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Posted by: malcolm xx

arabs want support for palestianians but the ARAB LEAGUE has done nothing about the ARABS KILLING in SUDAN

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Posted by: Inner City Blues

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malcolm xx said this in post #1 :
arabs want support for palestianians but the ARAB LEAGUE has done nothing about the ARABS KILLING in SUDAN


Very true, but this is a world hypocrisy about Sudan too. They run into some countries for "humanitarian" reasons, when there are so many other countries where the smell of death pervades the air.

But for a lot of these Arab countries, Israel is a scapegoat so the people will never focus on the domestic problems their countries face. Like why am I always going to be poor, while a few rich oil families rule the country with an iron fist.
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Posted by: malcolm xx

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Inner City Blue said this in post #2 :


Very true, but this is a world hypocrisy about Sudan too. They run into some countries for "humanitarian" reasons, when there are so many other countries where the smell of death pervades the air.

But for a lot of these Arab countries, Israel is a scapegoat so the people will never focus on the domestic problems their countries face. Like why am I always going to be poor, while a few rich oil families rule the country with an iron fist.




AMEN! not to mention the nothern countries of AFRICA that were taken. this hypocracy makes it hard for me to keep defending palestians.
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Posted by: malcolm xx

The Arab League said the Sudanese gov needs more time to handle that massacre in Darfur ? Thousands of Africans dieing everyday by government supported ARABS and they tell us to have patience? The Arab gov is no better than Israel's

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Posted by: devildog

Christians have been slaughtered by Muslims in Sudan for years. You won't find fellow Muslims condenm this act, or any other similar action. The answer is very simple for one who knows the Quran.

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Posted by: USA1

Islam = Locusts (covering the earth)

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Posted by: devildog

Is today" short and sweet" day?
Chirac= Anti-Christ
Islam= Locusts.

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Posted by: USA1

pretty much.

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Posted by: malcolm xx

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devildog said this in post #5 :
Christians have been slaughtered by Muslims in Sudan for years. You won't find fellow Muslims condenm this act, or any other similar action. The answer is very simple for one who knows the Quran.
BLACK christians have been slaughtered by Muslims but remember what religion is responsible for bringing BLACKS to this country? No Christian has the moral authority to criticize another religion.
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Posted by: devildog

Tell me, who is responsible for bringing slavery to this country. This should be rich.

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Posted by: MrJukoVette

Arabs are animals, especially african ones.

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Posted by: devildog

I would replace the word Muslim for Arab just to be fair. But you are correct. A good Muslim makes one a bad person and they display sub human behaviors time after time. But they are trapped in a false religion, and they are following their prophets example to a tee. It won't stop until we shed our ignorance of Islam. It is a war manifesto.

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Posted by: MrJukoVette

They publicly cut a man's **** after catching him with somebody else's wife. There is a video on the internet. Believe me, it looked nasty.

Remember, this is the twenty first damn century.

I support Bush 100%. Bomb the hell out of these bastards.

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Posted by: devildog

Unfortunately, the way they motivate Jihadists, bombing them will do little good. Islam must be exposed and rejected for what it is, just as Hitler's doctrine should have been. I support Bush as well but I wish he didn't lie to us about Islam being a peaceful religion. Truth is the most important weapon in our arsenal.

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Posted by: MrJukoVette

devildog i will let myself disagree about Islam being the problem. It's islamo-fascism, powered by fundamentalism and radicalism that causes the problems.

I think Bush knows very well where the problem lies. That's why he invaded Iraq. We have to change the region, and without a strong pro-american government we wont be able to do that.

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Posted by: antizionist2004

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devildog i will let myself disagree about Islam being the problem. It's islamo-fascism, powered by fundamentalism and radicalism that causes the problems.


Islam definitely is the root to all of the problems. The Arabs were a peaceful nation until Mohammed. There were no records of any violence of the Arab tribes. Mohammed and Islam corrupted those people. Since that time, Islam has been at war for the past 1400 years (except for 100 years of peace - till Ishaq's Sira was published). Today, all the least democratic and free nations are Islamic. They are the waste of this world. You think this is coincidence? You don't think that, perhaps every Arab nation has something in common? Think the suicide bombings in Israel and the ones motivated in Chechnya aren't following the same God? If Mohammed/Qussayy had never been born, the world would be a much more peaceful place today.
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Posted by: devildog

Vette, I suggest you read up on Islam. There aren't multiple versions. It is a call for war. Allah's last command was to kill every Non Muslim. To " wipe them out til the last". Fight until allah alone is worshiped. It tells them to burn bodies and cut off heads. It is exactly what Muhammed did! He cut off over 600 Jews heads in one day. They are told to follow his example and the only way to get to allah's whorehouse( paradise with rivers of wine and virgins) is to kill infidels. The terrorists are not twisting Islam in the slightest when they do what they do. Muhammed was a terrorist himself. He led 75 terrorist raids personally. So by being fixated on Bin laden or hussein or al sadr or whoever will do nothing. This is concentrating on the systems, not the source. Unfortunately, time will prove this correct. We can leave now with 900 deaths or we can wait until 9000. It doesn't matter. When we leave, it will be a Shi'ite democracy. More dangerous than Hussein. Believe me, it pains me to say that, being a political conservative but this is what we are up against. As long as we give Saudi 1 billion dollars a day to build schools, and Mosques that preach death to infidels, things will not change. How much longer until they get a nuclear bomb( Pakistan, Iran)? Will they use it? It's sad that this is going to be what is needed for people to pick up a book.

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Posted by: I use logic

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Inner City Blue said this in post #2 :


Very true, but this is a world hypocrisy about Sudan too. They run into some countries for "humanitarian" reasons, when there are so many other countries where the smell of death pervades the air.

But for a lot of these Arab countries, Israel is a scapegoat so the people will never focus on the domestic problems their countries face.


Exactly. Exactly right on.
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Posted by: malcolm xx

What about America's involement in this masscre? This country is building army bases in the horn shape region of Africa for some time. Could this country have done something sooner? I find out this country is rich in oil and Chevron planns to construct a pipe line running from south to north. This country has the resourses to produce 450 thousand barrels of oil a year! With this uderground wealth of that African contry , BLACKS should be more skeptical of the actions of this government.

This gov. using the media is trying to make something complex into a simple morality tale of ethinic cleansing and genocide. They gloss over the fact that the Janjaweed millitia come from the same ethnic group and religion as the people - everone inDarfur is black (look at the pictures). We are being shown staged "concerned" members of congress and the popular starving baby in Africa. why can't African countries get the same help as a Russia? what about the children of AFRICA? does anyone care?

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Posted by: DvsBlue

Many non-Muslims like antizionist and DevilDog on this forum believe Islam was spread by the sword and that violence was only attributed to the Arabs after our GREAT and TRUE Prophet. When they think about Islam, picture religious fanatics on camels with a sword in one hand and a Qur'an in the other. This MYTH, which was made popular in Europe during the Crusades, is totally baseless. First of all, the Holy Qur'an clearly says "Let there be no compulsion in religion". In addition to this, Islam teaches that a person's faith must be pure and sincere, so it is certainly not something that can be forced on someone. In debunking the myth that Islam was "spread by the sword", the (non-Muslim) historian De Lacy O' Leary wrote: "History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted." (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.). It should also be known that Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 800 years. During this time, and up to when they were finally forced out, the non-Muslims there were alive and flourishing. Additionally, Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries. Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan all have Christian and/or Jewish populations. If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long in the middle of the Islamic Empire? Additionally, if one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam from Spain and Morocco in the West to India and China in the East, one would realize that they were far too few to force people to be members of a religion against their will. Additionally, the great empire and civilization established by the Muslims had great staying power -- its citizens were proud to be part of it. The spread of Islam stands in contrast to the actions of the followers of Christianity, who since the time of the Emperor Constantine have made liberal use of the sword - often basing their conduct on Biblical verses. This was especially true of the colonization of South America and Africa, where native peoples were systematically wiped-out or forced to convert. It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic Empire, instead of destroying the religion, they adopted it. This is a unique occurrence in history - the conquerors adopting the religion of the conquered! Since they were the victors, they certainly could not have been forced to become Muslims! Ask any of the over one billion Muslims alive in the world today whether they were forced! The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia --- and there were never any battles fought there! So where was the sword? How could someone be forced to adhere to a spiritually rewarding and demanding religion like Islam?

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Posted by: DvsBlue

Many non-Muslims like antizionist and DevilDog on this forum believe Islam was spread by the sword and that violence was only attributed to the Arabs after our GREAT and TRUE Prophet. When they think about Islam, picture religious fanatics on camels with a sword in one hand and a Qur'an in the other. This MYTH, which was made popular in Europe during the Crusades, is totally baseless. First of all, the Holy Qur'an clearly says "Let there be no compulsion in religion". In addition to this, Islam teaches that a person's faith must be pure and sincere, so it is certainly not something that can be forced on someone. In debunking the myth that Islam was "spread by the sword", the (non-Muslim) historian De Lacy O' Leary wrote: "History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted." (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.). It should also be known that Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 800 years. During this time, and up to when they were finally forced out, the non-Muslims there were alive and flourishing. Additionally, Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries. Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan all have Christian and/or Jewish populations. If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long in the middle of the Islamic Empire? Additionally, if one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam from Spain and Morocco in the West to India and China in the East, one would realize that they were far too few to force people to be members of a religion against their will. Additionally, the great empire and civilization established by the Muslims had great staying power -- its citizens were proud to be part of it. The spread of Islam stands in contrast to the actions of the followers of Christianity, who since the time of the Emperor Constantine have made liberal use of the sword - often basing their conduct on Biblical verses. This was especially true of the colonization of South America and Africa, where native peoples were systematically wiped-out or forced to convert. It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic Empire, instead of destroying the religion, they adopted it. This is a unique occurrence in history - the conquerors adopting the religion of the conquered! Since they were the victors, they certainly could not have been forced to become Muslims! Ask any of the over one billion Muslims alive in the world today whether they were forced! The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia --- and there were never any battles fought there! So where was the sword? How could someone be forced to adhere to a spiritually rewarding and demanding religion like Islam?

So before you attack Islam I believe one should actually understand the true nature of Islam and take the opinions of Muslims as opposed to those who have us believe false lies about Islam. Myth like "Allah commands ALL non-Muslims to be killed" such attacks on Islam are false fabrications and blatant lies most probably taken from those Hadiths which main stream Islam rejects as being just that. Fabrications!

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Posted by: devildog

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DvsBlue said this in post #21 :

So before you attack Islam I believe one should actually understand the true nature of Islam and take the opinions of Muslims as opposed to those who have us believe false lies about Islam. Myth like "Allah commands ALL non-Muslims to be killed" such attacks on Islam are false fabrications and blatant lies most probably taken from those Hadiths which main stream Islam rejects as being just that. Fabrications!


Bukhari:V4B52N50 “The Prophet said, ‘A single endeavor of fighting in Allah’s Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.’”
Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

Do you want about 900 more???

Your opinion means nothing! Neither does mine, therefore I gave verses right out of the Books.
And please say the Hadiths are rejected by Muslims because the 33rd surah orders you to follow Mo's example and without them nothing would be known of Islam. If the Hadith is untrue, so is the Qur'an. They both were recited by the same man and retained and passed on to us by the same people. Their message is the same as well. Moreover, the Qur'an cannot be understood without the context of the Hadith found in the Sira and Islam cannot be practiced without knowing Muhammad's Sunnah. Lies from Muslims don't fly here. Try again.

And as far as your "no compulsion in religion" is concerned; You are correct that it does say that in the second surah. Sounds tolerant doesn't it? It might be IF Allah didn’t abrogate the verse by proclaiming in a subsequent revelation: Qur'an 4:90 “If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” and if this one isn't good enough I could supply several hundred more that contradict that notion.

Also, if you don't think Islam would have been still born without the sword than you have never read one page of Islam's oldest books. There isn't even a question about it. They conquered and plundered. They killed and raped. They sold children into slavery and robbed booty to give to the mercenaries. They followed Mo because they wanted to rob people. Never once did they try and spread a message. It was ALWAYS rob them and split up the booty. This is the only way Islam survived. I suggest you do some research.
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Posted by: malcolm xx

Sudan is 1mill square miles with a population of over 22 mill!

597 tribes who speak more than 400 languages!

54% Arab Muslims live in the North

25% Nilotic peoples: Dinka, Neur, Shilluk, Nilo-Hematic, Bantu - all live " south of latitude 10 North"

5% Christians: Nuba, animist Negroids - south cental moutains

6% Non-Arab Muslims- northeast

10%-12% Fur, Daju, Maslit, Zaghawa


Because of colonization there is no shared identity for the population. Can you imagine if every state in America had there own military and laws?

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