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Posted by: Search4Truth

Revealed: How the road to war was paved with lies
Intelligence agencies accuse Bush and Blair of distorting and fabricating evidence in rush to war


27 April 2003

The case for invading Iraq to remove its weapons of mass destruction was based on selective use of intelligence, exaggeration, use of sources known to be discredited and outright fabrication, The Independent on Sunday can reveal.

A high-level UK source said last night that intelligence agencies on both sides of the Atlantic were furious that briefings they gave political leaders were distorted in the rush to war with Iraq. "They ignored intelligence assessments which said Iraq was not a threat," the source said. Quoting an editorial in a Middle East newspaper which said, "Washington has to prove its case. If it does not, the world will for ever believe that it paved the road to war with lies", he added: "You can draw your own conclusions."

UN inspectors who left Iraq just before the war started were searching for four categories of weapons: nuclear, chemical, biological and missiles capable of flying beyond a range of 93 miles. They found ample evidence that Iraq was not co-operating, but none to support British and American assertions that Saddam Hussein's regime posed an imminent threat to the world.

On nuclear weapons, the British Government claimed that the former regime sought uranium feed material from the government of Niger in west Africa. This was based on letters later described by the International Atomic Energy Agency as crude forgeries.

On chemical weapons, a CIA report on the likelihood that Saddam would use weapons of mass destruction was partially declassified. The parts released were those which made it appear that the danger was high; only after pressure from Senator Bob Graham, head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, was the whole report declassified, including the conclusion that the chances of Iraq using chemical weapons were "very low" for the "foreseeable future".

On biological weapons, the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, told the UN Security Council in February that the former regime had up to 18 mobile laboratories. He attributed the information to "defectors" from Iraq, without saying that their claims – including one of a "secret biological laboratory beneath the Saddam Hussein hospital in central Baghdad" – had repeatedly been disproved by UN weapons inspectors.

On missiles, Iraq accepted UN demands to destroy its al-Samoud weapons, despite disputing claims that they exceeded the permitted range. No banned Scud missiles were found before or since, but last week the Secretary of State for Defence, Geoff Hoon, suggested Scuds had been fired during the war. There is no proof any were in fact Scuds.

Some American officials have all but conceded that the weapons of mass destruction campaign was simply a means to an end – a "global show of American power and democracy", as ABC News in the US put it. "We were not lying," it was told by one official. "But it was just a matter of emphasis." American and British teams claim they are scouring Iraq in search of definitive evidence but none has so far been found, even though the sites considered most promising have been searched, and senior figures such as Tariq Aziz, the former Deputy Prime Minister, intelligence chiefs and the man believed to be in charge of Iraq's chemical weapons programme are in custody.

Robin Cook, who as Foreign Secretary would have received high-level security briefings, said last week that "it was difficult to believe that Saddam had the capacity to hit us". Mr Cook resigned from the Government on the eve of war, but was still in the Cabinet as Leader of the House when it released highly contentious dossiers to bolster its case.

One report released last autumn by Tony Blair said that Iraq could deploy chemical and biological weapons within 45 minutes, but last week Mr Hoon said that such weapons might have escaped detection because they had been dismantled and buried. A later Downing Street "intelligence" dossier was shown to have been largely plagiarised from three articles in academic publications. "You cannot just cherry-pick evidence that suits your case and ignore the rest. It is a cardinal rule of intelligence," said one aggrieved officer. "Yet that is what the PM is doing." Another said: "What we have is a few strands of highly circumstantial evidence, and to justify an attack on Iraq it is being presented as a cast-iron case. That really is not good enough."

Glen Rangwala, the Cambridge University analyst who first pointed out Downing Street's plagiarism, said ministers had claimed before the war to have information which could not be disclosed because agents in Iraq would be endangered. "That doesn't apply any more, but they haven't come up with the evidence," he said. "They lack credibility."

Mr Rangwala said much of the information on WMDs had come from Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress (INC), which received Pentagon money for intelligence-gathering. "The INC saw the demand, and provided what was needed," he said. "The implication is that they polluted the whole US intelligence effort."

Facing calls for proof of their allegations, senior members of both the US and British governments are suggesting that so-called WMDs were destroyed after the departure of UN inspectors on the eve of war – a possibility raised by President George Bush for the first time on Thursday.

This in itself, however, appears to be an example of what the chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix called "shaky intelligence". An Iraqi scientist, writing under a pseudonym, said in a note slipped to a driver in a US convoy that he had proof information was kept from the inspectors, and that Iraqi officials had destroyed chemical weapons just before the war.

Other explanations for the failure to find WMDs include the possibility that they might have been smuggled to Syria, or so well hidden that they could take months, even years, to find. But last week it emerged that two of four American mobile teams in Iraq had been switched from looking for WMDs to other tasks, though three new teams from less specialised units were said to have been assigned to the quest for "unconventional weapons" – the less emotive term which is now preferred.

Mr Powell and Mr Bush both repeated last week that Iraq had WMDs. But one official said privately that "in the end, history and the American people will judge the US not by whether its officials found canisters of poison gas or vials of some biological agent [but] by whether this war marked the beginning of the end for the terrorists who hate America".

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Posted by: photek

and here's another great thread by search, where he posts something he found on a random website.

ok, keep going search. let's see how many of these you can come up with over the next week. i'll start counting today

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Posted by: Search4Truth

quote:
Originally posted by photek

ok, keep going search. let's see how many of these you can come up with over the next week. i'll start counting today



Its about time you started doing something productive in this forum
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Posted by: mystic

quote:
Originally posted by Search4Truth



Its about time you started doing something productive in this forum


Forgive me if I'm wrong....but I believe that is what he is saying about you....and by the way I agree with him. So far you have managed to sink into the lowest of depths and come up with nothing of any substance.....

Keep trying...One day you might manage to capture our attention with something substantial!
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Posted by: photek

quote:
Originally posted by Search4Truth



Its about time you started doing something productive in this forum


....um...you cannot be serious.

lolololol.

every, single, DAY you post these articles. NO mention of where they came from. all a bunch of obviously biased crap. and the WHOLE POST IS THE ARTICLE. NONE OF YOUR OWN TEXT, EVER.

I SHOULD DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Posted by: Search4Truth

you heard me the first time
and I thank you for the advice, I will put a URL to every article I paste from now on in the forum

whats productive in your opinion
Reiterating what you just heard on fox news

get your nose of george bushes a-s-s photek

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Posted by: photek

quote:
Originally posted by Search4Truth
you heard me the first time
and I thank you for the advice, I will put a URL to every article I paste from now on in the forum

whats productive in your opinion
Reiterating what you just heard on fox news

get your nose of george bushes a-s-s photek


hahahaha. yes. fox news. that's where i get my info from. lol

you know very well i supply reliable sources. go look at my new thread, and check every single other of my threads.

anyway, i'am sorry to embarrass you by pointing out the fact that you give no sources and just spit out a bunch of crap, but this is the only thing i have seen from you consistently since i came here.

no presentation of both sides.

no sources.

no opinion unless you're replying to me in some thread telling me i'am a bush lover.

lol

you think you can really go around calling everyone who is pro-conflict as kissing bush's ***?

sorry to break it to you, but iam faaaar from bush lover. haha very far. check my threads around here you'll see how i've chosen to speak about him.

so don't give me any of this bush lover crap. lol. if i was an american, i would be called a bush lover. i'am russian, grew up most of my life in siberia, then in england, and have spent the least amount of years in the u.s, NOT supporting bush until his decision to engage in conflict [even though he has err'd in a fair number of aspects]...and of course iam still a bush lover.

sigh. i guess i'll never really be able to prove that i'am the biggest non-america non-bush kissing *** person here. but it won't make a difference, so maybe i'll stop bothering.

search don't get all defensive because i called you on your b.s you even admit you don't provide any sources. until you level up on your knowledge of EVERYTHING that's going on and grow the balls to present BOTH sides of the story and not be afraid to correct your fellow anti-war people for saying idiotic things, then you come here and talk.

until then....
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Posted by: mystic

quote:
Originally posted by Search4Truth
you heard me the first time
and I thank you for the advice, I will put a URL to every article I paste from now on in the forum

whats productive in your opinion
Reiterating what you just heard on fox news


What is productive about our opinion....? Reiterating what we heard on Fox news?

Are you kidding???????

Where exactly do you go to form your opinions? I know....the news!! Oh and before I forget I guess you also go to those random websites that only agree with your nonsense!

See.....here is how it goes.....we can read...and we do. We read about the good and the bad and we form our own opinions...just as you do..It's no different!


Okay...I guess you have to go to a new game plan now since that dense remark didn't work!
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Posted by: nowar

And I guess you - photek and mystic - should make your comments also on those articles which go in the same way of your thinking .....

I didn't saw any (even stupid one) comments on those about WMDs found, links to Al-Qaeda, ....

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Posted by: photek

quote:
Originally posted by nowar
And I guess you - photek and mystic - should make your comments also on those articles which go in the same way of your thinking .....

I didn't saw any (even stupid one) comments on those about WMDs found, links to Al-Qaeda, ....


hahaha here you are again, trying to defend someone you know is making your stance look absolutely stupid.

well, that's very nice of you defending other people for them nowar, but i think search can answer to himself.

and, the reason that i have not yet made comments about the links to al-quaeda is because there's still some apprehension about exactly what those documents said.

don't worry your little self though, i'll be on top of this as soon as there's solid proof.

and you will kneel before my wrath.
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Posted by: photek

and also, that's the reason my link to the al-queda links is 'possible links.'

it would be so, so nice if some of you could pay that much attention to what you say. but, that's asking too much i guess.

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Posted by: nowar

and the question is:

quote:
and how about the paperwork that describes al-quaeda operatives meeting with baghdad officials?


and the answer is:

quote:
you know very well i supply reliable sources. go look at my new thread, and check every single other of my threads.


when others give their reliable source, it's crap but yours are the reliable one

you know better then anyone what's going on there as in Afghanistan, you are the master photek ........ sorry to bother you with our poor arguments ..... master



and when I say "time will tell" ...... it's for sure not because I'm wrong

it's only because what we are saying - I said we, meaning you included - will be verified later .....

but you are so sure about what you think that whatever other people say you reply with stupidity .....
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Posted by: nowar

oops,

why are you still there if what we post are craps, biased and irrelevant compared to what you post, grand master ?

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Posted by: nowar

to show us the light ?

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