For the past few days I have been going crazy trying to finish my group project about the conflict between Israel and Palestine conflict for my international reations class, I went to every site that I could find, but I still couldn't find the the human point of view of all this, than I discovered this site, and I thought that I am finally getting some where. What I have read so far has made me sick, you people for some strange reason seem to be be stuck in the past, yes a lot of bad things have happened to the jews and the arabs in Israel, but don't you think its time to move towards the future. All you people seem to be justifing the murder of innocent people both jews and arabs, but saying hey they killed my great great grand daddy so its my right to bomb and shoot innocent people. Get over your past problems and look towards the future, how long will it take for you people to realize that violence and hate is a vicious cycle which will not stop untill some one says I will not participate in all these pointless and usless killing, is time to move on, find a solution in that is fair, and in the end will help to end this waste of human life.
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Sorry about my spelling mistakes I am, just be thankful I am not a English major.
Unfortunately, as long as one believe that goals will be achieved with violence, one will continue the violence. As long as one is filled with hate and was taught to believe that the other side is the enemy and should be destroyed, one will continue the violence.
Fighting violence with violence doesn't solve anything, I agree and I hope that both sides will compromise and stretch out hands towards peace.
Originally posted by Anti-Jihad Unfortunately, as long as one believe that goals will be achieved with violence, one will continue the violence. As long as one is filled with hate and was taught to believe that the other side is the enemy and should be destroyed, one will continue the violence.
Fighting violence with violence doesn't solve anything, I agree and I hope that both sides will compromise and stretch out hands towards peace.
antu-jihad, you as an israeli ought to know that israel made many attempts over the years to astablish a long lasting peace reltionship with the plasitians. but to no avail. the hardheaded palastinians no only hate, and it's them who taught the israelies to hate. hatered is a awful thing, but c'mon, war is war. one side can't just ignore it's people dying every day just for the sake of peace. that is where the ancient laws of the jungle rears it's ugly yet crucial face- he who does not know how to fight, shall not survive. I can assure you that israel doesn't want anything mote than they want peace- but before the palastinians are willing to calm down and stop this holly war, israel has to fight in order to survive. Israels' history os based on war, and as long as the arab nationg aknowledge israels' liegall right to exist, israel will know many wars, and israel will survive. I pledge you that. and you as an israel ought to know that. thank you. good day
Is a life of any man worth a hand ful of dust. Don't let being an Israely define who you are. A peice of land does not define who you are, it is what is inside that does. Live your life in peace and smile at who ever passes your way, because you might live a hundred years or you might die today, in the end all that matters is knowing that you loved and were loved in return, and to feeling to the feeling of love, a peice of land can never compare
antu-jihad, you as an israeli ought to know that israel made many attempts over the years to astablish a long lasting peace reltionship with the plasitians. but to no avail. the hardheaded palastinians no only hate, and it's them who taught the israelies to hate. hatered is a awful thing, but c'mon, war is war. one side can't just ignore it's people dying every day just for the sake of peace. that is where the ancient laws of the jungle rears it's ugly yet crucial face- he who does not know how to fight, shall not survive. I can assure you that israel doesn't want anything mote than they want peace- but before the palastinians are willing to calm down and stop this holly war, israel has to fight in order to survive. Israels' history os based on war, and as long as the arab nationg aknowledge israels' liegall right to exist, israel will know many wars, and israel will survive. I pledge you that. and you as an israel ought to know that. thank you. good day
Marcus, I was talking about the Palestinians, not the Israelis.
Peace can only be achieved if they recognize Israel's right of existence, if they value the life of Israeli citizens and understand our side. In other case, terror should be stopped at all costs. It's a lesson they should have learned a long time ago - terror cannot and will never achieve goals, any goals.
The problem is that they see it as we see the opposite of it:
They think they can stop the so-called occupation by making more terrorist acts but we think that we can stop the terrorist acts by 'occupating' more and that never ends... The other problem is, that even if the so-called occupation stops, their terror will continue because their demands are not met, only if we fully give away territories and surrender to all of their demands, only then they MAY consider peace with Israel.
I believe that once they are given a Palestinian state, no one will allow them to continue terror or try to occupy Israel. The world may be a little foolish, but not THAT foolish.
It's ALL Israel's fault. Side with the Palestinians and oppose the EVIL, APARTHEID, ROUGUE state of Israel...put this in your paper, from a natural born AMERICAN PATRIOT, who doesn't give a CRAP about Israel!!!
NothingSacred is not an American patriot. He is a Nazi.
Americans don't like this attitude and the posts here reflect that.
Palestine and Isreal are both to blame. This is the people's aguement for land and rights to be free and both sides are jeopardising their freedom. Eventually there will be no one left in either country if this keeps up.
Don't believe it Razia, There is growing annti-Israeli movement in the U.S. At universities throughout the country the strongest minded people are calling for divestiture from Israel, due to their racist policies. The Israeli lobby meanwhile is attacking their 1st Amendment rights by labeling all criticism of Israel, no matter how valid, as anti-Semitism and the feeble-minded among us, like USA1 are easily duped!
GOD BLESS AMERICA, LAND THAT I LOVE...and Israel has nothing to do with America! It simply BUYS support from congress for MONEY and VOTES provided by the Jewish lobbies, and that's why we're in this mess! Rather than being unbiased, our so-called leaders SELL their support, thereby causing this nightmare.
Originally posted by NothingSacred Don't believe it Razia, There is growing annti-Israeli movement in the U.S. At universities throughout the country the strongest minded people are calling for divestiture from Israel, due to their racist policies. The Israeli lobby meanwhile is attacking their 1st Amendment rights by labeling all criticism of Israel, no matter how valid, as anti-Semitism and the feeble-minded among us, like USA1 are easily duped!
Consider me feeble-minded also. I do not agree with you at all. You are so full of hate!
I disagree with you about the university movement. Although the movement may be true, anyone that preaches this type of hate, is not strong minded. They are weak and close minded, and it is because of this that your argument is unfounded. Thats the bottom line.
This is YOUR PROBLEM, it's absolutely NOT HATE! It's what could be called, VALID CRITICISM. Noted Pennsylvania NAZI, Rick Santorum, wants to pass a law that takes funding away from universities and professors that criticize Israel. NO MATTER how valid the criticism is!!! That's dangerous!
What? Is Israel perfect? Don't they ever do anything wrong? Criticising the nation of Israel IS VALID, just like if you criticize France or Cuba or China...There's NOTHING WRONG and NOTHING RACIST about it. If you don't agree with what they do it's valid and SHOULD BE RESPECTED... Since when did the USA or the Republicans or the Neocons get granted the right of approval over all peoples and all nations opinions!!! "F" them if they think they're going to get away with that!
Read this! If you're for this legislation, you're definately against free speech and a totalitarian, fascist extremist, and I feel sorry for you! if this law is OK, then it should also attack those at universities that criticize Palestinians or Iran or Cuba for that matter! If it only stops criticism of Israel, then it is TRULY RACIST!!!
Here are some quotes from earlier posts by NothingSared.
Make your own decision.
“I'd love to see Hezbolah get their hands on a nuke in the West Bank.”
“The reason I reply like this, is I DON'T CARE about the Jews situation back then! Whatever it was, even if they where going to die, I'd rather see them die, than see the Palestinians be inconvenienced....”
“I'd nuke Great Britain and Israel...get rid of those two and a lot of the world's problems would be solved.”
“So when are we going to BLAST THE He!! out of Israel and deal with those rotten Baztardz?...”
“Israel, Israel!!! BLAST Effin' Israel!!!”
“You are SICK! Zionism=RACISM. The sooner Israel get's driven into the sea, the better.”
FREE SPEECH, I'm just fighting racism! Israel IS NOT any more important than Angola or Chad, I just don't care about it, I DON'T want to defend it, I don't want MY TAX DOLLAR$ going to it and my criticisms of it ARE VALID. They don't deserve to be able to do anything, if other countries can't do the same. And I WILL OPPOSE ISRAEL until they are treated JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, rather than being treated in the SPECIAL WAY they are treated today.
Why don't you respond to the law that Herr Santorum and Fuhrer Bush are advocating? As a believer in "freedom" let us hear from you why it is right to exempt Israel from criticism through coercive legislation?
Originally posted by NothingSacred This is YOUR PROBLEM, it's absolutely NOT HATE!
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Originally posted by USA1 Here are some quotes from earlier posts by NothingSared.
Make your own decision.
“I'd love to see Hezbolah get their hands on a nuke in the West Bank.”
“The reason I reply like this, is I DON'T CARE about the Jews situation back then! Whatever it was, even if they where going to die, I'd rather see them die, than see the Palestinians be inconvenienced....”
“I'd nuke Great Britain and Israel...get rid of those two and a lot of the world's problems would be solved.”
“So when are we going to BLAST THE He!! out of Israel and deal with those rotten Baztardz?...”
“Israel, Israel!!! BLAST Effin' Israel!!!”
“You are SICK! Zionism=RACISM. The sooner Israel get's driven into the sea, the better.”
Not hate huh? What would you call all these quotes by you then...love? understanding? Normal? Because it certainly reads hate to me.
I suppose you have no answer for the question about Mr. Santorum's assault on our right of free speech and thought, but I guess you're among the multitudes already programmed to not ever criticize Israel...
So typical! Americans can't answer some questions, rather they try and attack the asker of the questions. It's all laid out for you right? Answering this question bothers you because the answer may be unfavorable to Israel right?
I'm still waiting? Do you accept this obvious infringement on the Bill of Rights?
Go to your local synagogue and tell them what you really think. I’m sure they would love to hear you point of view. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing.
Freedom can be abused through the complete disrespect for others. Although it’s your right, don’t be surprised if someone kicks the crap out of you for it.
Freedom of speech is allowed, incitement shouldn't be.
Also, a similar example as USA1 gave you:
Go to a neighborhood of black people and yell: I hate ni**ers and you will see what freedom of speech means to them.
I think racist speeches shouldn't count as a freedom of speech, they should be illegal in Democratic countries. After all, racism goes against the most basic and main rule of Democracy - equality of rights.
ok nothing sacred. everyone here has not only given their POV, but the reason behind it. why don't you give us [at least] one SOLID reason why you feel that the Israelis are so evil and you and your Arab buddies are so great and right?
how can you justify the evil hateful people who kill themselves in order to destroy the lives of millions of people. by millions i mean:
a) the people killed
b) the people injured
c) the friends and families of those killed and/or injured
d) those who are scared silly to board a bus for a 10 minute trip across part of Jerusalem for fear of being blown to pieces.
e) all the rest of us who weep for those victims.
and for all the rest of you who are against violence from EITHER side--is it wrong to retaliate against enemies that will continue in their blood-thirsty ways until stopped?!
I work with Jewish people and I have Jewish acquaintences, and I OPENLY TELL THEM that I support the Palestinians and blame the Israeli government for the problems, no I haven't gone to a synagogue, but if you schedule an appearance for me, I WILL! So far, NOBODY HAS KICKED MY ASS. My support of the Palestinians IS NOT IN ANY WAY racist, if it is, then your opposition to them must also be racist. We just see things differently, I see the Israeli government as the "bloodthirsty" group, and I call on the Palestinian FREEDOM FIGHTERS to never give in to THEIR tyranny.
What? Do you think they don't? I suppose that you believe that the Palestinian majority loves Israel as much as you do and that the Liberal media is keeping it from us?
1. They are an apartheid regime that descriminates based on religion as South Africa did based on skin color.
2. They execute "suspects" without a fair trial and it doesn't matter to them who might be standing next to them or in the car with them when they blast them with a missile fired from an Apache helicopter into a residential neighborhood.
3. They cross borders and attack sovereign nations without provocation.
4. They have defied numourous UN resolutions.
5. They are the #1 Ethnic Cleansers in the World, If it wasn't OK for Milosevich why is Sharon allowed to do it?
Originally posted by sones how can one argue with a man who's mind is so perversely twisted that he believes his own lies more than anyone else does?
you guys, i would highly recommend just not arguing with nothing sacred, as he titled himself quite well.
Well hold on a sec. Now I hate to defend someone as rude as Nothingsacred but his last post detailing points that you asked him to list is valid.
I myself have felt much sympathy for the Palestinians over the years.
I do believe that Israel is an apartheid state { the UN agrees too }.
All that being said though I think he is wrong about never giving in.
Do you hear me Nothingsacred? Sometimes a battle is lost and there is no going back. It will be hard for the Palestinians to accept.... but for the future of their children they MUST give up this fight. Think of the Native Americans! Are they not better off today than if they had fought to the death against the European invaders?
I know nobody ever wants to swallow their pride but how many generations need to be born in refugee camps. Their potentials almost nonexistence over a struggle that cannot be won?
They can't let the Israeli thugs walk all over them forever. At the very least they must have a state of their own. I don't care if Israel exists, as long as they can exist without having to oppress and occupy the Palestinians! If the price for their existance is that they have to keep their jack boots on the necks of the Palestinian people, for their "security", then the price is too high.
I read here about Palestinian people as if they don't deserve to live, as being the scum of the earth ... That is really racism. Don’t you people read history??!! Palestinian are the land owner and Isreal is an OCCUPATION FORCE (UN stated that long time back). will any of you (other than Israeli people) accept someone to occupy his house or land or car or any of your belonging?!!!!! Answer that for me, I am 100% that any of you (Who has dignity) will fight back with all possible way and he will declare war. So why are you denying that right for the Palestinian?!!!! At least be fair as you claim you are.
1. They are an apartheid regime that descriminates based on religion as South Africa did based on skin color.
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I do believe that Israel is an apartheid state { the UN agrees too }.
I wouldn't say so. There are only 80% of Jews in Israel (exclude the Palestinian territories)
There are Christians, Druses, Bedouins and Arabs who have a full Israeli citizenship. They have the same rights as any Israel does. In the north of the country, there are many rich Arabs. I once had a dinner in an Arabic restaurant in north Israel. The prices were high, the quality too, and the was good.
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They have defied numourous UN resolutions.
and so did the Palestinians. The killing of innocent people, crossing borders to a foreign state, kidnapping soldiers, inciting against a certain nation/country, committing lynchs, supporting terrorism, funding terrorism, and the list goes on and on.
Sorry for sounding so Pro-Israeli. Israel also has a list of avoided UN resolutions. I just never really heard anyone here and anywhere at all that Palestinians have avoided many UN resolutions
it's hard not to cross the 'borders' when in a state of constant fighting, especially when these 'borders' are defined by a foreign organization that doesn't accept Israel in it.
As for the rest 4 reasons you stated, Nothing Sacred, I will address them later as I have to go now.
It's easy for the UN to judge and impose sanctions and create resolutions but none of them has ever been in the territories and seen it with their eyes. If they do, maybe there will be more sanctions against Israel or the Palestinians, maybe some of the sanctions will be cancelled, what's sure is that their judging will be more accurate and just.
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2. They execute "suspects" without a fair trial and it doesn't matter to them who might be standing next to them or in the car with them when they blast them with a missile fired from an Apache helicopter into a residential neighborhood.
First they arrest the suspects/wanted Palestinians then they give them a fair trial, but if they resist the arrest and start shooting, there's no choice but to neutralize them. As for missiles fired from Apache helicopters - that usually happens when there's heavy resistance and soldiers are in danger. The helicopters don't deliberately kill civilians and I already explained that issue.
Think about it - you're given the information that a top wanted member is going to leave his house in central Gaza and drive in a car with other few wanted members to a meeting to discuss planning and initiating suicide bombings. You have the following choices:
1) ignore it and watch the news, hoping that your decision hasn't caused a killing of numerous civilians and wounding of many others.
2) send a military force that will most likely face resistance and cause the killing (and wounding) of Palestinians and/or IDF soldiers.
3) call an Helicopter to destroy the target and cause minimal civilian casualties.
Usually, there are few wounded pedestrians and in some cases there are killed pedestrians, it's tragic for both sides and if there was a better option, helicopters wouldn't be sent over there.
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3. They cross borders and attack sovereign nations without provocation.
Without any provocation? If you mean the 6-day war then you must know that Egypt and Syria gathered forces in the borders of Israel. Egypt asked the UN forces (between Israel and Egypt) to evacuate themselves (and they DID! when UN could have prevented the war!) the Egyptian fleet blocked Israel's south port that face the Indian ocean. Israel couldn't export and import goods as the south port was the main port. Egyptian TV broadcast Gamal Abd Al-Natser's propaganda of marching soldiers (and during the war it made the impression that the Egyptian army was winning even though it wasn't) saying that the land of Palestine is going to be returned, that the Jewish enemy is going to be crushed. Documented video showed different propaganda posters (ex. a tall and strong Egyptian soldier inflicting his knife into the head of a small and ugly Jew. Skulls with the Magen-David star on them.)
Israel knew it would be attacked from both sides very soon and it had to act, and so it did.
Same for the Lebanon war in 1982.
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5. They are the #1 Ethnic Cleansers in the World, If it wasn't OK for Milosevich why is Sharon allowed to do it?
Ethnic cleansing? Perhaps terrorist cleansing, but then the whole world does that and if Israel is #1 then it deserves much appreciation. Israel doesn't kill ALL the Palestinians. If it wanted, it could have done that 100 times for years.
I've always said and I will keep on saying this - you CAN'T hate a certain race/nation/ethnicity/country. It's simply WRONG.
You may disagree with a country's government, but in that case you shouldn't hate its people and you should highly consider straightening the facts and trying to understand why the government made such decisions before hating and opposing it.
edit: and I wasn't referring particularly to NothingSacred by the word 'you' in the last two paragraphs.
Originally posted by Anti-Jihad It's easy for the UN to judge and impose sanctions and create resolutions but none of them has ever been in the territories and seen it with their eyes. If they do, maybe there will be more sanctions against Israel or the Palestinians, maybe some of the sanctions will be cancelled, what's sure is that their judging will be more accurate and just.
There have been numerous visits to Israel/Palestine by UN representatives.. Intntl Red cross... Amnesty Intntl...etc. You already know that. you post more up to date news than anyone here. So why be misleading?
First they arrest the suspects/wanted Palestinians then they give them a fair trial, but if they resist the arrest and start shooting, there's no choice but to neutralize them.
That sounds contradictory first they apprehend ...then they encounter resistance? No they decide to go with overwhelming force and "get" Palestinian leaders..... "get" being kill or capture whichever is simplest . I mean that, do you ever hear of them negotiating a surrender...no they blow whole buildings away and use local children as human shields . How you might ask? I have read of IDF grabbing teenagers { Palestinians } off the street and making them deliver any messages they might have at gun point or more often just verifying that so and so are at the location. This callously endangers the lives of these children who get caught in crossfire!
As for missiles fired from Apache helicopters - that usually happens when there's heavy resistance and soldiers are in danger. The helicopters don't deliberately kill civilians and I already explained that issue.
The point isn't whether they deliberately target civilians. It is that they do not deliberately avoid targeting civilians.
Think about it - you're given the information that a top wanted member is going to leave his house in central Gaza and drive in a car with other few wanted members to a meeting to discuss planning and initiating suicide bombings. You have the following choices:
1) ignore it and watch the news, hoping that your decision hasn't caused a killing of numerous civilians and wounding of many others.
2) send a military force that will most likely face resistance and cause the killing (and wounding) of Palestinians and/or IDF soldiers.
3) call an Helicopter to destroy the target and cause minimal civilian casualties.
This is not and cannot be their only options. Such police actions require a policing approach. Investigators MUST figure out the vailidity of the accusation and that involves interrogatong the suspects ... not killing them! You cannot ask questions of the dead. This means apprehending or following until you can apprehend { stakeout, surveillance etc }.
Usually, there are few wounded pedestrians and in some cases there are killed pedestrians, it's tragic for both sides and if there was a better option, helicopters wouldn't be sent over there .
If Israel is to be viewed as a just occupier then they have to view bystanders lives as MORE important than instant arrest or horrifically instant assassination!
Originally posted by rowdyrjp
[B]Originally posted by Anti-Jihad
There have been numerous visits to Israel/Palestine by UN representatives.. Intntl Red cross... Amnesty Intntl...etc. You already know that. you post more up to date news than anyone here. So why be misleading?
Perhaps these numerous visits are not enough, besides, these visits are mostly with Israeli and Palestinian representatives. They literally take a guided tour, like they did in Iraq. They should LIVE the conflict, not just see it from a side. If they're serious about finding a solution to the conflict, a few of them should go to Gaza, live there a month. Go to Sderot and live there a month as well, that will give them a more detailed look on the situation. But it won't be done as they don't want to risk their lives to solve a conflict. Hundreds die, but why would you risk your life and try to prevent them from dying?
As you said, UN views Israel as an apartheid country - that only strengthens my claim that they don't know much about Israel and Palestine.
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That sounds contradictory first they apprehend ...then they encounter resistance? No they decide to go with overwhelming force and "get" Palestinian leaders..... "get" being kill or capture whichever is simplest . I mean that, do you ever hear of them negotiating a surrender...no they blow whole buildings away and use local children as human shields . How you might ask? I have read of IDF grabbing teenagers { Palestinians } off the street and making them deliver any messages they might have at gun point or more often just verifying that so and so are at the location. This callously endangers the lives of these children who get caught in crossfire!
No. If you read my reports you'll see that they ARREST suspects and wanted members, and as an example - one of the latest cases - a Tanzim member was surrounded and they asked him to surrender, they could've destroyed the house with him, but they entered the house and risked their lives in order to ARREST him and NOT kill him and as a result one soldier was lightly injured when the Tanzim activist fired at IDF. The two surrendered when they were discovered in (or above) the elevator cell.
About IDF grabbing teenagers and threatening them and forcing them to do things for them, do you really believe that IDF are so inhuman? Even if you do, I'm convinced it's not true. These guys are educated and well-mannered. I can't generalize in that matter so if there's a soldier or two who do unjust things to Palestinians - they should and WILL be punished. IDF holds a special inner police force and bad treatment towards civilian Palestinians counts as a serious crime.
A Palestinian who crosses the border to Israeli territories is warned in Arabic to STOP and IDENTIFY himself. If he doesn't do that, the soldiers shoot in the air, then in the legs and only then in the body. It also depends on how the suspect reacts. I don't know if they make these procedures correctly, but I certainly hope so.
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The point isn't whether they deliberately target civilians. It is that they do not deliberately avoid targeting civilians.
As you may know, Gaza is a very populated area. I believe they DO avoid targeting civilians, but in most cases it's impossible.
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This is not and cannot be their only options. Such police actions require a policing approach. Investigators MUST figure out the vailidity of the accusation and that involves interrogatong the suspects ... not killing them! You cannot ask questions of the dead. This means apprehending or following until you can apprehend { stakeout, surveillance etc }.
Of course the helicopters fire only at activists that have committed crimes. They don't fire at suspects. Investigators must prove that these men were involved in killing of civilians, gave orders, organized or helped initiating. Some peopel cannot be arrested and therefore cannot be interrogated. They can only be arrested if you use the second option and that's only in case they surrender which usually doesn't happen as top members are surrounded by bodyguards and sending there a military force will result in many killings. How can you interrogate, then? Israel would gladly stop their persecutions of wanted terrorists if Palestinians could take the responsibility to do this. Do they interrogate Hamas members, for example? I can't tell you for sure, but I highly doubt that they do and if they do, they may encounter inner conflicts as happened before that resulted in inner Palestinian killings. Arafat used to put some of the terrorists in prison and after a few weeks or less let them go.
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If Israel is to be viewed as a just occupier then they have to view bystanders lives as MORE important than instant arrest or horrifically instant assassination!
As I said before, the lives of bystanders are IMPORTANT, but if you don't commit these arrests other bystanders will die and in much bigger amounts.
I don't think I need to find the link since with your knowledge I am sure you have read the reports.
I recall, a few months back, a story of a Palestinian teenager being forced at gun point to verify if a wanted militant was in a house. The young boy did so and wound up dead in crossfire with both sides claiming the other was responsible
Have you nat read reports like this? Do you recall this incident?
No, I'm sorry rowdyjrp. I started reading the events in detail and translating them to this board a month ago.
Before that, I only heard reports from the news, but the Israeli news report much less than the paper and the radio do.
I totally agree with you that it was wrong to point a gun at a teenager, forcing him to do something he doesn't want and and causing him to get killed. I hope that whoever did that was arrested and sentenced later as I know that Israeli army does NOT allow exploiting civilians and forcing them to do something for the military.
I really believe these cases happen rarely in the Israeli army and the responsible for such crimes are sentenced.
I can't find the article about that case and see Israel's version, response and consequences, but I believe you that it did happen.
Originally posted by Anti-Jihad No, I'm sorry rowdyjrp. I started reading the events in detail and translating them to this board a month ago.
Before that, I only heard reports from the news, but the Israeli news report much less than the paper and the radio do.
I totally agree with you that it was wrong to point a gun at a teenager, forcing him to do something he doesn't want and and causing him to get killed. I hope that whoever did that was arrested and sentenced later as I know that Israeli army does NOT allow exploiting civilians and forcing them to do something for the military.
I really believe these cases happen rarely in the Israeli army and the responsible for such crimes are sentenced.
I can't find the article about that case and see Israel's version, response and consequences, but I believe you that it did happen.
Well you are over there so I guess you would know if these actions are common or horrible rare occurences. I will take your word for it.
Have you read my post on what is anti-semitism?
What do you think of fostering better relations between both sides by concentrating on what links them together { Arabs and Jews ..... both are Semites }?
Could these societies learn to see their similarities as being more important than their differences?
From an educational point of view one could begin in class room with history and social studies classes focussing on what I would call ...Semetic studies. Emphasize the common heritage. As these children grow establish governmental/religious ministries for joint Arab and Jew Semetic research...celebrations...holidays.
It would in one sense almost be like creating a new joint culture.
This way future generations might not see themselves as belonging to rival nations but rather as being part of a larger " Semetic Culture". What do you think?
ok nothing sacred. everyone here has not only given their POV, but the reason behind it. why don't you give us [at least] one SOLID reason why you feel that the Israelis are so evil and you and your Arab buddies are so great and right? 
