. some of these actors seem like great believers in free speech.
Reply To this Message

Posted by: mystic

quote:
Originally posted by DrPoke


Hmmmm. some of these actors seem like great believers in free speech.


Oh..another stupid reply.........

you people just dont get it do you?

Let me spell it out. Free speech...great...everyone enjoys it!

Entertainers should be entertaining. If they want to speak fine...do it someplace else. This was NOT the forum to do it in . (Academy Awards that is)

Continue to generalize all you want, but when it comes to events like this, people do not always share the same belief. It is out of respect for EVERYBODY that politics stay out of forums like this.

Robert Duvall....what? now that he has a say..you think it is wrong for him to speak his mind? I believe he is now exercising his right to free speech. But since he spoke his mind...you chastise him for it? LOL what a joke. Whats good for the goose is not good for the gander?

I could care less what people like, Madonna, The Dixie Chicks, Micheal Moore, Dennis Miller, or Even Robert Duvall have to say about the subject. I do not rely on these people for information. I rely on these people to entertain me, not throw their beliefs on me.

These people have had plenty of time in forums where they are able to speak their mind. Fine. Do it! just dont do it when Im paying money for entertainment, or when I turn on the Academy Awards.

Get it yet? Probably not!
Reply To this Message

Posted by: DrPoke

quote:
Originally posted by mystic


Oh..another stupid reply.........

you people just dont get it do you?

Let me spell it out. Free speech...great...everyone enjoys it!

Entertainers should be entertaining. If they want to speak fine...do it someplace else. This was NOT the forum to do it in . (Academy Awards that is)
...............
...............These people have had plenty of time in forums where they are able to speak their mind. Fine. Do it! just dont do it when Im paying money for entertainment, or when I turn on the Academy Awards.

Get it yet? Probably not!


Oh..another stupid reply.........

OK so now actors need to be given a list of places where they are, or are not allowed to mention politics. Hey you can have free speech, here is a list of places where we will give you that privilege etc. But please not on TV where millions of people might be watching, some of those people might be offended by your views on the subject, these people have paid good money to watch you guys walking onto stage giving each other slaps on the back and making crappy acceptance speeches, they do NOT care about your opinions on anything. I thought Moore's outburst was great entertainment, I only watched the brief hightlights of the show and that was the best hightlight, and funny to watch the audience, laugh/cheer/boo or squirm, more Moore.
Reply To this Message

Posted by: mystic

quote:
Originally posted by DrPoke


Oh..another stupid reply.........

OK so now actors need to be given a list of places where they are, or are not allowed to mention politics. Hey you can have free speech, here is a list of places where we will give you that privilege etc. But please not on TV where millions of people might be watching, some of those people might be offended by your views on the subject, these people have paid good money to watch you guys walking onto stage giving each other slaps on the back and making crappy acceptance speeches, they do NOT care about your opinions on anything. I thought Moore's outburst was great entertainment, I only watched the brief hightlights of the show and that was the best hightlight, and funny to watch the audience, laugh/cheer/boo or squirm, more Moore.



It is not a matter of making lists.....another stupid conclusion on your part! It's called respect! A word, which I am convinced that you are not familiar with!
Reply To this Message

Pages:  1 Free Forums    Chat Forum

Post-9/11 Era Forum: Pro-War Celebrities Bash Hollywood Anti-War Activists

Forum Forum Forum