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Posted by: Seek4Justice

http://www.timesstar.com/Stories/0,...1352262,00.html

Chirac's latest ploy stinks of blatant hypocrisy


JACQUES CHIRAC'S scheme to win French companies fat contracts in reconstructing Iraq has run into realpolitik: anti-U.S. actions have consequences.
After a decade of opposing any pressure on Saddam to obey U.N. resolutions, France reversed itself after its favorite dictator was brought down. Chirac and his new ally, Vladimir Putin, let it be known they would refuse to lift U.N. sanctions on the sale of Iraqi oil.

Last week's Chirac-Putin ultimatum: If we don't get French-Russian contracts to rebuild Iraq, then we won't let Iraq sell its oil. You suffer the casualties; we get the contracts.

France and Russia also want to keep under U.N. control the currently permitted sale of Iraqi oil, ostensibly to buy food and medicine for a majority of Iraqis. That's because the oil-for-food bureaucracy headed by Benon Sevan let Saddam steer billions in banking and commercial business to Paris, Moscow and Damascus.

The blatant hypocrisy of all this created an op-ed firestorm. In The Times, Claudia Rosett exposed the secrecy of the oil-for-food boondoggle, manipulated by Saddam to favor Security Council supporters. Charles Krauthammer in the Washington Post excoriated Chirac's brazen flip-flop of opposing sanctions on Saddam and then insisting they be imposed on post-Saddam Iraq. My own tirade appeared in the International Herald Tribune, read in Paris by Quai d'Orsay's would-be Talleyrands.

As France appeared to be taking the moral low ground, Security Council diplomats became uncomfortable. Then France appeared to have been struck by sweet reason. Instead of ending sanctions on a regime that no longer existed, France floated a proposal merely suspending sanctions until the Security Council decides that the new post-Saddam Iraq is not making weapons of mass destruction.

Some compromise. That neat trick is designed to force the United States into gaining the U.N. inspectors' approval before sanctions are ended. It would keep a heavy U.N. foot on Iraqi pipelines and keep France in the reconstruction contracts business. Suspension would put the emerging Iraq in a class with Libya, still suspended after its downing of Pan Am 103.

Fortunately, Colin Powell is not about to be sandbagged again. The State Department spent Wednesday preparing a U.N. resolution to decisively end, not merely suspend, economic sanctions on Iraq. If carefully crafted, then it should contain language similar to that of the oil-for-food resolution. That would guarantee that proceeds from future oil sales held in trust for the interim Iraqi authority would be immune from attachment by previous claimants.

In plain language, that means that sales of Iraqi oil sold starting now would be for rebuilding the nation, and could not be snatched by France and Russia to pay Saddam's old arms debts. Chirac and Putin won't like that a bit. Would either of them veto the will of a Security Council majority and stand before the Arab world as greedy obstructionists? Let's see.

Planners of the trust fund flowing from the end of sanctions should draw lessons from the Saddam-dominated, secretive U.N. oil-for-food mess. Barham Salih, a Kurdish leader, told the Wall Street Journal that "half of the money allocated to Iraqi Kurdistan never reached us, thanks to bureaucratic obstacles erected in Baghdad and supported by U.N. Plaza. ... We could not pay a single teacher or doctor with this money, while oil-for-food largess went to Uday Hussein's National Olympic Committee."

U.N. Under Secretary Sevan admits that the French bank BNP Paribas was chosen to issue letters of credit to most of the favored suppliers, but brands as "inaccuracies" charges by Rosett and me of secrecy. He cites a hundred audits in five years. But details of which companies in what countries got how much -- that's not public.

The U.S. has a seat on the "611 committee," which supposedly oversees this $12 billion bureaucratic bonanza. Its reports should be available to Congress; Henry Hyde, the House's International Affairs chairman, is looking into that. Sen. Arlen Specter of Senate Appropriations wrote to Powell on Wednesday about "reports that these funds are a slush fund," saying, "I urge the State Department to demand an accounting."

France hasn't seriously harmed the United States; we'll be friendly again. But in their hubristic drive for dominance in Europe, combined with their grubby grab for contracts, Chirac and his poodle Putin have severely damaged the United Nations.

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Posted by: mystic

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Seek4Justice
[B]http://www.timesstar.com/Stories/0,...1352262,00.html

Chirac's latest ploy stinks of blatant hypocrisy


JACQUES CHIRAC'S scheme to win French companies fat contracts in reconstructing Iraq has run into realpolitik: anti-U.S. actions have consequences.

After a decade of opposing any pressure on Saddam to obey U.N. resolutions, France reversed itself after its favorite dictator was brought down. Chirac and his new ally, Vladimir Putin, let it be known they would refuse to lift U.N. sanctions on the sale of Iraqi oil.

Last week's Chirac-Putin ultimatum: If we don't get French-Russian contracts to rebuild Iraq, then we won't let Iraq sell its oil. You suffer the casualties; we get the contracts.



Actually what a joke these people are. They choose to downgrade the coalition forces, yet they have the nerve to swtich over and want to make the money off of it? I hope the people that have been *****ing about American Corporations coming in to rebuild are reading this mess.

Why am I not surprised by this!

Why will I not be surprised when the same people that argue against America will say what a good thing this is!

I look forward to the ignorant replies this will bring!

And America is supposed to be embarrassed? Gotta love that French and Russian gov't! What a laugh!

I heard they are going to try and intervene with the UN on the oil for food situation, but I believe the U.N has already approved it! I think that is what I heard tonight.

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Posted by: dawnb

Shame on you, France.

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Posted by: dawnb

Shame on you, France. Shame on you.

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Posted by: photek

i think what's even more hilarious is the fact that so ignorant are people that they don't think about the fact that bidding on contracts would require assembling the necessary groups to oversee this and then go through official business of signing companies to projects. this would be an especially huge pain in the *** for international corps. just more time wasted. and yet, they want the coalition troops to leave as soon as possible.

YES this is how this sort of thing happens. the gov. has connections to bechtel who have been involved in middle east reconstruction projects for years. the gov. picks the most reliable company to which they have quick access. bechtel moves out. projects begin.

but no. instead, we should put together a group to establish biddings so that we can sit around for weeks while relying on soldiers and a small iraqi workforce to do all the work.

anti war crowd doesn't know what the hell they want anymore.

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Posted by: NothingSacred

FOR THEM it's the right thing to do...just like the U.S. wants to do what's in the U.S. best interests, France acting rationally would think France 1st...just like the U.S. does and try and use whatever edge they can to get what they want. It's all part of the competition for resources in the open market. The U.S. being the main WORSHIPPER of the free market, should applaud their efforts to use whatever they can to compete.

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Posted by: DaveDom

quote:
Originally posted by Seek4Justice
http://www.timesstar.com/Stories/0,...1352262,00.html

Chirac's latest ploy stinks of blatant hypocrisy


JACQUES CHIRAC'S scheme to win French companies fat contracts in reconstructing Iraq has run into realpolitik: anti-U.S. actions have consequences.
After a decade of opposing any pressure on Saddam to obey U.N. resolutions, France reversed itself after its favorite dictator was brought down. Chirac and his new ally, Vladimir Putin, let it be known they would refuse to lift U.N. sanctions on the sale of Iraqi oil.

Last week's Chirac-Putin ultimatum: If we don't get French-Russian contracts to rebuild Iraq, then we won't let Iraq sell its oil. You suffer the casualties; we get the contracts.


First the broadcasters will stop showing news from Iraq, the public will lose interest, and then the real squabbling can begin between countries. Disgusting and inevitable. I hope the Iraqis tell them all to go to hell! They are the one's that have suffered!
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Posted by: mystic

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Originally posted by DaveDom
I hope the Iraqis tell them all to go to hell! They are the one's that have suffered!


Yes Dave...they have suffered! But this was something that you and the other "peace" protesters didnt care about. Because you argued against the coalition forces going in, so you (and others) in effect, didnt care about their suffering. Why all of a sudden is their suffering such an issue?
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Posted by: DaveDom

quote:
Originally posted by mystic


Yes Dave...they have suffered! But this was something that you and the other "peace" protesters didnt care about. Because you argued against the coalition forces going in, so you (and others) in effect, didnt care about their suffering. Why all of a sudden is their suffering such an issue?


The suffering didn't stop when America started bombing and the suffering hasn't stopped now. The killing hasn't stopped and the Iraqis are hardly going to calm down while they are still being killed.

Countries squabbling about who does what is just plain obscene. The UK is starting to argue that they are not getting any contracts. I don't give a sh!t who gets the contracts anymore.
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Posted by: mystic

quote:
Originally posted by DaveDom


The suffering didn't stop when America started bombing and the suffering hasn't stopped now. The killing hasn't stopped and the Iraqis are hardly going to calm down while they are still being killed.

Countries squabbling about who does what is just plain obscene. The UK is starting to argue that they are not getting any contracts. I don't give a sh!t who gets the contracts anymore.


I never cared about that! The only reason I ever stated anything is because of the constant badgering over the US wanting to come in with corporations to build thus making billions of dollars. Arent you one of the ones that said that the US is the only one that wanted to make money from this? I believe it has been stated by all the countries involved, at least Bush and Blair, that they would all help in the rebuilding. Overall I could care less who gets contracts, but I just want them to rebuild...I dont care who does it! Perhaps you dont care about the contracts anymore is because you have found that there are other countries out there making complete asses out of themselves now because of this. France, Russia, among others. Yes I agree its a joke!

The suffering was by far worse before THE COALITION started bombing...(I wish you would stop saying America...you have to know by now that this was NOT only America).

The killing hasnt stopped? Who is being killed....the militants that keep shooting at the forces?

So you would rather the innocents die from the hands of Saddam rather than the militants that supported him. Hmmmm....interesting!
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Posted by: mystic

Dave,

Let me ask you this....

Now that it is done and since there is no turning back. What do you think should be done? You say that they will not be free as long as forces are still there.

Let me put it to you this way....

The forces decide to leave, nothing is accomplished as far as rebuilding or new gov't, but they decide to make the anti war people happy and they leave. What happens to the Iraqi's? Who helps them rebuild? We should just hand the rebuilding money to who? Everyone know that the iraqi's do not have the resources to do it themselves. Who takes over the gov't? Who makes the ultimate decision because no one is there to do that right now.

Just curious to hear what you have to say.

I mean we can still argue about the war over and over but whats the point? Its done.....so what do you feel should happen next?

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Posted by: photek

quote:
Originally posted by mystic
Dave,

Let me ask you this....

Now that it is done and since there is no turning back. What do you think should be done? You say that they will not be free as long as forces are still there.

Let me put it to you this way....

The forces decide to leave, nothing is accomplished as far as rebuilding or new gov't, but they decide to make the anti war people happy and they leave. What happens to the Iraqi's? Who helps them rebuild? We should just hand the rebuilding money to who? Everyone know that the iraqi's do not have the resources to do it themselves. Who takes over the gov't? Who makes the ultimate decision because no one is there to do that right now.

Just curious to hear what you have to say.

I mean we can still argue about the war over and over but whats the point? Its done.....so what do you feel should happen next?


mystic don't even pay any mind to the insane, idealistic ******** notion that every coalition troop should up and leave. it's beyond stupid.

yea, they'll just get and up and leave. fantastic idea. i mean does this show any presence of common sense, at all?

well now the anti-war crowd have a scapegoat for that. they say, 'they can be replaced with u.n military.'

of course, i start asking them what the 'u.n military' has ever accomplished or talk about a track record, and everyone is silent.

this is not even an argument point. if you think pulling all the coalition troops out of iraq at this point would be beneficial, you're wrong. it's not a question of opinion.
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Posted by: mystic

quote:
Originally posted by photek


mystic don't even pay any mind to the insane, idealistic ******** notion that every coalition troop should up and leave. it's beyond stupid.

yea, they'll just get and up and leave. fantastic idea. i mean does this show any presence of common sense, at all?

well now the anti-war crowd have a scapegoat for that. they say, 'they can be replaced with u.n military.'

of course, i start asking them what the 'u.n military' has ever accomplished or talk about a track record, and everyone is silent.

this is not even an argument point. if you think pulling all the coalition troops out of iraq at this point would be beneficial, you're wrong. it's not a question of opinion.


I know....sometimes I like to ask them questions to hear what sort of stupid remarks I will get. Usually they skirt it altogether or they answer it in a way that is.....well Im usually confused over their answers because they make no sense. He has just suggested it so many times...I thought I would ask.

I think Im more stunned at this point, I hear there arguments, and lately I havent been replying as much, because I hate people who argue the wrongs about something, but cannot give me a solution that would have worked better. Its a joke!
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Posted by: mystic

quote:
Originally posted by photek


mystic don't even pay any mind to the insane, idealistic ******** notion that every coalition troop should up and leave. it's beyond stupid.

yea, they'll just get and up and leave. fantastic idea. i mean does this show any presence of common sense, at all?

well now the anti-war crowd have a scapegoat for that. they say, 'they can be replaced with u.n military.'

of course, i start asking them what the 'u.n military' has ever accomplished or talk about a track record, and everyone is silent.

this is not even an argument point. if you think pulling all the coalition troops out of iraq at this point would be beneficial, you're wrong. it's not a question of opinion.


I know....sometimes I like to ask them questions to hear what sort of stupid remarks I will get. Usually they skirt it altogether or they answer it in a way that is.....well Im usually confused over their answers because they make no sense. He has just suggested it so many times...I thought I would ask.

I think Im more stunned at this point, I hear there arguments, and lately I havent been replying as much, because I hate people who argue the wrongs about something, but cannot give me a solution that would have worked better. Its a joke!

my replies so far....

Frenchfries...need more time, bush bashing. No solid answers.

Dave.....the western rich stick it to the poor. America runs the world bank and its their fault that everyone in the world is poor...(?) still in question about how this applies to Iraq...but.....he also states people should be equal (I guess that doesnt apply to the Iraqi people, for he still thinks they were better off with Saddam...mmmmmK.

Vespi/Fin......Not quite sure at all what his babbling was about. he lost me with his translation of English...so not quite sure about him yet...but I do know it never made any sense.

Search4truth....argues with news articles and hardly ever replies, BUT when he does...he replies with....you got it....another news article! (my goodness)....

so it was just a straight out question...I wasnt figuring on getting a rational answer though. The UN....is a joke. Everyone knows that, even them...so that goes without saying!
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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

quote:
Originally posted by Seek4Justice
http://www.timesstar.com/Stories/0,...1352262,00.html

Chirac's latest ploy stinks of blatant hypocrisy


JACQUES CHIRAC'S scheme to win French companies fat contracts in reconstructing Iraq has run into realpolitik: anti-U.S. actions have consequences.
After a decade of opposing any pressure on Saddam to obey U.N. resolutions, France reversed itself after its favorite dictator was brought down. Chirac and his new ally, Vladimir Putin, let it be known they would refuse to lift U.N. sanctions on the sale of Iraqi oil.

Last week's Chirac-Putin ultimatum: If we don't get French-Russian contracts to rebuild Iraq, then we won't let Iraq sell its oil. You suffer the casualties; we get the contracts.



That sounds about right - I think we suffered casualties for the French about 70 years ago didn't we?
we financed THE FRENCH nam campaign by 80 percent?


hmm - I know a french guy at my work that said he "no longer claimed to be french" when he found out what they did to the WWI graves. That really hurt their Statis - even among people from France.
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Posted by: DaveDom

quote:
Originally posted by mystic
Dave.....the western rich stick it to the poor. America runs the world bank and its their fault that everyone in the world is poor...(?) still in question about how this applies to Iraq...but.....he also states people should be equal (I guess that doesnt apply to the Iraqi people, for he still thinks they were better off with Saddam...mmmmmK.


mystic.....the western elite truely do deserve to rule the world and do what they want, where they want, to anyone they want, because we are the only true path to righteous glory and enlightenment and anyone who disagrees or makes us angry will be punished either through bombing or sanctions.

Yes I know America supported Saddam when he was torturing and raping and killing peole. We even sent assistant US secretary of state James Kelly over to Iraq to let him know what a good job he was doing in the Middle East a year after he'd murdered 5000 kurds - but that was before he started messing with our oil supply in Kuwait.
-mystic
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Posted by: dvader

quote:
Originally posted by Seek4Justice
http://www.timesstar.com/Stories/0,...1352262,00.html

Chirac's latest ploy stinks of blatant hypocrisy


JACQUES CHIRAC'S scheme to win French companies fat contracts in reconstructing Iraq has run into realpolitik: anti-U.S. actions have consequences.
After a decade of opposing any pressure on Saddam to obey U.N. resolutions, France reversed itself after its favorite dictator was brought down. Chirac and his new ally, Vladimir Putin, let it be known they would refuse to lift U.N. sanctions on the sale of Iraqi oil.

Last week's Chirac-Putin ultimatum: If we don't get French-Russian contracts to rebuild Iraq, then we won't let Iraq sell its oil. You suffer the casualties; we get the contracts.

France and Russia also want to keep under U.N. control the currently permitted sale of Iraqi oil, ostensibly to buy food and medicine for a majority of Iraqis. That's because the oil-for-food bureaucracy headed by Benon Sevan let Saddam steer billions in banking and commercial business to Paris, Moscow and Damascus.

The blatant hypocrisy of all this created an op-ed firestorm. In The Times, Claudia Rosett exposed the secrecy of the oil-for-food boondoggle, manipulated by Saddam to favor Security Council supporters. Charles Krauthammer in the Washington Post excoriated Chirac's brazen flip-flop of opposing sanctions on Saddam and then insisting they be imposed on post-Saddam Iraq. My own tirade appeared in the International Herald Tribune, read in Paris by Quai d'Orsay's would-be Talleyrands.

As France appeared to be taking the moral low ground, Security Council diplomats became uncomfortable. Then France appeared to have been struck by sweet reason. Instead of ending sanctions on a regime that no longer existed, France floated a proposal merely suspending sanctions until the Security Council decides that the new post-Saddam Iraq is not making weapons of mass destruction.

Some compromise. That neat trick is designed to force the United States into gaining the U.N. inspectors' approval before sanctions are ended. It would keep a heavy U.N. foot on Iraqi pipelines and keep France in the reconstruction contracts business. Suspension would put the emerging Iraq in a class with Libya, still suspended after its downing of Pan Am 103.

Fortunately, Colin Powell is not about to be sandbagged again. The State Department spent Wednesday preparing a U.N. resolution to decisively end, not merely suspend, economic sanctions on Iraq. If carefully crafted, then it should contain language similar to that of the oil-for-food resolution. That would guarantee that proceeds from future oil sales held in trust for the interim Iraqi authority would be immune from attachment by previous claimants.

In plain language, that means that sales of Iraqi oil sold starting now would be for rebuilding the nation, and could not be snatched by France and Russia to pay Saddam's old arms debts. Chirac and Putin won't like that a bit. Would either of them veto the will of a Security Council majority and stand before the Arab world as greedy obstructionists? Let's see.

Planners of the trust fund flowing from the end of sanctions should draw lessons from the Saddam-dominated, secretive U.N. oil-for-food mess. Barham Salih, a Kurdish leader, told the Wall Street Journal that "half of the money allocated to Iraqi Kurdistan never reached us, thanks to bureaucratic obstacles erected in Baghdad and supported by U.N. Plaza. ... We could not pay a single teacher or doctor with this money, while oil-for-food largess went to Uday Hussein's National Olympic Committee."

U.N. Under Secretary Sevan admits that the French bank BNP Paribas was chosen to issue letters of credit to most of the favored suppliers, but brands as "inaccuracies" charges by Rosett and me of secrecy. He cites a hundred audits in five years. But details of which companies in what countries got how much -- that's not public.

The U.S. has a seat on the "611 committee," which supposedly oversees this $12 billion bureaucratic bonanza. Its reports should be available to Congress; Henry Hyde, the House's International Affairs chairman, is looking into that. Sen. Arlen Specter of Senate Appropriations wrote to Powell on Wednesday about "reports that these funds are a slush fund," saying, "I urge the State Department to demand an accounting."

France hasn't seriously harmed the United States; we'll be friendly again. But in their hubristic drive for dominance in Europe, combined with their grubby grab for contracts, Chirac and his poodle Putin have severely damaged the United Nations.



I don't think they'll be any warming of feelings towards France for a long long time.
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Posted by: Americaaah

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Originally posted by DaveDom


Yes I know America supported Saddam when he was torturing and raping and killing peole. We even sent assistant US secretary of state James Kelly over to Iraq to let him know what a good job he was doing in the Middle East a year after he'd murdered 5000 kurds - but that was before he started messing with our oil supply in Kuwait.
-mystic


Yes, yes, DaveDUMB. Kelly did more than shake hands with the Dictator—he went from behind while whispering in Saddam's ear, telling him: 'ohhh, what a good job you are doing murdering Kurds.' Kelly then had the common courtesy for a reach-around. But you are right, that was well before the actual 'climax' of U.S. commitment to liberate an Iraqi-invaded Kwait. (Are you protesting that war too, DaveDUMB?) You sure you're not French, DaveDUMB? You seem to have APPEASEMENT tattooed all over your a**.



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