Bush Is On The Same Path Of Hitler

Post-9/11 Era Forum

The End?Or Only The End Of The Beginning???????

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps,
the end of the beginning."

The famous words of Winston Churchill of course but are these words just as relevant,perhaps even more so, today than back then??

If we follow the Second World War timetable then we are only at the point at which Hitler invaded and over ran Czechoslovakia. There,as you all remember,Sudetan Germans lined the streets just as Shi'ite Muslims line the streets of Baghdad today.
This was also the point that the League of Nations was shown to be impotent and powerless,today we see the UN in the same position.

Following Hitler's invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938 there was a short pause and consolidation before Germany pushed into Poland in Sept 1939,the point at which the world had drawn a line.
How many of us, Pro-War and Anti-War, fully expect Bush to take advantage of the present situation and move on into either Syria,Iran,or North Korea?
If we follow the WW2 timeline then it will be at this point,attacking another nation,that France,Germany,Russia,and China will stand against the USA.I doubt very much if the UK will still be standing shoulder to shoulder with the USA if they pick another target.

This was the reason getting International consensus was so important.

Anyway,I have noticed not a small amount of euphoria,even gloating from those who feel vindicated by recent pictures from Iraq. So,perhaps,it is timely to remind posters here of another famous quote by Winston Churchill.

"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.
History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it."

Also, I challenge everybody in the forum to read about Hitlers early years of power, they resemble George Bush very much, truly scary

Oh please. The Bush/Hitler comparison that I have heard people make is less than weak, it's pathetic. You give me one thing that they have in common, and I'll fire 15 back at you that they do not. You could probably link Bush to Gandi just as easily as Hitler. Ok, maybe not . You get the point though.

what's truly scary is that people like you are allowed to roam free amongst other human beings.

i know your anti war arguments are weak, but i didn't realize they were this weak.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Search4Truth
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[QUOTE]The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely reported in the corporate media. But the Germans remembered well that fateful day seventy years ago - February 27, 1933. They commemorated the anniversary by joining in demonstrations for peace that mobilized citizens all across the world.

It started when the government, in the midst of a worldwide economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist; the most recent research implies they did not.) But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted. He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world. His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones.

Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his response. When an aide brought him word that the nation's most prestigious building was ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who had struck and then rushed to the scene and called a press conference.

"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history," he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. "This fire," he said, his voice trembling with emotion, "is the beginning." He used the occasion - "a sign from God," he called it - to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their evil deeds in their religion.

Two weeks later, the first detention center for terrorists was built in Oranianberg to hold the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the leader's flag was everywhere, even printed large in newspapers suitable for window display.

Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people's homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

To get his patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State" passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained. Legislators would later say they hadn't had time to read the bill before voting on it.

Immediately after passage of the anti-terrorism act, his federal police agencies stepped up their program of arresting suspicious persons and holding them without access to lawyers or courts. In the first year only a few hundred were interred, and those who objected were largely ignored by the mainstream press, which was afraid to offend and thus lose access to a leader with such high popularity ratings. Citizens who protested the leader in public - and there were many - quickly found themselves confronting the newly empowered police's batons, gas, and jail cells, or fenced off in protest zones safely out of earshot of the leader's public speeches. (In the meantime, he was taking almost daily lessons in public speaking, learning to control his tonality, gestures, and facial expressions. He became a very competent orator.)

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in the introduction to a 1934 speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will." As hoped, people's hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us.

Playing on this new nationalism, and exploiting a disagreement with the French over his increasing militarism, he argued that any international body that didn't act first and foremost in the best interest of his own nation was neither relevant nor useful. He thus withdrew his country from the League Of Nations in October, 1933, and then negotiated a separate naval armaments agreement with Anthony Eden of The United Kingdom to create a worldwide military ruling elite.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Search4Truth
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His propaganda minister orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people that he was a deeply religious man and that his motivations were rooted in Christianity. He even proclaimed the need for a revival of the Christian faith across his nation, what he called a "New Christianity." Every man in his rapidly growing army wore a belt buckle that declared "Gott Mit Uns" - God Is With Us - and most of them fervently believed it was true.


Within a year of the terrorist attack, the nation's leader determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, particularly those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist and communist sympathizers, and various troublesome "intellectuals" and "liberals." He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the homeland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single leader.

He appointed one of his most trusted associates to be leader of this new agency, the Central Security Office for the homeland, and gave it a role in the government equal to the other major departments.

His assistant who dealt with the press noted that, since the terrorist attack, "Radio and press are at out disposal." Those voices questioning the legitimacy of their nation's leader, or raising questions about his checkered past, had by now faded from the public's recollection as his central security office began advertising a program encouraging people to phone in tips about suspicious neighbors. This program was so successful that the names of some of the people "denounced" were soon being broadcast on radio stations. Those denounced often included opposition politicians and celebrities who dared speak out - a favorite target of his regime and the media he now controlled through intimidation and ownership by corporate allies.


To consolidate his power, he concluded that government alone wasn't enough. He reached out to industry and forged an alliance, bringing former executives of the nation's largest corporations into high government positions. A flood of government money poured into corporate coffers to fight the war against the Middle Eastern ancestry terrorists lurking within the homeland, and to prepare for wars overseas. He encouraged large corporations friendly to him to acquire media outlets and other industrial concerns across the nation, particularly those previously owned by suspicious people of Middle Eastern ancestry. He built powerful alliances with industry; one corporate ally got the lucrative contract worth millions to build the first large-scale detention center for enemies of the state. Soon more would follow. Industry flourished.

But after an interval of peace following the terrorist attack, voices of dissent again arose within and without the government. Students had started an active program opposing him (later known as the White Rose Society), and leaders of nearby nations were speaking out against his bellicose rhetoric. He needed a diversion, something to direct people away from the corporate cronyism being exposed in his own government, questions of his possibly illegitimate rise to power, and the oft-voiced concerns of civil libertarians about the people being held in detention without due process or access to attorneys or family.

With his number two man - a master at manipulating the media - he began a campaign to convince the people of the nation that a small, limited war was necessary. Another nation was harboring many of the suspicious Middle Eastern people, and even though its connection with the terrorist who had set afire the nation's most important building was tenuous at best, it held resources their nation badly needed if they were to have room to live and maintain their prosperity. He called a press conference and publicly delivered an ultimatum to the leader of the other nation, provoking an international uproar. He claimed the right to strike preemptively in self-defense, and nations across Europe - at first - denounced him for it, pointing out that it was a doctrine only claimed in the past by nations seeking worldwide empire, like Caesar's Rome or Alexander's Greece.

It took a few months, and intense international debate and lobbying with European nations, but, after he personally met with the leader of the United Kingdom, finally a deal was struck. After the military action began, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain told the nervous British people that giving in to this leader's new first-strike doctrine would bring "peace for our time." Thus Hitler annexed Austria in a lightning move, riding a wave of popular support as leaders so often do in times of war. The Austrian government was unseated and replaced by a new leadership friendly to Germany, and German corporations began to take over Austrian resources.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Search4Truth
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In a speech responding to critics of the invasion, Hitler said, "Certain foreign newspapers have said that we fell on Austria with brutal methods. I can only say; even in death they cannot stop lying. I have in the course of my political struggle won much love from my people, but when I crossed the former frontier [into Austria] there met me such a stream of love as I have never experienced. Not as tyrants have we come, but as liberators."

To deal with those who dissented from his policies, at the advice of his politically savvy advisors, he and his handmaidens in the press began a campaign to equate him and his policies with patriotism and the nation itself. National unity was essential, they said, to ensure that the terrorists or their sponsors didn't think they'd succeeded in splitting the nation or weakening its will. In times of war, they said, there could be only "one people, one nation, and one commander-in-chief" ("Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer"), and so his advocates in the media began a nationwide campaign charging that critics of his policies were attacking the nation itself. Those questioning him were labeled "anti-German" or "not good Germans," and it was suggested they were aiding the enemies of the state by failing in the patriotic necessity of supporting the nation's valiant men in uniform. It was one of his most effective ways to stifle dissent and pit wage-earning people (from whom most of the army came) against the "intellectuals and liberals" who were critical of his policies.

Nonetheless, once the "small war" annexation of Austria was successfully and quickly completed, and peace returned, voices of opposition were again raised in the Homeland. The almost-daily release of news bulletins about the dangers of terrorist communist cells wasn't enough to rouse the populace and totally suppress dissent. A full-out war was necessary to divert public attention from the growing rumbles within the country about disappearing dissidents; violence against liberals, Jews, and union leaders; and the epidemic of crony capitalism that was producing empires of wealth in the corporate sector but threatening the middle class's way of life.

A year later, to the week, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia; the nation was now fully at war, and all internal dissent was suppressed in the name of national security. It was the end of Germany's first experiment with democracy.

As we conclude this review of history, there are a few milestones worth remembering.

February 27, 2003, was the 70th anniversary of Dutch terrorist Marinus van der Lubbe's successful firebombing of the German Parliament (Reichstag) building, the terrorist act that catapulted Hitler to legitimacy and reshaped the German constitution. By the time of his successful and brief action to seize Austria, in which almost no German blood was shed, Hitler was the most beloved and popular leader in the history of his nation. Hailed around the world, he was later Time magazine's "Man Of The Year."

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Search4Truth
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Most Americans remember his office for the security of the homeland, known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and its SchutzStaffel, simply by its most famous agency's initials: the SS.

We also remember that the Germans developed a new form of highly violent warfare they named "lightning war" or blitzkrieg, which, while generating devastating civilian losses, also produced a highly desirable "shock and awe" among the nation's leadership according to the authors of the 1996 book "Shock And Awe" published by the National Defense University Press.

Reflecting on that time, The American Heritage Dictionary (Houghton Mifflin Company, 1983) left us this definition of the form of government the German democracy had become through Hitler's close alliance with the largest German corporations and his policy of using war as a tool to keep power: "fas-cism (fbsh'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

Today, as we face financial and political crises, it's useful to remember that the ravages of the Great Depression hit Germany and the United States alike. Through the 1930s, however, Hitler and Roosevelt chose very different courses to bring their nations back to power and prosperity.

Germany's response was to use government to empower corporations and reward the society's richest individuals, privatize much of the commons, stifle dissent, strip people of constitutional rights, and create an illusion of prosperity through continual and ever-expanding war. America passed minimum wage laws to raise the middle class, enforced anti-trust laws to diminish the power of corporations, increased taxes on corporations and the wealthiest individuals, created Social Security, and became the employer of last resort through programs to build national infrastructure, promote the arts, and replant forests.

To the extent that our Constitution is still intact, the choice is again ours.

Tomm Hartmann

yea this is just the beginning. and the thing that triggered it was 9-11. They will make sure it wont happen again. and any country that is a susspect is going down in flames. that is how the USA is. No more apologising. time to step up to the plate.

I bet if Bush gets out of office the same thing will happen with the next President. I think it's the USA in general. Not just Bush. It's Congress, they approved it but you guys blame everything on Bush. I Hope we get another President that is the same way. Conservitive as Hell and not a Freakin Left winger. Please God
not a left Winger!! Then the USA will fall in flames as long as we have a dam* liberal in the White house. like Hillary Clinton or somthing like that. We need to stay a super power and be a super power as long as possible.
and your links are rediculous..... and very entertaining! Anything to keep the Anti War Propoganda going!! I also heard about the USA freezing bodies of soldiers ! lmao! heard that one from nowar.

Bush and the united states and her allies did good by what they have done to saddam. 12 yrs of diplomacy is over. now is time to deal with these rouge countries before 9/11 happens again or something may be alot worse. Half of you all are here to just argue and only a percent, small percent who really have a brain. All the bullsh.. aside what we are doing in iraq is good both for the iraqii people and for the world. And at the same time we put a message to the rest of the rougue countries and dictaters we are not afraid to attack you and kill you so get your crap together, or if you attack us except to DIE.

Search4Thruth if you think about it, you are in a sense like Hitler. I bet you'd love to get a bunch of Americans in an oven.

when we find the other terriost and countries that support them we will deal with them also. Good will overcome bad anytime. Terriosm is bad and needs to be stopped and any country backing terriosm should also be taken care of, wich will be done in time. Were done wiating for something to happen so elliminate the problim and it dont exist. Plain and simple and as far as rougue probly charges brought up by ignort people like you or other rougue and terriost backeing countries. Instead of pointing the finger at the us go ask the thousands of people looking at mass grave sites, torture chambers, hall of records or were ever the iraqiis can to try to find there dead killed by saddam and his regime. If whoever brought up these phoney charges want to ask someone about war crimes ask the thousands of iraqiis familys who members were slaughtered by saddam and his henchmen. who has got brains and who has **** for brains seems to me the dumb asses who brought up these phoney charges need to look at. And if this comminity really cared about human rights where were they when all of this was happening to iraqs people.....probly sipping beer and eating hotdogs.........lol.... i got one thing for your phoney charges and that is kiss my RED, WHITE AND BLUE

It is amusing to see the argumentation, logic and proof from one side and absolutely nothing of the kind from the other, simpleton side, able nevertheless to insert pictures to their posts. Is it a self-portrait, Rambo-kid?

Originally posted by mtliveingtree
when we find the other terriost and countries that support them we will deal with them also. Good will overcome bad anytime.

I can't make it any simpler: America was prosecuted by the International Criminal Court for terrorism? The USA has been found guilty of being a rogue state. It ignored the ruling because it can ignore anything it chooses to ignore and the US media just forgot to tell Ameicans the news.

Originally posted by mtliveingtree
If whoever brought up these phoney charges...

It is not a phoney charge. America is a rogue state and guilty of terrorism. You can keep repeating what you're saying and burying your head in the sand but it doens't change the truth.

the only person who would think that crap would be a simple minded org like you DaveDumb. You are obviously not from uisa from your dumb remarks in your threads, And probly not to bright either but to help your small mind any country that doesnt beleive in the usa or her policies would be the only people ignorant enough to beleive that crap. The usa has helped and continues to help any country needing it all through the beginning of the usa. Theres a disaster or catastrophy that comes along. the usa is there. Saddam came along so our boys put there lives on the line to insure all the killing,tortureing,beatings be stopped. A dictater that builds 50 palaces while his country starves and suffers, has a multi-million dollar car collection,6 billion and 680 million in us currency, and gold stashed, should i go on and while he is getting richer his country is dieing and needed help from underneith saddam. Now as you can see on all channels of tv millions flauk to holy city, something they havent done in years, thks to usa/uk and allies again.. saddam wouldnt allow his people even the freedom of religion Just a simple thankyou will do to our servicemen will do

Ahoy Rambo,

I think DaveDom is the only bloke who's making any sense here. Your arguments are as thick as treacle and as stimulating as a Micky Mouse handshake.

You defend that witless wonder, Bush, with your patriotic shield. You uptalk those licenced fools in the White House without a hint of scepticism. You appear to have crawled from the same mould as millions of other brainwashed and unquestioning Americans. DaveDom has run circles around you, judging by the thread I have just brained.

You advertise your flag like a church window, because you are unsure of what you are and need constant reassurance. Your president does imbecility with utter competence, and that corpse on acid, Rumsfeld, hasn't got over Nixon yet, and still thinks it's 1972 - probably still thinks the US is fighting Vietnam: it's all the same to a mental invalid.

Well, God bless those Bible-bashing, right wing, neo-neo Conservative rent a mob that is currently soiling the White House (should now be called Shite House, what with all those discoloured stains that your evangelical regime has left in its clumsy wake)

You unsceptical Americans certainly enjoy your illusions.

“Intelligent scepticism is the ballast in one's thinking. It helps to maintain a sense of equilibrium during our mental odyssey across the numerous stormy political oceans that we shall encounter during our life time. Without such ballast we are likely to capsize either to the extreme left or the extreme right, resulting in the stagnation of our mental momentum. Of course the buoyant upright position (healthy scepticism) enables one to instinctively sway moderately from the left to the right during our mental journey, propelling our minds forever forwards and thus avoiding being shipwrecked on those morbid islands that dwell on the extremes of existence, where one’s cries fall prey to the talons of utter remoteness.”

From a 21st-century talented Oxfordian.
Preston

Ahoy Preston,

Do you see this cactus shown below?


http://www.lawtonok.com/images/cactus.jpg


I want you to take that cactus, along with your delusional dialogue, and shove it... deep and far up your tight blistered tooth fairy a*ss.

Ahoy Rambo,

That catus will always remind me of you: green, mentally dehydrated, ensconced in sandy foundations, isolated, monotone, ugly and alien.

Keep the photographs flowing, David Bailey.

Preston.

PS just as a side thought, were you made in Texas? You seem to convey all the typical Texan traits: open-mindedness, your willingness to admit that you're wrong, your love of foreigners and your enthusiasm for intelligent debate - not!

Ahoy Whatever your name is,

So if the USA is so benevolent and altruistic (as if there is such a thing!), let's see its army invade Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, and all the other silly dictators that they use as mercenaries. Dicatatorships that do not permit a secularised society, unlike Iraq, which was a secular society under Hussein (one the few interesting aspects of the Baath Party). Perhaps you approve of men having their hands chopped off and women beheaded in those Middle Eastern countries that the US is currently bribing. The USA is nothing more than a parasite, interested only in regions where there is economic gain - the liberation aspect is merely a masque, which you are aware of really, but daren't admit to because you'll be seen to being anti-patriotic (McCarthyism strikes the paranoid US again).
Your country has the gall to establish democracy in other parts of the world when it cannot even organise the "D" word in its own country. Oh, yes, you're allowed freedom of speech so long as what you say it what the majority wants to hear, or else you'll be deemed to be a Communist or some other futile nom de plume (sorry, you Planks don't do French, do you?).
What bothers me is not the fact that the US has become the new Jeckyll and Hyde of world politics, but the fact that we cannot discern when the US is being Jeckyll and when it is being Hyde.
DaveDom appeared to tie you up in knots with your standard American responses to his objective remarks. I suggest you go back to Disneyland where your cartoon-like political statements wouldn't be seen to be out of place amid five year olds.
Perhaps we'll now see the "US" weapons' inspectors go into Iraq and plant evidence to justify the invasion. The US acting as judge, jury and executioner.
It's called imperialism.

Preston.

If think of you... this is what I picture:

Ahoy Rambo,

You shouldn't put pictures from your mother's family album on the net. I mean, you don't want the whole world knowing that your dad injects ice cream into his veins.

Preston.

If think of you... this is what I picture:

Ahoy Rambo,

I don't think it's a good idea putting photographs from your mother's album on the net. I mean, you don't want the whole knowing about your dad's ice cream addiction, do you?

Preston.

Ahoy NumbSkull,

Your post is full of nothing but dirty toilet water, but there are a couple remarks that I'll waste time commenting on.

Ahoy Rambo, geezer,

You're really not the sharpest arrow in the quiver, are you? What, with all the expletives and rash responses just because your arguement is as flimsly as fly paper. Oh, well, stick to the illusions, buster, because that's what your nation is built upon.

Preston.

hey preston did you forget something when you wrote you thread.............................................LIKE A BRAIN........KISS MY RED, WHITE AND BLUE and if you think you can do better but doudtful but if you can why arent you? JUst dont forget your brain that day..............lmrwbao