"Anti-war" folks please summarize position... thanks

Post-9/11 Era Forum

Would the anti-war folks please summarize their positions? It gets hard to keep track.

If we could boil them down and condense them into 5-10 it would be great.

Thanks!

Violence perpetuates violence. The more people who believe this
the more chance there is of reducing it.

I am including lies, manipulation and profit over people in the word 'violence'.

Charles, i fully understand the self defence argument and yes i would defend my family with whatever means i could. You asked for a summary of why i was anti-war, and i stand by it.

No, its not a perfect world but i truly believe that violence has to be oppossed, if it isnt then it will always exist. Yes, it is oversimplyfing it, but you did ask for a summary. Being anti-violence is why i opposse the war.

I also counted dishonesty in my summary.

If it clarifies my position any, then i am happy for any iraqi who feels better off because of the war, if most Iraqis do then all the better. It makes me sad that violence is used and i would rather have nice thoughts, anti-violence thoughts, in my head whilst i am still free to choose what i think. (hope thats not esoteric for you, summarising is almost as complex as elaborating!)

Photek "violence will always exist, regardless of how many people are against it."

Not if EVERYONE was against it.

Even if MOST people were against it , it would be a better world. Accuse me of hippyesque ideals if you want, but if i'm anti-violence then that is the influence that spreads, i would not want to influence any other way.

The human race is evolving, we have an aggressive nature, it may evolve away. Certainly more chance of that if we try.

Surely there is more to peace than chewing grass charles ! I dont think a future peaceful society would be incable of violence or incabable of defending themselves, just that violence would be less a part of their nature. I also dont think it is way out to advocate less violence, sometimes it is useful to be extreme in how you go about that to counter it in the first place, after all violence itself is an extreme thing by nature, it imposes itself.

I'd like to say that i was addressing the balance, but if truth was to be known, i am simply more comfortable pushing this particular view.

Now hows that for a summary, i am anti-war because it feels right?

don't be hard on him rambo - his hearts in the right place...

Meaning summeries are a little simplistic, sorry the irony was lost!

Yet reinforced !

Iraq has one of the largest oil reserves in the world and the Bush administration is soaked in the stuff (Condoleezza Rice has had an oil tanker named after her What the hell did she do to deserve that honour?!) They have far-right views about re-constructing the world and we are just supposed to sit back and trust that THEY arrogantly know what they are doing! This is staggering and dangerous and could lead to turmoil around the world. And there is horrifyingly little argument against their policies in the main stream media. They have used the old nazi propoganda trick of whipping up patriatism to stiffle critism and squash debate. This is so successfully that Geobles would be both proud and impressed.

Just basic things like using forged documents to back up their argument for war in Iraq is very telling.

Much of their argument is illogical. Freedom for Iraqis would most likely mean an Islamic state. America ALLOWED Saddam to slaughter quarter of a million Shias to stop this in 1991. Why would they allow it now?

There are so many things wrong with this war and American foreign policy right now. And that was very well expressed in March when there were the biggest protest marches the world has ever seen. The fact that a much smaller number of marchers just weeks before protesting for the right to hunt foxes had more impact on the British government says it all.

Americaaah: Now that the anti-U.S. propagandists witnessed the success of the coalition
Does your military make you feel like some big tough guy? You sound very proud that the strongest military might in the world dropped - utterly unchallenged - tons and tons of bombs onto one of the weakest countries in the world.

Americaaah: and the profound good that will come of it for the Iraqi people
Please tell me how you can be so certain? Your country does not have a good history in this respect. Or does it even matter to you because you sound like you just wanna KICK SOME A$S!!

Americaaah: they are desperate and grasping at straws for any possible negative things to spew about the U.S. and President Bush
Desperate? On the contrary. I think the level of insult coming from you war-fans says it all. They don't bother me but they are hardly the kind of noise anyone would expect anyone to make who thinks they have anything valid to say.

Your response I'm sure will be just more insults

Too much bs were mentionned to justify this war. None of them proved to be right. No terrorism links. No involvement of Iraq in 9/11. No WMD. No Ben Laden. No iraqi-terrorits attacks against USA.
But UN is endangered.
Half the world disgusted by Bush. Allies turned their back. Even your neighbourgs.
Pre-emptive example given to sensitive countries such as North Korea, Pakistan or India.

So why? Oil and familly business...


What a mess. Go on, vote for Bush.

If France is so disgusted with Bush, and the U.S., why don't they stop us from exporting the wine and water that comes from them to show us that they disagree? Oh...I know why, because without money from the U.S., your economy would fail drastically. Not to mention all the French investors who come over and buy American businesses would have to then bow out of making more money from this country. So again, we are only good to your country for one purpose, other than that you hate us right? So....maybe France should show some backbone...drop America's business like a hot potato and see who doesn't come crying back to us when desperation sets in!