Powell: US will review relations with France

Post-9/11 Era Forum

http://www.standaard.be/nieuws/buit...2003_002&Snel=1

Ill try to translate the text:

The US minister of foreign affairs Colin Powell confirms that France will face the consequences for its opposition against washinton over the Iraq issue. Without specifications Powell said in an interview on tv that the US would review their relationship with France.


hehe, well what are they gonna do? Call Chirac an dictator and attack them? Sure France has WMD's so their is a reason...

Now serrios: After the "Old Europe" speech we get the "face the consequences" speech. This will futher enrage the europeans. More boycots on US goods. Etc. Bit stupid as the Old europe is the prime US tradepartner and the US economy is weak right now.

remember: you are with us or against us .........

Another good example of what a dictator do:

you disagree with the rule I enforced, you pay the price .....


don't remember who wrote the post about the freedom of Iraqi children not anymore tortured, jailed because they haven't kissed the feet of Baath party leader ........


as I said, History is an eternal renewal, only those who renew the acts change and forget History .......

Bottom line...France made the UN work the way it's SUPPOSED to work! Countries have an opinion on an issue and vote THEIR conscience. I don't think it was ever supposed to be a rubber stamp for the reigning super power. It was cool that someone stood up for a change. Now I wish someone with a veto will stand AGAINST Israel when that ROTTEN NATION commits it's NEXT ATROCITY.

And Drill, as an American, I thank you for the idea of Germany rearming! A counterbalance like the USSR was back in the day is just what we need, so we don't have MORONS like George W. Bush doing IDIOTIC things and being unchallenged.

from the link above:

Liberation has always been the goal...the Liberation of markets to be freely exploited by U.S. corporations who avoid taxes by having off-shore PO Boxes in the Cayman Islands and Bush and Cheney as major stock holders.

That's why they're so Anti-Cuba...they don't care about "freedom", they're just pissed that Castro won't let them operate unfetterred in his market.

Since 'serios consequences' in UN resolution 1441 led to war in Iraq, should we consider this 'considering of relationship' to be a declaration of war on the Republic of France?

Well, we see the world is changed.

If after WWII all the Western countries united around the US against the USSR now things are different.

NATO can't exist anymore, because the US and other countries have become anthagonists.

UN don't stop US from agression on other country, US don't like UN since they don't welcome their actions.

So:

NATO should be disbanded

UN should be disbanded

The US is a country of roughly 250M population. It's more than any europian country and thats the only reason why the US are stronger than any europian country.

But France and Germany are developed not less than the US. So if they have come to conclusion about common currency why can't they come to conclusion about joint army?

Germans are far better solgiers than Americans
At least they were.

You would have to envoke the Draft in Europe. I don't think you would have a military worth a crap. Youmight find a couple people in France though. Russia can't control it's own country, let alone fight for some other countries freedom. Germany is too self obsorbed to worry about fighting for someone else. Unless of course it benefits them only.
Brussels? Give me a break!
Will you be the first to sign up and go kill more people? I doubt it. The role of Germany, France and Russia is counter productive to freedom.

no usa- let's let germany re-arm! the euros seem to have no memory of how nationalistic they are! i say pull all us troops out of every country and let them have it out! strongest dictator wins, everyone faces mecca, and the us is the only country capable of self sustenance! once we have missile defense, who cares what happens out there? they will get what they want and more!

I heard about an episode from Vietnam war.

An American unit refused to fight until they received ice-cream which was a part of their daily food. They had every other food, but not icecream.

Such solgiers don't look good.

Germans and Russian were far better during WWII.

I think it is stupid to discuss who are the best soldiers in the world. Soldiers are persons, and to be a good soldier depends on what kind of person you are.

It is hard to hear people of europe speaking about building an army. It sounds strange and auwful, but in the world that the us administration is preparing, were only military power will prevail, there is no alternative. Army is always a waste of money, but...well if it has to be done, it has to be done.

I'm sure howerver, that such an army would have many problems and that would be ineffective against big threats, but if it can make the voice of europe a little louder, grate. Another thing is...thet we have no big threats, so....it would be only a way to improve europes situation on the world.

Grate if we use this in a sensible form and we do not forget the values that are building europe. Army can bring to abuse of power and this is a therat for europe self.

300 spartans lost the battle at Thermopylae.

This didn't make them bad solgiers.

Germany lost the war not because they were weeker (comparing to allies)

but they had:

excellent equipment
excellent personnel

By April 30 the allies had 3K warplanes, 1100 tanks, 2K cannons against Rommel's 120 tanks and 500 cannons. And Rommel fought up May 13.

In offensive:
Rommel had 510 tanks, most light ones, 600 cannons, 300 planes by May 31. British: 935 tanks (210 Grants) about 1200 cannons.
Rommel was on the offensive and the British had HIGHER losses in tanks.


In France the allies lost 5-6 Sherman tanks for 1 German Panther. Sherman tank was allies' best at at that time.

Horbett,

Peter The Great died some centuries ago. Nowadays problems aren't those of his days. I can't understand this militarist vision of the world, where you have to protect yourselv from big enemies in a sort of paranoia. In todays world, there are no big enemies to justifi a big army, so why to spent so much money in a thing that do not serves for anything??

Military is bad, but every country has to have one, i recognize this. but should not be a central thing in todays world, this money could be invested in more profitable things, like education, public social system or cooperation with third world.

Ok, may be it will be necessary in the coming world but...see, may be lula is in the right path, he cancelled a multimillion contract on fighter jets to invest this money in fighting brazils hunger. This is the path. However i repeat, the new world trend is another, thank you mr Bush!!!!

Just wanted to say its been fun reading this thread.

To be sure Germany had great soldiers and equipment during WWII. That's why they whipped France's butt in about three weeks even though the French vastly outnumbered the Germans.

Now to settle all of this, all France has to do is apologize for being wrong. It is very unlikely France will do this. Its really a non-issue though and will fade with time.

ok, about apologizing...well, i do not think france has not to apologize. They have deffended international legality, using the power they have and that is legal stipulated, oposing an injustified war done by some right radicals falcons of the pentagon who will profit a lot from it. They have deffended a world based on international law, in right and in justice as is cnown in all the democratic world. They have deffended this position although they knew this would be bad for his economic interests ( the easiest would have been backi the us led preemptive war and conserve the small economic ties they had with this coutry). It is discrepance between two different points of view of what should the international order be. One based on freedom, international law and stability, and the other based on preemptive war, the strongest one law and unstability.

oeps, ....i do not think has to apologize..... one not too much

sorry

Apologise ? for what ?

because they didn't agreed with US gov decision ?

Charles, you have the same behaviour as the one coalition kicked out ....... and US gov too .........


you are with us or against us ..............

An apology from France wouldn't be very effective. A far more effective remedy would be if they were to ceremonially stick their collective heads, one by one, in one of these:

{Picture offended Fellow poster }

It's not exactly German behaviour, it's common behaviour of XIX century.

As the US has no equal competitor, they'll tend to such behaviour naturally.

Once Europe gets united, I mean it forms a state

with common currency - already
common military
common legislature
common taxes

we'll have a country which is equal or overwhelming the US.

In fact, not all Europian countries are necessary, first of all:
Germany and France.
Than: Italy Spain and others

Well, I understood yours too.
Right when I saw the picture of it you had posted

if you really think a common currency is going to unite europe, then you are definitely to the far left of socialist! you don't think iraq can go forward united because of the different factions, you've got to be dreaming if you think france and germany could unite over anything other than opposing the u.s. your great experiment will fail, because nationalism is alive and strong in europe, always has been, always will be. and of course, leaving out certain nations makes for cooperation. you are stating what you have been complaining about, ie, leaving out nations at the u.n. it's great to see how two-faced you are! on the one hand, condemn the u.s and u.k, but, by God, we'll try the same thing to grasp power. you have made all your previous arguments void!

Now that the war is over, France is changing its tune toward the U.S. because they would like a piece of the 'action' in Iraq. Yeah, and I would like a threesome with Tiffani Thiessen and Uma Thurman but let me tell you, it just ain't gonna happen!

A common europe (EU) would be a formidable foe but is years away. But I doubt such a foe would be against the US

Present state of things is stagnation for Europian countries.

They'll unite or die.

amen to that! but the euros do give comical relief!

Well we French haven't won many wars for some time but I seem to recall we did manage to help you win your independence at Yorktown in 1780. A guy called Benjamin Franklin seemed quite appreciative at the time. Now, we look on like so many elderly parents at and marvel at the power and influence of our progeny. It seems theres quite a bit of wisdom on this thread too but any comic relief will prrobbaly come from a reply from Americaaah or Rambo (What did he post!)

that's what I said ..... everybody will have his smack but there will be nothing about US gov .......

Bad news for u guys. You are stabbed in your back by Powell.
He would like to strengthen relationships with France. Hope Americallah will read this post.

No it is not coming from japan...you have shown your level of ...yes ... what ???...stupidity....

[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by frenchfries
[B]

In your dreams baby. US will need a lot of time to restore relationships with Canada, Germany, France, Turkey, Belgium,Spain, African Countries, Greece, Asian countries, south America and Africa.
Next please!

Or at least until they need something from America!