My Apoligies i was wrong about Israel |
| Posted by: marc1888 | | It seems that i have been wrong for a long time and i really must apoligise... I am not anti war and never have been. I have however have always been anti a goverment who uses its military to attack and liquidate civilians whether it be the british in the North of Ireland or the Apartheid regime in South Africa. It seems though i have been misled about Israel and what really goes on. It seems that like Israel, Britain and Nazi Germany it is ok to kill civilians as long as you do it by a goverment of legally elected officials. For example for Hitler, Sharon and Margaret Thatcher to kill civilians with tanks or machineguns etc is entirely fair and legitimate. However those scandalous thug loving terrorists who throw stones, fight back and things really deserve to be deprived of life. For people who think its wrong for goverments to kill their unarmed opponents who are normally demanding silly things like rights or justice you are just naive and
influenced by naive people who are probably homosexual drug addicts from San Francisco.
Again i must apologise. The legitamacy of a democratic election rights all wrongs. Violence is ok as long as its done by the people who win the elections... Fried Democrat anyone? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: MARCUS | |
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Originally posted by marc1888
It seems that i have been wrong for a long time and i really must apoligise... I am not anti war and never have been. I have however have always been anti a goverment who uses its military to attack and liquidate civilians whether it be the british in the North of Ireland or the Apartheid regime in South Africa. It seems though i have been misled about Israel and what really goes on. It seems that like Israel, Britain and Nazi Germany it is ok to kill civilians as long as you do it by a goverment of legally elected officials. For example for Hitler, Sharon and Margaret Thatcher to kill civilians with tanks or machineguns etc is entirely fair and legitimate. However those scandalous thug loving terrorists who throw stones, fight back and things really deserve to be deprived of life. For people who think its wrong for goverments to kill their unarmed opponents who are normally demanding silly things like rights or justice you are just naive and
influenced by naive people who are probably homosexual drug addicts from San Francisco.
Again i must apologise. The legitamacy of a democratic election rights all wrongs. Violence is ok as long as its done by the people who win the elections... Fried Democrat anyone? |
you couldn't be more wrong. What went on with Thacther i do not know, but i can guarantee you that nothing gets to the degrees of ol' Adulf. i've been to poland and i've seen everything. you seem to forget that many of the israeli action are driven parimeraly by defense acts- a long chain of suicide bombers manifest from gaza, for example, then they cant just sit back and do nothing! they have to get to the roote of the problem, and destroy it. but what Hitler did is much more farfetched, it is a sick, utopian vision of a lunatic. if you're pro israel or not, that is a deadhard fact! then please, don't put Sharon in the same shoes Hitler wears, because that is downright irational! that's it. thank you. good day
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| Posted by: marc1888 | |
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Originally posted by MARCUS
"you couldn't be more wrong. What went on with Thacther i do not know, but i can guarantee you that nothing gets to the degrees of ol' Adulf."
Maybe not the severity but the barbarism is the same. The contempt for other human beings to the point of murder and the racist ideology of zionism certainly looks like Facism to me...
"i've been to poland and i've seen everything. you seem to forget that many of the israeli action are driven parimeraly by defense acts- a long chain of suicide bombers manifest from gaza, for example, then they cant just sit back and do nothing! they have to get to the roote of the problem, and destroy it. "
As you have been to Poland im sure you will know that mans inhumanity to man is an evil thing. I cant however understand your hypocrisy in regards to Israel. Israels actions are in self defence are they well please answer me this... Dr Baruch Goldstein enters a mosque in 1994 and shoots and kills 29 people in the back. The first Suicide bombing happened 40 days later on April 6 1994 when 9 people were killed in the village of Afula. My question is simple... Israel formed in 1948, How are you defending yourself against suicide bombings when for 46 years when you attacked and stole arab land there was NO suicide bombings...?
"but what Hitler did is much more farfetched, it is a sick, utopian vision of a lunatic."
Ok Hitler wanted Lebensraum or Living Space. Israel wants Eretz Yisrael or Living Space. Nazism promoted one race over an other Zionism promotes one race over an other. Hitler believed in preserving Germany for Aryan Germans. Israel believes in preserving Israel for Judaism... Hitler Murdered innocent people because of racist hatred... Sharon murders people because of Racist Hatred. Germany murdered as the world turned a blind eye. Israel murders by ignoring the world and having America veto everything which would condemn it... I can see similarities and your kidding yourself marcus if you cant...
"if you're pro israel or not, that is a deadhard fact! then please, don't put Sharon in the same shoes Hitler wears, because that is downright irational! that's it. thank you. good day "
I believe Israel has a right to exist and live in peace with its neighbors. I believe that Israel has a right to occupy all land taken before 1967. I believe Israel has a right to defend itself... I dont believe Israel has the right to kill at will because it believes the world will ignore... What Israel does in the West Bank and Gaza creates suicide bombers. When you take away hope people have nothing... If its Israel's plan to perform ethnic cleansing on the Palestinians then by all means keep doing what they are doing. Justice will prevail and Israel will die. They may however take the rest of the world with them...
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| Posted by: Anti-Jihad | |
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Originally posted by marc1888
I believe Israel has a right to exist and live in peace with its neighbors. I believe that Israel has a right to occupy all land taken before 1967. I believe Israel has a right to defend itself... I dont believe Israel has the right to kill at will because it believes the world will ignore... What Israel does in the West Bank and Gaza creates suicide bombers. When you take away hope people have nothing... If its Israel's plan to perform ethnic cleansing on the Palestinians then by all means keep doing what they are doing. Justice will prevail and Israel will die. They may however take the rest of the world with them...
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You think Israel simply enters the West Bank for fun? Just because it wants to kill some Palestinian children and women? Ruin some houses to make the city look better?
You should understand that the IDF soldiers have the reason to enter the West Bank. It's not going that way: IDF forces enter the West Bank first for no reason and because of that all the suicide bombing started and continues as long as they keep entering.
IDF enters the West Bank after a suicide bombing has been committed or after numerous attempts have been tried. You don't know it, because no NEWS network in the world has the time or the space to report it - EVERY DAY there are numerous attempts to invade the Israeli territories and commit suicide/shooting acts against Israeli citizens. EVERY DAY 5-10 or even more Palestinians armed with guns and/or grenades and/or explosive belts cross the border. The ONLY reason why IDF is there is to prevent it. If they weren't defending the borders and stopping the 'wanna-be' terrorists there would be several suicid acts every day. Every day they get new intelligence reports about planned attacks, they go in and try to arrest them and/or destroy the explosives 'factories'. (reports from Israeli-Arabs, Palestinians who are against the suicide acts and Israeli intelligence) but when they go in, they usually get resistance from Palestinians who NOT only throw rocks and burning bottles at them, but also shoot with machine guns and snipers (and believe me, there ARE Palestinian snipers and machine gunners, for example the Palestinian sniper who (perhaps accidentally) killer a 10 month old Israeli baby girl when he aimed supposedly at her father) as a result these buildings that are probably unoccupied by the Palestinian civilians get destroyed by Israeli tractors so that no snipers/machinegunners will be shooting them from there.
Unfortunately, people in the world don't see the whole picture, and even Palestinians think or get brainwashed that IDF enter the West Bank to kill civilians. They don't really see Israel's side. Once they see Israel's side, there will be a chance to stop the conflict.
Israel doesn't want to take away the hope of Palestinians. Israel and US transferred money to aid the Palestinian people. I believe this money went somewhere else the moment it got to Arafat's hands.
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| Posted by: MARCUS | |
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Originally posted by marc1888
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Marc, you don't seem to understand. you seem like a bright guy, but you have a defenet problem of understanding the situation. And i don't blame you, i blame the world media. Your only fault is not listening to people who live around the whole sciene, such as me and ANTI-JIHAD. The Baruch Goldstein incident is a defenet black mark, and i will not try to justify his actions, because he was wrong. More then that, he was stupied and ignorant. But marc. you were talking about how the palastinains have no hope, and that is why they do the things they do. By using the Goldsein ace cad you just proved how the israelies don't see any hope either! And i as an israeli, And i'm sure Anti Jihad can back me up (forgive me for pulling you into this, Anti Jihad) that there really is no hope! We live in a constant fear of suicide bobmbers, gunners, explosive cars, all the time! I'm 16 years old and i already know 3 people who died, aproximitly my age, and many more who were hurt severly! and i know what you're going to say- "but what about all those poor palastinans who suffer from the IDF all the time"- well, if they had some witts in their heads, they would stop this holy war, thus not giving IDF a reason to harm them. And you know what Marc? If the IDF keeps badering them after that too, then i'll eat my hat and i'll be ashamed to call myself an israeli. But untill the palsatinians don't show even an ounce of effort for stopping this blood cycle, i will not stand here and accept your allegations reffering to israel. Sorry, bucko, no game. You can give me a million cases where israel has commited crimes agasint palastinians, but i can always give you more crimes the palastians commited agaisnt israelies."you want the truth, you can't handle the truth". and Marc, you can't handle the truth. I'm really sorry to be the one to brake you that, but it's true. You see only the crimes commited by israel, but never to israel. sorry. thank you. good day
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| Posted by: nowar | | my first and last post here:
I just want your opinion on the following:
who received the Peace Nobel Price in 1994 and for what ?
who killed Yitzhak Rabin in 1995 ?
how it was going till 1995 ?
who voted for Benyamin Nétanyahou in 1996 ?
who voted for Sharon ?
what did they have made in regard of what had been done till 1995 ?
The truth ? both side are to blame for that blood cycle ..... and I doubt the roadmap will succeed .....
by the way, this roadmap has not only been made by US gov - just a comment to some thinking that it's only US gov which did it - | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: NothingSacred | | BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO Marc1888!!!
The light bulb has been switched on!!! | | Reply To this Message
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