8 year old Iraqi boy will be treated in Israel |
| Posted by: Anti-Jihad | | Just an example of both Coalition's and Israel's humanity towards the Iraqi people despite the fact that Israel is Iraq's most hated enemy.
The American army will transfer within the next few days an 8 year old Iraqi boy to the hospital "Hadasa Ein-Kerem" in Israel. He was injured while American army was bombing his neighborhood. He will be transferred to Israel because the American hospital where the boy was treated will be dismantled.
The boy suffers from severe burns.
As always, such things are often ignored by the media. The media controls people by showing them only what it likes to show them. In the end, the leaders and the governments are only PARTIALLY to blame, the media that often fails to show both sides of the story and be neutral has a part in causing civilian's deaths, escalation of conflicts and hatred among people, because whether we want it or not, the media has a big influence on us. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Ireland | |
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Originally posted by Anti-Jihad
Just an example of both Coalition's and Israel's humanity towards the Iraqi people despite the fact that Israel is Iraq's most hated enemy.
The American army will transfer within the next few days an 8 year old Iraqi boy to the hospital "Hadasa Ein-Kerem" in Israel. He was injured while American army was bombing his neighborhood. He will be transferred to Israel because the American hospital where the boy was treated will be dismantled.
The boy suffers from severe burns.
As always, such things are often ignored by the media. The media controls people by showing them only what it likes to show them. In the end, the leaders and the governments are only PARTIALLY to blame, the media that often fails to show both sides of the story and be neutral has a part in causing civilian's deaths, escalation of conflicts and hatred among people, because whether we want it or not, the media has a big influence on us. |
Your final point is a good one but the partiality of the media has to all purposes aided the coalition not hinder it. We live in the age of information where we can access vaults of information in seconds..the ability to make your own mind up is in your own hands. As for your take on humanity your obsevations are simple minded. The boy's neighbourhood was bombed by the U.S...is this a legitimate target? What about the humanity of 12 years of sanctions, the use of depleted uranium and cluster bombs in populated areas, the deliberate bombing of water and sewage systems in Iraq which violated article 54 of the Geneva convention, what about the humanity of using Apache helicoters and warplanes to bomb refugee camps in Palestine?...Your take on humanity is selective but then you are not looking objectively are you?
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| Posted by: Anti-Jihad | | I am aware that during war both sides do mistakes, but I didn't post this thread to discuss them. What you do is steer away from the subject. If I expressed myself incorrectly thus making you miss the main subject, excuse me.
By my previous post, I didn't imply that the Coalition Forces are perfect, that the media lies about their acts or only shows their bad side.
I'm here to discuss what media does NOT show even though it has the information.
For example, a CNN reporter admitted that CNN was hiding negative information regarding Iraq's military and their actions but was afraid to report it to the world because Iraq might have kicked them out of the country.
Another point I wanted to make in this thread is that Israel is not a country of civilian killers like many see it, that the media tends to ignore and not to report positive information regarding Israel and its relations with the Palestinians but mostly (or only) negative. It also tends to ignore some negative information regarding Palestinians' actions therefore making Israel look hostile in the eyes of many. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: MaRyJaNe | | Anti-Jhiad thanks for the wonderful story. I agree, I think the news should focus more on what good has come and will continue come out of this war. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nowar | |
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| Another point I wanted to make in this thread is that Israel is not a country of civilian killers like many see it |
I think that it's the case of the majority of citizens from any country ..... but those who are blamed, hatred are the government ..... unfortunately it's always the citizens who pay the price ........
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| Posted by: Anti-Jihad | | Yes, I'll have to agree with both of you.
A government is not always to blame. It only makes decisions. It is represented and supported by the most, at least in the beginning. There will always be people who think one and other people who think the other, no matter what decision the government chooses, the other people who believe in a different way/solution will hate the government (for not going the other way - their way)
So there's no reason to blame the government, the president and others for doing something opposite to one's opinion. If I ask you whether you'd want to be a president of the US you would say 'hell no!' but in the end someone stands up for its people and says: 'if no one will rule this country, it will collapse. I must do this and be the victim of hatred among many and a leader loved among others'. I believe one needs a lot of bravery to take such a big responsibility on his shoulders. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: photek | |
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Originally posted by Ireland
Your final point is a good one but the partiality of the media has to all purposes aided the coalition not hinder it. We live in the age of information where we can access vaults of information in seconds..the ability to make your own mind up is in your own hands. As for your take on humanity your obsevations are simple minded. The boy's neighbourhood was bombed by the U.S...is this a legitimate target? What about the humanity of 12 years of sanctions, the use of depleted uranium and cluster bombs in populated areas, the deliberate bombing of water and sewage systems in Iraq which violated article 54 of the Geneva convention, what about the humanity of using Apache helicoters and warplanes to bomb refugee camps in Palestine?...Your take on humanity is selective but then you are not looking objectively are you? |
please ireland. the partiality of the media has run to the extreme both ways.
have you been following up on cnn's recent little adventures?
go cnn
and how about gallaway
go gallaway
yea, and what about the 12 years of sanctions? are you completely oblivious to the fact that u.n had it's own sanctions against iraq? and, according to you, the u.s should have stayed out and allowed for more decades of absolutely no progress as well as the continuation of the sanctions?
now the sanctions will be lifted, so please stop bringing that up as if it supports any anti-war stance.
i mean you yourself don't ever look at both sides. 'the boy's neighbourhood god bombed...' and what about the coalition marines/soldiers/medical staff who have worked to save the lives of those who were hit not only by their own bombs but those maimed by iraqi military? remember the crowd who was shot at with rpg's and ak's as they were trying to cross the bridge in nasariyah? and what they've done to give medical service to iraqi soldiers when those same soldiers were shooting at them moments before? granted, many of these soldiers were forced to fight, hence the coalition allowing many of them to simply lay down their arms and go home, as well as release of p.o.w's
come on, every time you post it's 'u.s sanctions' or 'u.s did this/that.' no mention of 'the coalition' which i should remind you consists not only of america.
how many times do i have to make this point? hahaha i mean everyone who speaks of the coalition as 'the u.s' is just hurting themselves every single time they post.
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| Posted by: mystic | |
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Originally posted by photek
come on, every time you post it's 'u.s sanctions' or 'u.s did this/that.' no mention of 'the coalition' which i should remind you consists not only of america.
how many times do i have to make this point? hahaha i mean everyone who speaks of the coalition as 'the u.s' is just hurting themselves every single time they post. |
Thank you! A statement that FINALLY makes some sense! I am getting so tired of people talking mainly about the U.S., when it is obvious that the coalition includes more than just America!
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| Posted by: Ireland | |
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Originally posted by photek
yea, and what about the 12 years of sanctions? are you completely oblivious to the fact that u.n had it's own sanctions against iraq? and, according to you, the u.s should have stayed out and allowed for more decades of absolutely no progress as well as the continuation of the sanctions?
now the sanctions will be lifted, so please stop bringing that up as if it supports any anti-war stance.
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It was the U.S who maintained the continuing implementation of the sanctions. During the twelve years a number of nations as well as U.N staff tried to have the sanctions dropped but the U.S used its Veto to prevent this from occuring, even though it was widely recognised not least by Madeline Albright, that the sanctions were affecting the civilian population of Iraq. Now that the "coalition forces" (i'll come to that in a minute) are occupying Iraq, the U.S wants the sanctions lifted so that U.S construction firms like Betchel (who were awarder a $680 million dollar contract to repair water and sewage systems that the U.S destroyed), and Haliburton can be allowed to operate in Iraq.
As for your repeated "correction" to the use of U.S as opposed to coalition, i'll say this. Throughout the last few years the U.S has used this term and bargained for support from other nations to use this term because using unilateral action that concerns itself with the national interests of one nation, disregarding international concerns, tends to come across as agressive rather than "necessary". The "coalition" is not much of a coalition at all, I must remind you that Ireland is listed on George W. Bush's list of the coalition of the willing because the Taoiseach (Irish P.M/President) has allowed U.S forces to refuel at Shannon Airport much to the disgust and anger of the Irish people. We are "supposed" to be a nuetral country and our nuetrality has been permanently damaged by this action, after all if we are nuetral the offer should have extended to the Iraqi airforce to do the same or even better not allow any force to land here. This coalition is built upon economic squeezing or reminders of the economic and political hazards of non-compliance...see Turkey for example. The real coalition is built up of U.S, U.K and to a lesser extent Spain. However this action is mandated and controlled by U.S interests which in turn will generate profits from which U.K+Spain will also benifit. I implore you to read "Project for the New American Century" which outlines U.S intentions in the global theatre, its authors now firmly part of the defense board outline how the U.S will dominate the economic and military world through the implementation of a forcefull foreign policy.
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| Posted by: DaveDom | |
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Originally posted by mystic
Thank you! A statement that FINALLY makes some sense! I am getting so tired of people talking mainly about the U.S., when it is obvious that the coalition includes more than just America! |
don't get so defensive, of course it's a coalition - the US tells Britain to jump and and the UK says how high. And the rest of the 500 countries that are part of the coalition of the willing are hoping around like bunnies.
It's a US war - don't kid yourself.
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| Posted by: DaveDom | | Then again I might underestimate Britain's role in all this. We've been plundering and shaping the world for centuries and are probably much better (certainly in diplomatic terms we are) than the US. So maybe we are like your mentors or something 
Oh, then again, nah, that's bullsh!t - this is Americas world now. Go get em tiger!! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Ireland | |
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Originally posted by Anti-Jihad
Just an example of both Coalition's and Israel's humanity towards the Iraqi people despite the fact that Israel is Iraq's most hated enemy.
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That was the statement you made and the one that I reacted to. You addressed the "humanity" of U.S/Israel forces towards "the Iraqi people"... to back this up you refered to one case involving one child, who was himself a victim of U.S military action. Your point was not acurate and unrepresentational of the actualty of the situation in Iraq. Is this the point you are correcting?
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| Posted by: DaveDom | |
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Originally posted by Ireland
That was the statement you made and the one that I reacted to. You addressed the "humanity" of U.S/Israel forces towards "the Iraqi people"... to back this up you refered to one case involving one child, who was himself a victim of U.S military action. Your point was not acurate and unrepresentational of the actualty of the situation in Iraq. Is this the point you are correcting? |
Since when did actualities get in the way of a good story? I hate taking a cynical view on stuff like this because we are talking about real suffering here but sometimes you hear these stories and you think this is like giving to charity and then making sure everyone knows about it.
It is unrepresentative and if we in the west really knew the truth we'd all be out on the streets demanding action, but it may do good. Anything that stops the rot in Israel has to be good. So good luck to the kid, whatever the reason he's in the news.
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| Posted by: mystic | |
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Originally posted by DaveDom
don't get so defensive, of course it's a coalition - the US tells Britain to jump and and the UK says how high. And the rest of the 500 countries that are part of the coalition of the willing are hoping around like bunnies.
It's a US war - don't kid yourself. |
Please....now we are puppetmasters? Dave....come up with something more original. You are getting BORING!
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| Posted by: DaveDom | |
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Originally posted by mystic
Please....now we are puppetmasters? Dave....come up with something more original. You are getting BORING! |
Feel free to bring up something original youself. I'm sure it's been said before but so what... the US is not so much a puppet master, more a coercive bully or underhand briber. Few coutries can stand up to America's economic might so it was a pleasant surprise to see Turkey give the US the finger.
I'm sure when Rummie find's the time, suitable economic punishment will be forthcoming towards Turkey.
What prize the UK will get for supporting the US I do not know, Rummie's ear possibly? Blair wishes!
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| Posted by: Anti-Jihad | |
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Originally posted by Ireland
That was the statement you made and the one that I reacted to. You addressed the "humanity" of U.S/Israel forces towards "the Iraqi people"... to back this up you refered to one case involving one child, who was himself a victim of U.S military action. Your point was not acurate and unrepresentational of the actualty of the situation in Iraq. Is this the point you are correcting? |
Yes, that's exactly why I said that I may have not expressed myself entirely correctly. The main point of my post was in the last paragraph, not the first, my mistake.
But now it's too late.  because of that small paragraph, a big argument regarding the Coalition, its presence in Iraq and US dominance over the world has begun.
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| Posted by: Ireland | |
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Originally posted by Anti-Jihad
Just an example of both Coalition's and Israel's humanity towards the Iraqi people despite the fact that Israel is Iraq's most hated enemy.
The American army will transfer within the next few days an 8 year old Iraqi boy to the hospital "Hadasa Ein-Kerem" in Israel. He was injured while American army was bombing his neighborhood. He will be transferred to Israel because the American hospital where the boy was treated will be dismantled.
The boy suffers from severe burns.
As always, such things are often ignored by the media. The media controls people by showing them only what it likes to show them. In the end, the leaders and the governments are only PARTIALLY to blame, the media that often fails to show both sides of the story and be neutral has a part in causing civilian's deaths, escalation of conflicts and hatred among people, because whether we want it or not, the media has a big influence on us. |
Ok then lets deal with the last paragraph. I agree totally with your points on how much influence the media has on people...I have access to CNN every day and see the partiality of their reports which tend not to deal with the now daily anti-american protests and/or the existance of the thesis, "Project of the New American century" which outlines the U.S intentions in the region. In fact I was disgusted to see repetative reporting of the "rescue" of "hero" Jessica Lynch from a hospital when there was cluster bombs dropping on Hillah killing civilians, the later was nowhere to be found on CNN. The irony being however that while this misinformation goes unchecked, the U.S claims to have the right to bomb the Iraqi media (unarmed, non combatant reporters) aswell as arabic media in both Iraq and Afghanistan ( for example: the deliberate bombing with two missiles of a house in Iraq where journalists from Al Jazeera and Abu Dahbi were staying). While this is happening, over on CNN we get to see George W. Bush making speeches to pre-selected audience members who galantly cheer and ovate ever second sentance. If their is REAL freedom of speech in the U.S, why are the voices of discontent not allowed to tackle the man who speaks for them, why are they not allowed the freedom of assembly in that very hall?
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