In all his dorkedness...

Lord of the Rings Trilogy Forum

I must admit that in 'Two Towers', the character that lead the elves to the keep where they aided the humans in their battle was quite the stud elf.... although, outwardly - he appeared more like he was the local elven computer support technician more than anything.

random thoughts by yours truly.

I thought he was pretty awesome.. super-fast with the bow & arrows, inhuman abilities with his strangely uncelebrated leap onto the horse in motion (wow! this move was a big hit with the audience) - and I think his appearance is very becoming of elven folk who are supposed to be beautiful and unaging - quite unlike that ugly fool who played Agent Smith from The Matrix, the Elven King.. *gack*

I'm very confuse by these 2 posts I think you get teh two char. mix up.


The elf who lead the elves army to aids human is Haldir of Lorien.

The elf who did the jumping on the horse stunt is Legolas, Prince of Mirkwood.

I think I must agree with the first thread, Haldir of Lorien does appear to be a bit of an idiot, despite his 'raison d'être'. I, personally, think this could be due to the impression he left on me from FOTR.

Haldir: The dwarf breaths so loud,
we could have shot him in the dark.

This line aggravates me every time I watch FOTR, even though this is meant to be a humorous moment, Haldir's less-than-attractive exterior and his 'big-headed' arrogance does nothing but annoy me.

It could just be me though...

Oh, and another thing, Hugo Weaving (Elrond) is a great actor in both the Matrix and Lord of the Rings. I find it quite easy to overlook his unattractive countenance because of his incredible acting ability. I also think he (and his face) suits the character of Elrond perfectly, though he does appear quite evil at times.

You should just be thankful Jackson didn't choose his actors for the looks, otherwise you'd end up with actors like Daniel Radcliffe (Harry Potter) on set. Have you EVER seen a worse actor?

THE ELFS NAME IS HALDIER BUT IN THE BOOKS HE APPEARS IN THR RETURN OF THE KING AND DOSNT DIE AT HELMS DEEP!

Just a note to Stainless. You don't need to caps every letter, because it is considered shouting in nettiquette.

Just being helpful.

i'll take your advice into consideration mmaheshwary

Ha, ha, ha....just a loud talker! Likes people to take notice...because he feels he has something to say!

haldir is awesome! if yu dare dis him, you shall meet my wrath!

Um, Haldir is dead! Dead I tell you! He got his a$s whopped by a bunch of orcs!
How cool is he now?

And Gimli is still able to breathe as loud as he wants to!

haha...good one!

Yeah, only cause that Agent Smith told him to...Mr. Anderson!

Okay, um, no!!! Would you rather hide out and be immortal or go into battle and actual taste all that life has to offer?

Yes, however, the elves have thousands of years to train. They should be kicka$s at every form of combat known to elf, man, loudly breathing dwarves, orc, or anything else!

What I say? I'm serious, man, those elves should be like masters of every form of combat, right? I mean you hand them a weapon, they should no exactly how to use it!

Pick up another weapon! And, um...bring some friends that are also elves...or loudly breathing dwarves...or firemen!!!

Weren't they actually outnumbered a whole lot more than that, though?

Still...they need to man up...and not go dying all over the place!

Too ornate, some of them, I collect blades! But some of them are cool!

Um yeah! No, Mr. Witty, knives and swords! I have roughly 250 or so now!

I even stupidly bought what I thought would be a cool replica of "Sting" Frodos sword? Not as cool as I thought!

Yeah, but let the "cutting" begin! Kidding! I have always liked blades!

I used to be involved (not proud of it either) with gangs when I lived in New Orleans...many Asian gangs. They like knives...so....you do the math! I am not saying exactly what!

I am as white as I can get!

Not that white! I am actually pretty tan! Plus, I ain't no good-ol'boy! I'm a city boy, born and bred!

Don't forget that!

Yeah, contribute to the "new loincloth" fund!

Too late! Someone already told me to put on some more clothes! Awww man!!
And then someone showed me how to properly prepare a stapler! What's taters, Precious?

So juicy sweeeeeeeeettttt!

haldir did NOT die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you call yourselves fans?! any dedicated fan would have read the books and known the ELVES DONT COME TO HELMS DEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!call yourselves fans?! hmph, im leaving

Easy killer!!!! Hey, lotrluver, is it? The guy was a dork! Look at the title of the thread! And he died...he died....he died! Peter Jackson didn't read the books then did he? Because Haldir...dies...he gets chopped up by Uruk-hai!!!

well..its more like stabbed but we get the idea. and yes we know that in the book he doesn't die. in the book he doesn't do much of anything. and like TearUUp said, take it easy. though i guess you are living up to you namesake, lotrluver.

Hey, I like the movies and the books too...but I can't rewrite any of it! It all happened!!! The guy died for a reason...and that is because PJ said so! Tolkien might have a fit about it...if he were in this forum...maybe lotrluver is Tolkien in disguise?

uh...i'm fairly sure tolkien's dead, bless his soul.

No he's not...he is alive in this forum!!!! Foolin'! I know he's dead, but that was
a what if scenario!!! Maybe he has been reincarnated?! If you believe in that sort of thing!

you think you are wise tearup, but from all your suttleties you know nothing. haldir is alive wether you like it or not. you live n the movie world, to you new zealand is middle earth, yet i, a true tolkien fan, live in middle earth nd am a hater of peter jacksom!

hmm...no...i don't think a true lotr lover would hate peter jackson because they would know that PJ got the heart of the story right...he just had to mess up the details. the book is far to complicated to get perfect on screen.
if you were being sarcastic then ignore this post.

Wowwwwwwwwww I feel the love in here!! *leaves quickly*

Aren't there some rules how to spell English words correctly?

Honestly, I consider this "u, ur" gibberish an affront to a great language.

thats just how people talk on aim..and since they're aren't any rules on writing here, it carries over into the forums...i try not to use it...

I only use the 'u, ur' stuff when i am in a hurry.
And woah *throws a bucket of cold water over lotrluver* chill! How would you like to make a movie with ever single detail in it? Do you know how much work went into those movies? ever watched the dvds? one miniature took 7 months to make and was on screen for something like 3 seconds. Thats how dedicated he was. Think before you speak (or type)!
just my opinion!

i never said that a true tolkien fan ould hate peter jackson, i am just saying that this praticular tolkien fan happens to hate peter jackson.

yes but WHY do you hate peter jackson?????

because he cut out tom bombadil, he killed haldir, he cut out beregond, he cut out faramir and eowyen falling in love, he put in aragorn and arwen in love who are only breifly mentioned in rotk, and made sam and rodo split up in mordor. now i dont hate the man on all accounts, but as director of lotr, he could have done a muchbetter job on the movies. i do love him because he made the movies and got the most dedicated actor yo could have in the universe to play king elessar, king of gondor. of course the movies had only been made in cartoons before it because people thought it was impossible and it was without state of the art special effects, and actors like viggo. he made a good decision on chossing orlando bloom, dominic Monaghan, billy boyd, elijah wood, and sometimes sean astin, who are all hot actors that needed a HUGE movie to star in, and boy was it HUGE. i mean, the amount of orlando bllom fans has multiplied itself by a jillion and two from lotr, th movies have become more famous and blah de blah de blah, but my point is that i have a stong opinion as to why he was evil because i dont know about you guys but haldir is my favorite character and dont ask me why because you are not always told the answer in life, because life's not easy and you just got to live with it man! and something that i saw on a sign today, I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG! any questions.


Do i make myself clear?! bye, im leaving

uh...what's up with people and Haldir anyway?? anywho
personally those things you mentioned are all details...which, in the long run aren't that important. what is important is that he got the heart of the story right. in fact, he got it perfectly. i doubt anyone could have done them better. and rest assured they will probably have Faramir and Eowyn falling in love in the EE release of ROTK. you must also realize that some things simply had to be cut, due to time constraints and complexity of story...and it is a very complex story.
of course this is just my opinion, which happens to differ with yours.

You can't put Lord of the Rings on screen as it was written in the book. It's impossible. Peter Jackson doesn't say that the movie is JRR Tolkein's Lord of the Rings. He says that it is "based" on the book. Movie makers have to cut and paste, and sometimes re write for it to be good on screen. LOTR lovers have to realize this. Enjoy the movie and book as two separate entities. Yes, we all wish some things were in the movies and other things weren't, but in the end I think Peter Jackson created three masterpieces. I agree with shadow, Peter Jackson really gave a lot of attention (the most important attention) to the heart of the story...Relationships. The only relationship that he didn't focus on was Eowyn and Faramir. Well, we didn't get to see Eowyn till the middle of TTT and we didn't meet Faramir till the end of TTT. The audience needed time to get to know the characters. Then the characters had to meet and fall in love. Come on, the movie would have to be soooo much longer for it to be believable. Otherwise people would be like, geesh, they fell in love fast!

Well said Shadow, and Heather

Jackson was inspired by Tolkien's works. But the movies are completely his.

Yeah, the movies were his way of showing his affection towards Tolkeins's works, but he injected some of his own style, personality and imagination into it at the same time.

The films were not just for people who have read LOTR, they were made for people to get their own understanding of Tolkein. How many people would not have read the books if the films weren't released? A fair amount I would imagine.

I think PJ altered the storyline/characters of the book so the small pocket of people who have read the books could create their own ideas, by merging the book and the films together, using one to understand the other a bit better.

Your right. He brought LOTR to millions of people who would never had known it. He packaged it in a way that it was desirable to people who would not be typically interested.

NOT INTERESTED, BESIDES, THIS IS NOT EVEN ABOUT WHAT PETER JACKSON TOOK OUT, IT'S WHAT HE PUT IN.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HE KILLED HALDIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!REMOVED FOR INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT ALDIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO GAVE HIM THE RIGHT TO KILL HALDIR IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT TOLKIEN, AND NOT ONLY DO I SPEAK UP FOR MYSELF, I SPEAK UP FOR TOLKIEN HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT CARE HOW MUCH EFFORT WEN T INTO THE MOVIES, I CARE ABOUT THAT FAT,<REMOVED > WHO KILLED HALDIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <REMOVED FOR INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT >

lotrluver, if you need to show your anger, please visit the flamer's ward. Such uncivilized posts do not belong here. If you have an issue with a particular poster, please pm him/her.

Thank you.

i think i need some more cold water to throw! lotrluver....its just a movie...dont burst a blood vessel over it...sheesh!
and have you become Tolkien or something...because personally, i dont think he would have minded PJ cutting out a few scenes of making changes, he wouldnt have had a massave rage and tried to kill him...which is sorta what you are doing so just be calm...take deeeeeep breaths...

Like I have said many a time, it was PJ's interpretation, which he used to make the films to his liking, and many others including me. It was adapted from the parent material Tolkein's Lord of the Rings, but it was never meant to be the exact same.

Yeah, um, I don't think i've ever seen someone get so upset about a story. PJ MUST have had a good reason to kill haldir and stuff. i mean, it probably wasn't just something that occured to him while he was lying in bed at night.

The point is, it is just a movie, he still has the book.

i'm still confused...what the bloody heck is up with Haldir. he is hardly a major character in the book, same with the movies....ah well whatever.

Thats what i was thinking...and lotrluver has said she/he was leaving afew times now...why hasnt she left?

I think Tolkein is the Shakespeare of his time (just not as fast at writing ) and PJ is the Baz Lurhmann doing the adapting to film (did anyone complain about him using guns as swords?)

Wow...I haven't visited this thread for a while...very humorous!!!

lotrluver prolly hasnt left because she/he thinks that he/she hasnt gotten her/his point across. I've been there, done that, exact sam thing. you just dont leave if you wanna prove your point and it hasnt been done yet. (if you wanna see my explosion, go to the "we hate orlando bloom club" forum)