Was the creation of Israel equal to colonisation of America?

Israel & Palestine Forum

Talking about the State of Israel in the context of Anti-Zionism we should remember there's another affected party: the Palestinian Arabs.
Since they'd been living on the land for ages by the time the Jews began massive landing, they have all the rights to think this landing as a hostile act against them. Because of that driving the Arabs out of their land and creation of the State of Israel is anti-Arabic (?) and racism. The story repeats the story of Native Americans. There is a difference that colonising of America happened much earlier when no-one had an idea on human rights.
Arabian Anti-Semitism is well-based: the Israeli Jews did much harm to them that's why they hate Jews now, quite probably they hate all the Jews, not only those, who live in Israel. This is like the hate of Native Americans towards the white settlers.
The outcome of the colonisation of Palestine by Israel is like the outcome of the Indians: Palestinians find themselves in a reservation. Many more similarities may be found.
Zionists justify their claim because of the fact that Jews lived there in ancient times. Is that a good reason? I doubt. Many things have happened since that time and there's no possibility to rewind the tape.
Creating of Israel was possible in any unmanned land so no other people would have been affected. Zionists decided to conquer Palestine. They made their choice and they have now what they have. Suicide terrorists? You've chosen war, now eat it's fruits.

my only problem with the creation of Israel was the fact that the UN was carving up lands that the people who lived there had no say in.

but that's the past.

Arab Anti-semitism has existed as early as the 1920's - before Israel - before Haganah, irgun, and Stern gang even existed.

I actually think its the other way around - why do the Palestinians complain when Israel sends in Helicopters to kill their terrorist leaders? After all, the Palestinians do call this a war.

Every country was created by colonialism. Just look at Russia. One of the worst examples of colonialism. How about Europe? The whites from Urals swarmed down into Europe and colonized it. We can't forget the Arabs who colonized the middle east. Why do people go off in Israel? Anti-Semitism. You hardly hear a peep about China occupying Tibet. Russia and Chechnya, what conflict? Israel on the other hand is considered the worst country in the world. Why? Anti-Semitism. It is pure hypocrisy the way people attack Israel while they live in countries that were created by committing crimes against the native people of their countries. I suggest all of you who attack Israel go back to the countries where your ancestors migrated from. Give your countries back to the natives.

Of course the Palestinian Arabs have hate towards Jews. But we shouldn't mess reason and consequence.

Once Arabs constituted the majority in Palestine, then thanks to the mass emigration of Jews into Israel they began to loose the dominant position.

Such state of things leads to anti-semitism, of course. So Arabs don't hate Jews because of their ignorance or/and intolerance.

Edited for language and insults. -advance

IsraelIs4Ever said this in post #7 :
Every country was created by colonialism. Just look at Russia. One of the worst examples of colonialism.

Barbed wire said this in post #8 :
Russia is an example of softest possible colonialism. Some countries pleaded to be parts of Russia, and problems were only in Checnhya and Poland in XIX century.

Read some history. Russia, starting with it's emerging as Kiev Empire in 9th century, was one of the most offensive states. Numerous attacks on small nations surrounding it and other empires, following suffering from mongol occupation, then czar period russia and it's wars, and the brightest page of russian imperialism - USSR. Softest colonialism? HA HA HA

How about Europe? The whites from Urals swarmed down into Europe and colonized it.

Well the original population and new-comer whites have mostly integrated in EU. Lets not forget what the EU states did with asian and african nations and islands up until 1940s.

We can't forget the Arabs who colonized the middle east.

Not just arabs, but turks and persians as well. Everybody tried colonizing and ruling everybody. Everybody failed.

Why do people go off in Israel? Anti-Semitism. You hardly hear a peep about China occupying Tibet. Russia and Chechnya, what conflict? Israel on the other hand is considered the worst country in the world. Why? Anti-Semitism. It is pure hypocrisy the way people attack Israel while they live in countries that were created by committing crimes against the native people of their countries.

That's true.

I suggest all of you who attack Israel go back to the countries where your ancestors migrated from. Give your countries back to the natives.

And the real natives in Israel are jews.


Barbed wire said this in post #8 :
Since there's conscription in Israel and both men and women are drafted, and men up 51 years old remain in reserve, serving up 39 days each year - like in no other country, then there are no civilians in Israel - all are soldiers.

Ofcourse they all have to be soldiers if there are millions around them who want to kill them.

Russia as well as China are being much criticised, you just take the criticism against Israel closer to your heart, what is natural of course.

5000 rallied in France in a peace-protest against Russian atrocities in Chechnya. China? I heard NOTHING to date condemning China, maybe except for it's human rights violations.

Merkava: I finally concluded that's impossible to lead a polite discussion with you.
Herewith I inform you you're ignored.
Bye.

It is not equivalent to colonisation. It was the arabs who refused to live in peace with the Jews, chose war, and lost. Nobody was completely happy with the partition, but it was roughly based on where most people were living. The refugee crisis was largely of manufacture by the arabs, who said - "come give up your land , you'll get it back when we destroy the zionist state. " We'll they didn't and they won't.

Prior to the partition, the Jews bought land, legally, from the arabs, who laughed all the way to the bank. Once the Jews made that land valuable, the arabs started crying foul.

to see such faulty arguments.

American colonization was nothing like Israel's immigration. First off the english settlers had and made no historic claim to the land. but that's not all that important. Israeli settlers did not take land from the natives, they bought it. Israeli settlers where joining their sephardic cousins, english colonists had no pre existing foothold. The Israeli settlers were met with harsh resistance and anti-semitism, the english settlers recieved aid from friendly native tribes. Israel gave back land it conquered in a DEFENSIVE war, the english settlers expanded without pause.

Please take an american history class. and while you're at it, take a modern middle-east class too.

and please don't turn tail and run when u are proven wrong. research your statements before u write them.

and israel requires all citizens (EXCLUDING many orthodox jews who get deferment based on religious beliefs) to serve in the armed forces, true. But that's not becuase israel is a aggressive country, it's because with such a small land area surrounded by vicious neighbors, they need all the protection they can get. By the way, not every soldier is trained for active combat. many are teachers, many are even cooks.

As for the unfortunate collateral damage to innocent palestinians, it is afar cry from blowing up teenagers in a line to a club or blowing up a pregnant woman in a grocery store or opening fire on cowering teenage girls when confronted with the israeli army proper. Im not saying it is justified, just that there is such a strong intention of killing innocent israeli citizens that israeli counter-action pales in comparison to its savagery.