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Posted by: malcolm xx

BLACK SUPERHEROs:Blade, Meteor Man, Spawn, Cyborg, Green Latern, Storm

White HeROS: superman,batman, spiderman,punisher,wolverine, daredevil, teen titans, flash, wonder women..etc

when is the normal good looking black hero going to come?

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Posted by: Inner City Blues

That's a good question. I think it all comes down to the creators. You make what most looks like you. Since most of the creators were white, that's who they created.

But I don't think the X-Men should fall into this category. They've always been a multicultural, multinational, etc. effort.

But as your list shows, they are out there, they just may not get the silver screen time desired.

But there are more heroes than you think: Museum of Black Superheroes

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Posted by: HECK!

It's true that the majority of the superhero's are white.

But DC and Marvel tried hard in the 70's to have titles featuring black hero's but they never caught on, unfortunately. A few of them were:

Black Lightning- the book sucked but it lasted a while. They even had Superman guest star.

Power Man- this was a good book, but he usually shared his time with a weak hero named Iron Fist. Power Man was popular though. His character's real name was Luke Cage. And as a matter of fact, a young actor named Nicholas Copolla changed his name to Nicholas Cage in honor Power Man. And a movie is being made about Luke Cage as we speak, to be directed by John Singleton.

Personally, I remember several black hero's from the 90's when I collected- Night Thrasher, who led the New Warriors; Rage, short term member of the Avengers; James Rhodes became Iron Man for a while, later War Machine; Black Panther is still a big name; Steel was one of the people who had Superman powers when he died (Shaq stared in the movie).

And recently DC re-launched its Firestorm title with a black character being his alter ego. And in a Captain America special last year, Cap found out that the super soldier formula was first tested on black soldiers.

While there is diversity, I think the problem is there aren't many popular titles featuring black characters. Maybe if some of the big writers/artists got involved more we would see a change.

-HECK!

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Posted by: Sierradaddy

It's unfortunate, but I think that Heck's right. There are SOME titles out there, and I'm sure that there are probably some underground movements going on, but I have to admit, I won't just gravitate to any old black superhero. Meteor man? C'mon...

It's kinda like a lot of the black sitcoms out there. Many of them just plain suck, so I can't sit down and watch it just out of support cuz I feel that by doing that, I'm dumbing down my own sense of humour, which does more harm to me than the good I feel I'm doing by supporting black endeavours.

When quality black characters are developed and given strong writing and artwork, along with quality and engrossing support characters and storylines, I'll be more than happy to support. But as it stands now, besides Spawn, and to a lesser extent, Power-Man (I give PM credit though, because he was created awhile ago and had to endure being teamed with the idiot Iron-Fist...), I haven't been very willing to get into black characters because the majority of them weren't developed well and were therefore shallow and uninteresting.

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Posted by: HECK!

SD, I was going to point out the black sitcom connection as well. It's like, people won't watch or read crap. It has to be good, first.

-HECK!

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Posted by: malcolm xx

CATWOMEN is a better role for HALLE than STORM. ANGELLA BASSETT should be her replacement.

doesn't a black captain america will do better than a power man movie? only comic readers know who power man is.

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Posted by: Inner City Blues

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HECK said this in post #5 :
SD, I was going to point out the black sitcom connection as well. It's like, people won't watch or read crap. It has to be good, first.

-HECK!

Very true, I don't like TV in the first place so I don't watch many shows. But I do watch My Wife and Kids regularly. Not only is it a good show, but it has a black cast, which is even more of a plus. The same can be said for George Lopez. There are good black shows, it's just that they are often paired with mediocre blacks shows that no one wants to watch.

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malcolm xx said this in post #6 :
CATWOMEN is a better role for HALLE than STORM. ANGELLA BASSETT should be her replacement.

doesn't a black captain america will do better than a power man movie? only comic readers know who power man is.

Halle Berry should have never agreed to do Catwoman because with comic books, you have to deal with fanboys. It's not her fault, but because the producers (i.e. Warner Bros.) took so many liberties with the source material, the movie is going to be a destined flop. I don't care how good it is, the movie will be a failure. Unfortunately, Halle Berry will take the bullet or film's failure, but she has herself to blame somewhat. When she was talking about getting a bigger role for X-Men (a role I thought was suited for Iman), people thought she was getting big headed. She'll probably won't try to cal lthe shots if she returns to X-Men.

But with X-Men you also have to blame the director and writers, and not the actors. They don't give her anything to do, so I can understand when she says she wants a bigger part. The writiers need to do a better job of incorporating Storm, not just have her shoot lightning. I would even be content with her nonsensical poety before she uses her mutant powers like in the cartoon.

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Heavens11 said this in post #7 :
Funny, but I remember The Green Lantern being white, with an Asian sidekick (Bruce Lee).

I think you mean Green Hornet, not Green Lantern. Green Lantern is the series where the characters have power rings that allow them to create a variety of tools and shapes all according to their minds. There a re many Green Lanterns that makeup a Corps of basically space cops.

I think a Green Lantern Corps movie is great idea over the horrid rumor of using Jack Black in a comedy, what way to tarnish a great comic book concept.

Black Superhero
* Spawn Remake (Henry Simmons should star)
* Green Lantern Corps. (featuring John Stewart and other Lanterns)
* Luke Cage aka Power Man
* Black Panther (I hear Wesley Snipes is going to produce it, Blade: Trinity is his last action movie, but my friend says they'll butcher it, I think so too)
* Any others?

I think those would be adequate titles for black superheroes. However, I would like to see some new blood and not the stock, as I call it, "Black cast."

Black cast - The same actors used repeatedly in every black movie (i.e. Morris Chestnut, Taye Diggs, Sanaa Lathan, etc.)
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Posted by: HECK!

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Heavens11 said this in post #7 :
Funny, but I remember The Green Lantern being white, with an Asian sidekick (Bruce Lee).



That was the Green Hornet, not Lantern.

-HECK!
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Posted by: HECK!

Nice points, ICB.

With Storm though, Halle need to understand that she's not the biggest character. Wolverine is first and foremost the fan favorite. So you have to bring in his story, involve Jean Grey and invariably Cyclops, supporting cast, back story, villians, there just isn't room left for Storm.

And Catwoman tanked in the box office, which was a surprise to no one. Freakin' Hollywood dip's screwed up once again.

-HECK!

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Posted by: malcolm xx

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HECK said this in post #10 :
Nice points, ICB.

With Storm though, Halle need to understand that she's not the biggest character. Wolverine is first and foremost the fan favorite. So you have to bring in his story, involve Jean Grey and invariably Cyclops, supporting cast, back story, villians, there just isn't room left for Storm.

And Catwoman tanked in the box office, which was a surprise to no one. Freakin' Hollywood dip's screwed up once again.

-HECK!






they need to give Halle(storm) some more lines to give her a reason to complain.
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Posted by: HECK!

True, but all of the chacaters in X2 could have had more lines The story just doesn't focus around Storm this time around.

-HECK!

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Posted by: malcolm xx

ICB i agree, Iman would be a good choice to play Storm but i think her age will hurt her with this particular character.

i hope the Storm character gets more lines and we se a better presentation of her powers. maybe the uniforms could change to the popular ones drawn in comic books.

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Posted by: HECK!

Yeah, Storm could wear the skimpy clothes and mohawk the comic character sported in the late-80's.

-HECK!

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Posted by: coshawn jenkins

quote:



I think you mean Green Hornet, not Green Lantern. Green Lantern is the series where the characters have power rings that allow them to create a variety of tools and shapes all according to their minds. There a re many Green Lanterns that makeup a Corps of basically space cops.

I think a Green Lantern Corps movie is great idea over the horrid rumor of using Jack Black in a comedy, what way to tarnish a great comic book concept.

Black Superhero
* Spawn Remake (Henry Simmons should star)
* Green Lantern Corps. (featuring John Stewart and other Lanterns)
* Luke Cage aka Power Man
* Black Panther (I hear Wesley Snipes is going to produce it, Blade: Trinity is his last action movie, but my friend says they'll butcher it, I think so too)
* Any others?

I think those would be adequate titles for black superheroes. However, I would like to see some new blood and not the stock, as I call it, "Black cast."

Black cast - The same actors used repeatedly in every black movie (i.e. Morris Chestnut, Taye Diggs, Sanaa Lathan, etc.) [/B]



I personally think they should use the Truth storyline it was about the first super soldier (before Capitan America) and how they used him to perfect the serum to give to a "worthy" person 'IE' a white soldier (even though he the black Captain America went through all sorts of heck and proved himself worthy of the title.
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Posted by: mad_rhetorik

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malcolm xx said this in post #6 :
CATWOMEN is a better role for HALLE than STORM. ANGELLA BASSETT should be her replacement.

doesn't a black captain america will do better than a power man movie? only comic readers know who power man is.


Bassett wouldnt be bad...but I always pictured the model Iman as Storm...at leat when she was younger...shes too old for the role now i think...so I agree with the earlier statement.

I heard recently that the Green Lantern is going to be made soon...starring none other than Jack Black...thats right, JACK BLACK...and its going to be a comedic take on the character...since John is actually the GL for our sector now, any movie should reflect that....
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Posted by: mad_rhetorik

ICON & Rocket where pretty cool before that subsidiary of DC went out of business....Superman & ICON even battled once if i remember right

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Posted by: Sierradaddy

You know, I think Iman was one of the women I thought of when I thought of Storm. She was supposed to be DARK-skinned, so................. Oh, and 6 ft tall..................

Halle Berry as Storm, even in a limited and less significant role, was an injustice in my opinion. Bad casting. Sorry Halle, I still love ya.

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Posted by: HECK!

Tina Turner, circa-Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, could play the punked out Storm from the late-80's.

-HECK!

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Posted by: Inner City Blues

Iman was pregnant at the time they were filming X-Men, so I don't think it was possible.

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Posted by: coshawn jenkins

But what about Angela basset ? she would have totally kicked butt in the role of Storm (she's a better actress, taller, more athletically fit in keeping with the character of Storm)

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Posted by: coshawn jenkins

http://wellredpress.com/Comics/Comi...s/cap_truth.htm just some info on the truth

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Posted by: Inner City Blues

I don't think Angela Basset would have worked given the casting they already had. The team is relatively young, so she would be stuck in a "mother role" of the team. The team looks like Professor X as the father figure of a young group that he guides. Angela Basset seems like she'd throw that idea off.

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Posted by: coshawn jenkins

What do you think about Gabrielle Union ? after Bad Boys 2 she shows she has the chops to play an action packed role and it don't hurt that she's gorgeous .


http://www.mahoganycafe.com/ladies5.html

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Posted by: Inner City Blues

She could work, I think if Halle Berry jumps ship, that would be a good choice. It's better than the other rumor I heard, Christina Milian. If they want X-Men to be successful, they stick to "actors."

But here's the next question, will they go for an accent again? I would love to see these superhero movies cast completely unknown actors.

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Posted by: coshawn jenkins

I agree newbees have a fire to make a picture great that some of these veterian actors must have forgotten about.

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Posted by: malcolm xx

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HECK said this in post #14 :
Yeah, Storm could wear the skimpy clothes and mohawk the comic character sported in the late-80's.

-HECK!





they should change STORM's hair ? do you see any women in ARICA with long, silver straight hair? an afro looks better and more militant than that mohawk>
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Posted by: malcolm xx

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coshawn jenkins said this in post #24 :
What do you think about Gabrielle Union ? after Bad Boys 2 she shows she has the chops to play an action packed role and it don't hurt that she's gorgeous .


http://www.mahoganycafe.com/ladies5.html



i think "the other" Vanessa Williams would be a better choice.
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Posted by: HECK!

I was kind of being sarcastic, malcolm.

I think giving her the white hair made her more like a 'weather witch', which was what I think the creators were going for.

-HECK!

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Posted by: coshawn jenkins

And by the way I think they should reeeealy put some time and money and effort into Black Panther if just because he is what all our parents and grandparents tell us we are (noble ,courageous ,honer bound ,honest ,brilliant ,strong ,and descendant from royalty) he represents the image of the black man (if only in my eye).


http://www.marveldirectory.com/indi...lackpanther.htm

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Posted by: HECK!

I am pretty sure Marvel put out a new BP book recently.

-HECK!

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Posted by: coshawn jenkins

yes but it was cancelled (bastards)

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Posted by: malcolm xx

the spiderman 2's graphics has set the new standard for the next superhero movies. they did a good job in creating the villian.

i wish they could do the same for Storm?

the BP is going to flop like The Punisher. besides it being a black hero, only comic readers know of him.

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Posted by: malcolm xx

the new JLA cartoon was good. when will the black hero save the day? i am tired of seing green latern getting injured and having to be saved.

is there another black hero in the JLA?

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Posted by: coshawn jenkins

unless black lightning is there .... no (sucks don't it ?)

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Posted by: coshawn jenkins

who remebers there used to be a saturday morning caroon with black chareters as the lead , the man could streach and the woman (i think) could shrink or maby had telekinetic powers. I just can't remeber the name.

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Posted by: Inner City Blues

Is this thread dead or something, it's not showing up in the forum only in the history?

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Posted by: coshawn jenkins

I don't think it is, look in the comic book section .

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Posted by: john_gotti

- whats wrong with the way Blade looks?

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Posted by: complexbrother

I am so loving it that they made Nick Fury a black man. A brother's finally got some real power to do some good in comics and not just be regulated to anti Hero (Spawn, Blade) or sidekick (Falcon)

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Posted by: Inner City Blues

Is this Nick Fury in a movie or a comic book now? Imagine the number of complaints when they made this change.

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Posted by: HECK!

I haven't heard this, but I'll take anyone over that crap ass TV movie of Nick Fury starring David Hasselhoff a few years back.

As a kid I liked Black Panther when he was on the Avengers. Had his own book for a while, too.

-HECK!

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Posted by: complexbrother

and he's gonna be the main focus in the Ultimate Avengers 2 movie.

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Posted by: HECK!

Really? That is way cool. I still haven't seen the first movie, I plan to check it this weekend.

Avengers was my favorite title back in the day.

-HECK!

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Posted by: complexbrother

And Cage is becomming a major player in the Marvel U .

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Posted by: complexbrother

Black Panther is a major player in marvel.

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Posted by: Crazie

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Sierradaddy said this in post #17 :
You know, I think Iman was one of the women I thought of when I thought of Storm. She was supposed to be DARK-skinned, so................. Oh, and 6 ft tall..................

Halle Berry as Storm, even in a limited and less significant role, was an injustice in my opinion. Bad casting. Sorry Halle, I still love ya.


Okay let's ask ourselves this question. Can Iman really act guys???
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Posted by: Crazie

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coshawn jenkins said this in post #20 :
But what about Angela basset ? she would have totally kicked butt in the role of Storm (she's a better actress, taller, more athletically fit in keeping with the character of Storm)


But too old for such a role...
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Posted by: Crazie

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malcolm xx said this in post #26 :





they should change STORM's hair ? do you see any women in ARICA with long, silver straight hair? an afro looks better and more militant than that mohawk>


Politics should be left out of entertainment in my opinion.
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Posted by: Crazie

Also would like to point out that Storm, Black Panther, and Luke Cage are all featured in that new Marvel Video Game they have out...good charachters to use as well. So there is some effort to get some of the black heroes some recognition.

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Posted by: complexbrother

but there are other actresses that are suited better . to play storm IMO .

like Kerry Washington, or the chick with the hands for feet in Aeon Flux.

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