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Posted by: Search4Truth

Bush Administration Losing Confidence?
Washington Post

CAMP DOHA, Kuwait -- With little to show after 30 days, the Bush administration is losing confidence in its prewar belief that it had strong clues pointing to the whereabouts of weapons of mass destruction concealed in Iraq, according to planners and participants in the hunt.

After testing some -- though by no means all -- of their best leads, analysts here and in Washington are increasingly doubtful that they will find what they are looking for in the places described on a five-tiered target list drawn up before fighting began. Their strategy is shifting from the rapid "exploitation" of known suspect sites to a vast survey that will rely on unexpected discoveries and leads.

Late last week, the U.S. Central Command began moving urgently to expand security around a wider range of facilities in an effort to preserve evidence that defense officials fear is melting away. That imperative grew from intelligence suggesting that Iraqi insiders have stolen files, electronic data and equipment from nonconventional arms programs under the cover of recent looting. Analysts said they believe that former Iraqi officials hope to conceal their culpability, barter for status with the U.S. military government or sell the technology for private gain.

If such weapons or the means of making them have been removed from the centralized control of former Iraqi officials, high-ranking U.S. officials acknowledged, then the war may prove to aggravate the proliferation threat that President Bush said he fought to forestall.

"It's a danger," Douglas J. Feith, the undersecretary of defense for policy, said in a telephone interview. There are signs, he said, "that some of the looting is actually strategic." Former Baath Party and Iraqi government officials appear to be "doing at least some of the looting" of government facilities, he said, "including those that might have records or materials" relating to weapons of mass destruction.

Bush launched and justified the war with a flat declaration of knowledge "that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction." Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, who took the lead public role in defending that proposition, said, among other particulars, that "our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons" agents.

Political appointees and career analysts alike, including some who were privately skeptical of the need for war, continue to express confidence that U.S. forces eventually will find stocks of chemical and biological arms, ballistic missile components and equipment and plans for uranium enrichment. A top planner said they have many leads left to pursue, including "tens" of the roughly 100 targets on the U.S. government's top tier of a five-tiered list. But arms hunters now pin their best hopes on what they call "ad hoc sites," to be discovered by happenstance or with help of Iraqis who volunteer information or divulge it under interrogation.

One such example came over the weekend, officials here said, when investigators interviewed an Iraqi scientist south of Baghdad. They said the scientist told them he took part in chemical weapons development and that Iraq had destroyed some weapons only days before the war began. He led them to samples of chemicals that the U.S. search team described as ingredients for lethal agents. But military officials would not identify the scientist, the lethal agents or the ingredients that were found. They did not permit a New York Times reporter, who was accompanying the search team and was the first to report the discovery, to interview the scientist.

Without further details of the find, experts said, its significance cannot be assessed. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was careful yesterday to draw no conclusion about it, saying he had "nothing to add" to the field report and that investigators have an "obligation of analyzing things and doing it in an orderly, disciplined way." Experts said nearly any ingredient for a chemical weapon can also be used for civilian purposes.

Because ad hoc discoveries might occur anywhere, the U.S. military is racing belatedly to lock down files and equipment at scores of potentially sensitive facilities in Baghdad that went unguarded in the chaotic days immediately after the fall of Hussein. Beginning late last week, U.S. combat forces in the Iraqi capital moved to take custody of all 23 government ministries and more than two dozen other locations they said might yield valuable intelligence.

Senior U.S. officials with responsibility over postwar Iraq were highly critical of the delay in securing those facilities. One official interviewed in Kuwait described it as "the barn-door phenomenon." He said retired Lt. Gen. Jay M. Garner, the occupation governor of Iraq, sought special protection for 10 Iraqi ministries, identifying them as potential repositories of weapons data, but that only the Oil Ministry remained intact after U.S. ground forces took possession of Baghdad. Combat commanders, the official said, gave "insufficient priority to getting into these places," and "there wasn't enough force to accomplish that initial sequestering of buildings and records."

Defense Department planners, meanwhile, are diverting some of their best investigative resources away from the target sites they came to Iraq to explore. Two of the four mobile exploitation teams, or METs, have been removed from the hunt for weapons of mass destruction and been assigned instead to the laborious task of screening what officials call "non-WMD sites." These are facilities with voluminous records that might prove enlightening on such issues as terrorism and prisoners of war. Because there are so many such sites, the teams are engaged in what one knowledgeable officer described as triage, trying to decide which ones are worth more thorough inspection. "The focus of main effort has changed," said a military officer who works directly in the arms hunt. "Because of all the looting, coupled with [the fact that] they're not coming up with anything on weapons, we've got to get these other sites secured. They can't afford to have stuff walking off because the clues we have right now are not leading us anywhere."

Now that U.S. forces control Baghdad, the nucleus of Iraq's arms industry, some leading team members have expressed frustration about the shift of focus. As recently as last Wednesday, Defense Department officials were predicting that the war's end would permit the teams to intensify their work and to reach high-priority weapons sites in significant numbers.

Wing Cmdr. Sebastian Kendall, a British Royal Air Force officer who leads the site exploitation planning center at Camp Doha, said "there has been no conscious decision to reduce the number of teams devoted to weapons of mass destruction." But, he added, "it's true to say that the environment is changing based on reality."

"We are now in and around Baghdad and there is an imperative to contain the situation as much as possible," he said. Ground forces have been ordered "to secure more sites, but also to exploit them quicker so we can release those forces.

"We will be methodically working our way through the list from top to bottom," he said. And though many of the additional sites have no known relationship to concealed arms programs, he said, some of them "could be WMD-related because the intellectual knowledge may be there or the documents may be there."

The mobile exploitation teams were staffed and equipped to provide more sophisticated analysis after others had identified and surveyed a weapons facility. They carry complex field equipment -- including gas chromatographs, mass spectrometers and portable isotopic neutron spectroscopes -- and are the only investigators in Iraq trained to safely transport samples of lethal material.

Army Lt. Col. Michael Slifka, an experienced arms inspector who directs night operations at the planning center, said "there's not much just now for the METs to do" with those capabilities. Most of the weapons work at present, he said, is sifting unevaluated clues.

Tens of thousands of soldiers and Marines in Iraq have a copy of the pocket-sized "WMD Facility, Equipment and Munitions Identification Handbook." The troops have made hundreds of excited reports. It falls to one of four "site survey teams," two each assigned to the Army and Marines, to assess those tips. None, as yet, has led to a confirmed finding.

Even the estimated 50 facilities now being protected by U.S. forces represent a tiny fraction of the many thousands of government and Baath Party offices, state enterprises, prisons, barracks, camps and private homes of senior Iraqi officials -- all of them types of places where Iraq has a history of concealing evidence of nonconventional arms. The ministry of industry and minerals, for example, oversaw more than 600 Iraqi state enterprises and 100,000 employees. U.N. arms inspectors once found more than a million pages of weapons documents on a chicken farm.

"There's a common assumption that if you know they have chemical or biological weapons, then your intelligence should be good enough to know where they are," said Feith. "But you may hear people talking, referring to specific substances or items, so you know from that that they have those substances or items" but may not know where the items are.

With site-specific intelligence less productive than hoped, Defense Department officials have concluded that the weapons hunt needs substantial reinforcement. That will come from the eventual deployment of more than 1,000 military and civilian analysts under the auspices of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

The Iraq Survey Group, to be commanded by the DIA's deputy director for intelligence operations, plans an immense catalog of Iraqi government records -- an intelligence task rivaled in recent times only by the joint U.S.-German effort in the former East German archives in Berlin. Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, a career Russian specialist, will supervise the screening of Iraqi records.

Weapons of mass destruction will be a part, though not predominant share, of Dayton's responsibilities. Even so, officials said, the number of arms investigators in Iraq should triple or quadruple by the time the DIA group is fully in place in about three months.

Kendall, the British officer who now directs planning for the arms hunt, said a search even on the present scale is without precedent.

"It's very young," he said. "It's in its infancy."

"Tomorrow will be one month into the campaign," he added, "and we've got some way to go is what I'd say."

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Posted by: Rambo

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Posted by: wonkyconcrete

More evidence for your banned biological weapons rambo ? What is the content of this missile and does it have a prohibited range?

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Posted by: Rambo

quote:
What is the content of this missile and does it have a prohibited range?


Armed with dual Boeing T-8000-A Spermatazoa Salvos that can fire up to 1,000 kilometers... and up to 1,500 kilometers if the Steel Nut Casings are gently tickled first.
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Posted by: Dubyagee

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Posted by: wonkyconcrete

LOL @ Rambo.

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Posted by: Americaaah

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Originally posted by Dubyagee
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What the heck does that mean, Dubyagee???

(shrug)

Hey, Search4..., the dictator would NEVER have allowed Blix to find WMD. It would be a cat and mouse game 'till Blix got old and turned to dust. Now that the dictator is not a factor, these weapons and weapons components can be had. Many WERE probably destroyed days before the war started when the dictator may have realized that the invasion was inevitable. Many may or may not have been taken into Syria. But I believe many, if not most, are still buried in Iraq.

Also, the dictator's decision to not use them on coalition troops is not surprising. It was a logical decision if one considers what could hurt the U.S. more—using them as a weapon on troops well-prepared with masks and suits OR making sure they are not found by promptly destroying/hiding/transferring them. Clearly, more damage could be inflicted by the idea that the U.S. not find WMD.

The dictator had been a master at concealment for decades. But evidence of his WMD will be found.

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"Sometimes, There's No Substitute for U.S. Might"
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Posted by: mystic

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Americaaah


[B]Also, the dictator's decision to not use them on coalition troops is not surprising. It was a logical decision if one considers what could hurt the U.S. more—using them as a weapon on troops well-prepared with masks and suits OR making sure they are not found by promptly destroying/hiding/transferring them. Clearly, more damage could be inflicted by the idea that the U.S. not find WMD.


This is exactly why I think he did not choose to use them! Saddam, after all was not stupid...I believe after 30 or so years, he proved that! I think he believed that it would hurt us more if they didn't use them, thus trying to make fools of the coalition. Also in agreement, I think he did destroy some days before the invastion, but I, too, feel there are still some in hiding!

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Posted by: frenchfries

quote:
Originally posted by mystic
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Americaaah
[B]
I think he believed that it would hurt us more if they didn't use them, thus trying to make fools of the coalition. Also in agreement, I think he did destroy some days before the invastion, but I, too, feel there are still some in hiding!


Then it was a war for nothing...Well done.
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Posted by: mystic

quote:
Originally posted by frenchfries


Then it was a war for nothing...Well done.



I don't really feel it was for nothing....we all have to know that this man had WMD. This is a man who would have eventually used them, and who do you think he would have used them against?

We didn't make them our enemy...there are plenty of countries that do not like the U.S. no matter what we do. We could live peacefully and people would still have vendetta's against us. How can you win?
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Posted by: frenchfries

quote:
Originally posted by mystic



I don't really feel it was for nothing....we all have to know that this man had WMD. This is a man who would have eventually used them, and who do you think he would have used them against?

We didn't make them our enemy...there are plenty of countries that do not like the U.S. no matter what we do. We could live peacefully and people would still have vendetta's against us. How can you win?



"who do you think he would have used them against?". Israel...much closer and weaker than USA, mate.

But the goal of this war was to fight terrorism, or am I wrong?

So my questions remain the same:
where are the proofs that Iraq to Ben Laden of the 9/11? (all we saw was an old student's thesis: ridiculous... )
where are you famous WMD? (perhaps have a look in the groceries for beans.:farts gases can intoxicate! )

What is the point???
thanks for your answer mate.
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Posted by: USA1

Patience, patience and more patience.
Sitting on the edge of your chair, waiting to say "I told you so", has driven you nuts.
It is rediculous to think a country would go to war over speculations and incorrect information. The U.S. citizens wouldn't stand for it.
There will be:
A new free Iraq.
WMD found.
Saddams support to terrorizm.
Iraq links to Al Qaeda found.
French interferance and support for Saddam against the U.S. found.
This isn't speculation. It's fact.
It's just a matter of time, which we have lots of.

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Posted by: nowar

USA1,

everybody will have his smack, even the Brits - already started - but I doubt that one think will be found against US gov

And of course everything which will be exposed will validate the case against Iraq ..........

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Posted by: nowar

of course it's "one thing" and not "one think"

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Posted by: Ireland

quote:
Originally posted by USA1
Patience, patience and more patience.
Sitting on the edge of your chair, waiting to say "I told you so", has driven you nuts.
It is rediculous to think a country would go to war over speculations and incorrect information. The U.S. citizens wouldn't stand for it.
There will be:
A new free Iraq.
WMD found.
Saddams support to terrorizm.
Iraq links to Al Qaeda found.
French interferance and support for Saddam against the U.S. found.
This isn't speculation. It's fact.
It's just a matter of time, which we have lots of.


You think the reason people are argueing with you is to tell you I told you so? This isn't the playground....there are serious issues at hand, give a little bit of cop on to those who argue against this action.
What is a new free Iraq? Is it A: a government in Iraq as voted for by the people of Iraq, even if it is a governement that wishes to impliment an Islamic state? or is it B: a western styled government that is pro-american and designed by the U.S and consisting of Iraqis that have not lived in Iraq for decades whatever the reason.
Define "terrorism". Is is A: supporting Hamas in Palestine where Israel is aggresively occupying (or is that liberating?) its land or is it B: Al Qaeda?
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Posted by: DaveDom

What is this preposterous idea that the best way Saddam could hurt the USA was to not use his WMD?

He was being bombed night and day, thousands of tons of the stuff falling form the sky. Do you really think the meeting went - "I have a plan, let's not use our mass destruction weapons cause that'll really hurt those Yanky invaders. Imagine what the papers will say." Kabooooom!!!

He had nothing to match Americas military. He was the least threatening country in the Middle East. AMERICA WOULD NOT HAVE ATTACKED HIM IF HE HAD ANY MILITARY STRENGTH!

America isn't going to war with anyone with military strength. Strong enemies have NUCLEAR BOMBS!!!

(Then again - STAR WARS!!! )

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Posted by: USA1

For the most part, many cannot see the good that will come from the efforts in Iraq. They will have their own govenment regardless what the coalition wants. Whether it be an Islamic Fundamentalist government or a democratic governent chosen through elections. This will not be another American State and you know it.
Come on, you know what terrorism is. Think of car bombs going off in London. That should jog your memory.

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Posted by: nowar

USA1,

I think that we are all happy for the Iraqi people to be freed from Saddam, if someone is not, oops, he should shut is mouth .....

what we are arguing is that - whatever some will say - there was another way to achieve that ....... charles and other, please don't restart a so discussed point.

what we are arguing is the way the case against Iraq has been build ....
what we are arguing is now US gov - yes US gov photek and mystic - has to prove it's motive "taking care of people"
it's to prove that Iraq will have a totally independent government
it's to prove that oil was not one of the keypoint of that war except for Iraqi people
it's to prove that there was strong links with terrorism
it's to prove that there very big WMDs stockpiles
it's to prove that they gonna do everything to have peace between Palestinian and Israel
.....

a lot of work to do ........

just to let you know that I don't trust US gov, too many bad thing in his history, so prove it, they have a very good opportunity now .......

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Posted by: grets

nowar- cute! you tell others not to rehash a point, then proceed to rehash all the points you've made. time will tell on this right? let's let some time pass then before we judge. one thing i think is becoming abundantly clear tho, france was worse than anyone thought in this whole thing. i'd like to hear anyone defend france's role in the iraq situation. and germany and russia have been strangely silent as of late- do you get the feeling they realize they were duped by the french?

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Posted by: Ireland

quote:
Originally posted by USA1
For the most part, many cannot see the good that will come from the efforts in Iraq. They will have their own govenment regardless what the coalition wants. Whether it be an Islamic Fundamentalist government or a democratic governent chosen through elections. This will not be another American State and you know it.
Come on, you know what terrorism is. Think of car bombs going off in London. That should jog your memory.


Your assesment is both blindsighted and contradictory to U.S official statements. First of all an Islamic state ( the prefered government of the Shia Muslims who make up aprox. 60% of the population) has been branded as "unacceptable" by the U.S administration (White house spokeman). Secondly it is important to point out that one mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Whether you agree with this assement or not, the fact remains that Saddam Huesein's support for what is widely regarded as a freedom fighting group in the Arab world (Hamas)is widely reported in the U.S as SADDAM supporting TERROR. The impression is more important than the fact. This was used all too often in the build up to this war. Saddam Hussein openly supported Hamas, this was not a secret.
Thirdly your little swipe about car bombs in London...There is a peace process active that has ensured both the lives of innocent Britains and Nationalists/Catholics have been saved from another 30 years of conflict. Ask yourself this...what drives people to blow themselves up at their enemies feet? Desperation. By removing all peacefull approaches and insisting on inflicting a disproporionate use of force on a third world country you have created desperation in many Iraqi's lives. Add this desperation to their anger, humiliation and disgust and you have created something very potent indeed. If any threat existed from Iraq prior to this war, it is dwarfed by the threat that exists now.
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Posted by: DaveDom

quote:
Originally posted by USA1
For the most part, many cannot see the good that will come from the efforts in Iraq. They will have their own govenment regardless what the coalition wants. Whether it be an Islamic Fundamentalist government or a democratic governent chosen through elections. This will not be another American State and you know it.
Come on, you know what terrorism is. Think of car bombs going off in London. That should jog your memory.


I can see the good. Saddam's gone, that's good. Motivation, I've mentioned before - incredibly important when it comes to what the future might turn into. Right now: terrorism - makes no difference whether I was for or against the war, I live in a coutnry that dropped bombs on Iraq. I'm as likely to get blown up as you USA1 because killing and maiming people generally creates hatred. Ask yourself this: if your mother or sister or baby was killed in Iraq are you going to say, oh well at least Saddam's gone. No, you are going to listen to the guy saying - LETS KILL AMERCANS. There's now even more people in the world who's only aim in life will be to kill as many British and Americans people as they can.

But don't worry becasue terrorist violence is not in the same league as the violence that a country can unleash on another country.

On a brighter note, 10 years from now it may all be different. Maybe then countries will have stopped supporting dictators becasue it's good for their own national interest. Who knows?
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Posted by: nowar

quote:
Originally posted by grets
nowar- cute! you tell others not to rehash a point, then proceed to rehash all the points you've made. time will tell on this right? let's let some time pass then before we judge. one thing i think is becoming abundantly clear tho, france was worse than anyone thought in this whole thing. i'd like to hear anyone defend france's role in the iraq situation. and germany and russia have been strangely silent as of late- do you get the feeling they realize they were duped by the french?



did I argued the other ways ?
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Posted by: USA1

DaveDom,
As a Disabled American Veteran of Vietnam, I can assure that nobody wants to see people die. I don’t care how gung-ho you may think you are. When the bullets start flying, you will have a reflection into your beliefs on life. I am also sure that the people of Iraq searching for their friends and relatives who were imprisoned by Saddam feel the same way. Unfortunately, Saddam killed them all so that they could tell nobody of his atrocities.
There is a choice and the Iraqi people will get that chance. In the end they will decide their own fate. At least now they will have that choice. If they don’t like what the coalition is doing, they will eventually choose a different path on their own.
I lost friends in WTC bombing so, I know about death and hatred on personal note.
The Iraqi people know too the cost of freedom and they accept it for a new world. They knew innocent people would die but they also know they will be better off. Freedom isn’t free and never will be.

You are right, 10 years from now things will be different but, if we had done nothing, the death in Iraq would continue for the next 10 years. How many would have died? Another 10,000?

I am completely for wiping out terrorism worldwide. I know I will be hated for this because there is only one solution in fighting it. You can’t reason with a terrorist and you cannot allow them to black mail you. They only understand on thing. Death.

You are either for terrorism or against it. You cannot ride the fence on this as far as I am concerned. If other countries promote terrorism on America, they are my enemies. If you support terrorism, you are my enemy.

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Posted by: nowar

USA1,

I think that going on war will not solve the problem but increase it.

Discussing with the terrorists ? right, no way
But discussing with those people which are near to become terrorists, yes

When I say discussing, it's taking action in order to not give them any reason to becomes terrorists ...

How ? fight against poverty, lack of education, not helping their leader who mostly are some sort of dictator, in two words: helping them

That's what I hope from US gov with their new motive: taking care of people.
Of course, it's not only US gov which must take care of people but ALL gov ....

If they don't act like that, you gonna have more and more terrorists ..... even if you go on war .....

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Posted by: Americaaah

quote:
Originally posted by USA1
DaveDom,
As a Disabled American Veteran of Vietnam, I can assure that nobody wants to see people die. I don’t care how gung-ho you may think you are. When the bullets start flying, you will have a reflection into your beliefs on life. I am also sure that the people of Iraq searching for their friends and relatives who were imprisoned by Saddam feel the same way. Unfortunately, Saddam killed them all so that they could tell nobody of his atrocities.
There is a choice and the Iraqi people will get that chance. In the end they will decide their own fate. At least now they will have that choice. If they don’t like what the coalition is doing, they will eventually choose a different path on their own.
I lost friends in WTC bombing so, I know about death and hatred on personal note.
The Iraqi people know too the cost of freedom and they accept it for a new world. They knew innocent people would die but they also know they will be better off. Freedom isn’t free and never will be.

You are right, 10 years from now things will be different but, if we had done nothing, the death in Iraq would continue for the next 10 years. How many would have died? Another 10,000?

I am completely for wiping out terrorism worldwide. I know I will be hated for this because there is only one solution in fighting it. You can’t reason with a terrorist and you cannot allow them to black mail you. They only understand on thing. Death.

You are either for terrorism or against it. You cannot ride the fence on this as far as I am concerned. If other countries promote terrorism on America, they are my enemies. If you support terrorism, you are my enemy.


Glad and honored to be on your side, USA1. Wish I could shake your hand. All we Americans, those now living and those yet to be born, owe you, and all men like you, our profound gratitude.

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"Sometimes, There's No Substitute for U.S. Might"
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Posted by: USA1

nowar,
The thing about talking out problems is that there has to be mutual agreement on both sides to even discuss ways to overcome issues.
The middle-east has been talking since 1948 but, talking from one side of their face and shooting with the other. Saddam had 12 years, how long should he have been allowed to 'talk'? It was impossible to reason with a madman and his people and neighbors knew that. Much of the support for Iraq from Syria was because Saddam threatened them into supporting him. Syria will need to step into the new millenium or fall behind.
This war has opened the eyes of the leaders in the middle-east and don't mean to terrorism. They no know that the whole world sees how they treat their people. Mind me, not all middle-east countries are run by madmen. Those that are, are being seen in new light and will be scrutenised by their people and neighbors and future change will happen for the good of all. Not everyone wants to be an Islamic terrorst as depicted on the nightly news.

As I said before, the world is watching.

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Posted by: photek

ok let's see...this is number...6

keep going search

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Posted by: Americaaah

quote:
Originally posted by DaveDom
What is this preposterous idea that the best way Saddam could hurt the USA was to not use his WMD?



Here it is again, Davedum. Let me know exactly which part you do not understand:

The dictator's decision to not use WMD on coalition troops is not surprising. It was a logical decision if one considers what could hurt the U.S. more—using them as a weapon on troops well-prepared with masks and suits OR 'proving' to the world that they didn't exist by promptly destroying/hiding/transferring them. Clearly, more damage could be inflicted upon the U.S. by the idea that the U.S. not find WMD.

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Posted by: MrJukoVette

quote:
Originally posted by Americaaah
Hey, Search4..., the dictator would NEVER have allowed Blix to find WMD. It would be a cat and mouse game 'till Blix got old and turned to dust. Now that the dictator is not a factor, these weapons and weapons components can be had. Many WERE probably destroyed days before the war started when the dictator may have realized that the invasion was inevitable. Many may or may not have been taken into Syria. But I believe many, if not most, are still buried in Iraq.

Also, the dictator's decision to not use them on coalition troops is not surprising. It was a logical decision if one considers what could hurt the U.S. more—using them as a weapon on troops well-prepared with masks and suits OR making sure they are not found by promptly destroying/hiding/transferring them. Clearly, more damage could be inflicted by the idea that the U.S. not find WMD.

The dictator had been a master at concealment for decades. But evidence of his WMD will be found.

Good post, i agree.
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Posted by: DaveDom

quote:
Originally posted by Americaaah


Here it is again, Davedum. Let me know exactly which part you do not understand:

The dictator's decision to not use WMD on coalition troops is not surprising. It was a logical decision if one considers what could hurt the U.S. more—using them as a weapon on troops well-prepared with masks and suits OR 'proving' to the world that they didn't exist by promptly destroying/hiding/transferring them. Clearly, more damage could be inflicted upon the U.S. by the idea that the U.S. not find WMD.



Oh, I get you, he sacrificed himself so that the Bush would look bad. Nice one When was this 'proving' going to start? After he was dead or captured or like now, on the run? Well if all goes to plan and no one can find his destroyed/hiden/transfered WMD then Bush will look so very bad that Saddam should be back in power in a couple of weeks. It's both cunning and brilliant.
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Posted by: USA1

If the Inspectors would have found WMD, they would never have been allowed to leave or maybe would have simply "disappeared". I wouldn't have wanted that job for all the money in the world. They are lucky to escape with their heads attached.

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Posted by: Ireland

Dave, why am I imagining Saddam Hussein sounding like Balderick out of Black Adder..." I've got a cunning plan"!!

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Posted by: Ireland

quote:
Originally posted by USA1
If the Inspectors would have found WMD, they would never have been allowed to leave or maybe would have simply "disappeared". I wouldn't have wanted that job for all the money in the world. They are lucky to escape with their heads attached.


That is absolutely ridiculous, the logic behind that statement is completely warped and you know it.
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Posted by: mystic

quote:
Originally posted by DaveDom


Oh, I get you, he sacrificed himself so that the Bush would look bad. Nice one When was this 'proving' going to start? After he was dead or captured or like now, on the run? Well if all goes to plan and no one can find his destroyed/hiden/transfered WMD then Bush will look so very bad that Saddam should be back in power in a couple of weeks. It's both cunning and brilliant.


Dave....

*YAWN* This argument of your is becoming both trite and mundane! I believe there has been quite a few people that answered, commented, and reacted to this for you.

Don't you have anything new yet? C'mon man....show some originality!
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Posted by: Americaaah

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Originally posted by DaveDom


Oh, I get you, he sacrificed himself so that the Bush would look bad. Nice one When was this 'proving' going to start? After he was dead or captured or like now, on the run? Well if all goes to plan and no one can find his destroyed/hiden/transfered WMD then Bush will look so very bad that Saddam should be back in power in a couple of weeks. It's both cunning and brilliant.


DaveDum, DaveDum, DaveDum, why do you insist on idiocies, pal? Get this straight this time around: Saddam would NOT have won the war NOR would he have 'survived' regardless of whether or not he used WMD! In other words, the use of WMD would have no effect on the outcome of anything! THAT IS OBVIOUS! The dictator knew this, pal. All the world knew this. (Even you know this.) Had Saddam used WMD on coalition troops he may have caused SOME casualties. May have. BUT HOW MANY? (The troops were prepared with protective suits.)

Got it now?

Good.

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Posted by: Ireland

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Originally posted by Americaaah


DaveDum, DaveDum, DaveDum, why do you insist on idiocies, pal? Get this straight this time around: Saddam would NOT have won the war NOR would he have 'survived' regardless of whether or not he used WMD! In other words, the use of WMD would have no effect on the outcome of anything! THAT IS OBVIOUS! The dictator knew this, pal. All the world knew this. (Even you know this.) Had Saddam used WMD on coalition troops he may have caused SOME casualties. May have. BUT HOW MANY? (The troops were prepared with protective suits.)

Got it now?

Good.
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Saddam would not have won the war?
That would explain how much of an immediate threat he was then wouldn't it?
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Posted by: Seek4Justice

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Saddam would not have won the war?
That would explain how much of an immediate threat he was then wouldn't it?


Of course not.

WMD's going to terrorists was the real threat and concern.
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Posted by: DaveDom

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Originally posted by Americaaah


DaveDum, DaveDum, DaveDum, why do you insist on idiocies, pal? Get this straight this time around: Saddam would NOT have won the war NOR would he have 'survived' regardless of whether or not he used WMD! In other words, the use of WMD would have no effect on the outcome of anything! THAT IS OBVIOUS! The dictator knew this, pal. All the world knew this. (Even you know this.) Had Saddam used WMD on coalition troops he may have caused SOME casualties. May have. BUT HOW MANY? (The troops were prepared with protective suits.)

Got it now?

Good.


Saddam would NOT have won the war
Yep, America would not have atttacked him otherwise.

the use of WMD would have no effect on the outcome of anything! THAT IS OBVIOUS!
Yep, quite agree. He was never a threat to anyone and the whole war was based on some way-out phoney premises that he was a threat to the world.

All the world knew this. (the use of WMD would have no effect on the outcome of anything! THAT IS OBVIOUS!
No I'm sure abouit this. Many Amerians were convinced he was a threat to world security. And this despite using forged documents to make the case. The US and UK propoganda and lies failed to convince most of the word (thus the planet's biggest marches) but they went ahead and bombed anyway because they were always going to bomb.

It's at least nice that we are starting to agree on something
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Posted by: Seek4Justice

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It's at least nice that we are starting to agree on something


Oh no. Another conspiracy theorist.
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Posted by: Ireland

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Originally posted by Seek4Justice


Oh no. Another conspiracy theorist.


I'm afraid not, Hans Blix was given a document that was supposed to have been a reciept for nucear weapons components
between Iraq and Niger. This was PROVEN to have been falsified by the U.S. As well as that, the UK produced a document just before the war that was supposed to outline the threat that Saddam Hussein posed to world security. It was later found what had been described by Colin Powell as a "fine document" was actually plagerised from a Californian student's thesis. This was widely reported in the U.K press and the U.K government under massive pressure, admitted the truth.
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Posted by: Americaaah

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Originally posted by DaveDom


Saddam would NOT have won the war
Yep, America would not have atttacked him otherwise.

the use of WMD would have no effect on the outcome of anything! THAT IS OBVIOUS!
Yep, quite agree. He was never a threat to anyone and the whole war was based on some way-out phoney premises that he was a threat to the world.

All the world knew this. (the use of WMD would have no effect on the outcome of anything! THAT IS OBVIOUS!
No I'm sure abouit this. Many Amerians were convinced he was a threat to world security. And this despite using forged documents to make the case. The US and UK propoganda and lies failed to convince most of the word (thus the planet's biggest marches) but they went ahead and bombed anyway because they were always going to bomb.

It's at least nice that we are starting to agree on something



Sorry, DaveDumb, you can twist my words all you want but the truth is out there. By the way, three more words for you to make pretzel out of: terrorists buy weapons.




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