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| Posted by: sordidmesh | | There is nothing to debate. You support the country you live in, or you be a traitor. No more complicated. No election. No peace demonstrators. No allegations of U.S. committing war crimes. You don't do any of that.
Just remember the following things: France's existence, people jumping from the twin towers, one side of the pentagon burning, arabic voices over your flight's intercom and what you are forced to do, to save the heart of the country. Think about those things and then go to a ceremony honoring the setting of the first stone at the WTC floor and proudly walk all over the flag of the country you live in.
Please enemies, respond telling me how outlandish and wrong I am, but I know that I am right and that is all that matters. I carry this mindset everywhere I go. When I look around and see all the people who do not care about what is happening in this country, I just think about what I know and realize why no one cares. Why no one cares about the demise of the USA. I actually cry a lot, knowing each day we are in decline. Do you not understand me? Am I confusing you? Is what I am saying make you totally dumbfounded? Are you dumb?
What more can I do than know how I feel and hope other's do also? The powerless feeling of knowing there is not much I can do and that I must never abandon my understanding of what is going on.
I am sorry that it is SO hard for you to understand. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: sordidmesh | | I am so greatful that I know where I stand when it comes to our country. I think you do too. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Inner City Blues | |
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sordidmesh said this in post #1 :
You support the country you live in, or you be a traitor. |
For someone talking about the demise of the country, you're statement above says it all. I would call the comment ignorant, but instead it is the dumbest statement that any American can make.
Go along with everything you're government does or you're a traitor? I'm sorry, but that is a stupid statement only said by someone that has no understanding of democracy or the values his country is built on.
I guess you'd make a great Nazi. Not that you'd want to kill Jews, but you'd go along with the government and their program despite the wrongdoing. Or you'd be a great bounty hunter looking for slaves in the South back in the 1800's because slavery was legal at the time, and to support the underground railroad would be illegal. Better yet, the enforcement of segregation throughout the country in the past century, all those black people protesting is so horrible, how dare they speak out against government institutions of segregation.
I'm going to pull out one of my own stupid comments, why not move out of the country? Go to a country with a dictatorship. It's much easier, you don't have to worry about dissent. Everybody has to go along with the government or they are traitors and can be summarily executed. That's a great society.
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| Posted by: sordidmesh | | You stupid fellow New Jersyian,
How dare you misquote me. I did not say [Go along with everything you're government does or you're a traitor?] I said you should support the country you live in. There are respectful ways of dissenting. You are such a moron to not understand me and even more of ingrate to compare me with Nazis. Don't you dare tell me I don't understand the values of this country. You seem to only understand the values of misrepresenting and twisting. Grow up. Stop the LSD. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: 64impala | | Sordidmesh
Could you please explain how exactly we our supposed to support our country? It's a very thin line between government and country, so perhaps you could explain this in detail so we know where your coming from......thanks | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | |
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sordidmesh said this in post #1 :
There is nothing to debate. You support the country you live in, or you be a traitor. No more complicated. No election. No peace demonstrators. No allegations of U.S. committing war crimes. You don't do any of that.
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This is a traitorous statement.
No elections? I hope I am misunderstanding you here.
No Peace demonstrators? WE WANT PEACE. GOD WANTS PEACE. OUR FOREFATHERS WANTED PEACE. There is a time for war, but when there is war, it is fought with peace in mind, not annhilation of our enemies.
No allegations of US committing war crimes. But... what if they DID commit war crimes? Freedom is the right to speak the truth.
I support my country. I love this land. I love my countrymen (most of them anyway, some I am ashamed to share a nationality with.) Therefore, I hate the "New Right."
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| Posted by: woolfe99 | |
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sordidmesh said this in post #5 :
You stupid fellow New Jersyian,
How dare you misquote me. I did not say [Go along with everything you're government does or you're a traitor?] I said you should support the country you live in. There are respectful ways of dissenting. You are such a moron to not understand me and even more of ingrate to compare me with Nazis. Don't you dare tell me I don't understand the values of this country. You seem to only understand the values of misrepresenting and twisting. Grow up. Stop the LSD. |
Sorry Sordid, but I have to agree with Blue on this one. Your entire statement was:
"There is nothing to debate. You support the country you live in, or you be a traitor. No more complicated. No election. No peace demonstrators. No allegations of U.S. committing war crimes. You don't do any of that."
You are talking about an America without the First Amendment right to free speech (which incidentally protects political dissent more so than any other kind of speech), without freedom of the press, and without freedom of assembly. You are saying that there are respectful kinds of dissent, but you are also saying there is no debate . What you are describing is not the America I live in, and not the America our founding fathers envisioned. Protesting the acts of our government is a grand American tradition. Accusing the government of "war crimes," when the accusation is true, is nothing more than the citizenry of a democracy acting as the conscience of its government. We are, after all, supposed to have a government of, by and for the people. The day the government is no longer accountable to criticism from its citizenry is the day we descend into tyranny.
I really don't get people (generally from the political right) who constantly want to stifle criticism of government action. It's the most un patriotic attitude I've seen on this forum.
- woolfe
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| Posted by: Inner City Blues | | Thank you, woolfe99, although we can disagree on some subjects, I think that all Americans can agree about the rights each we should have.
To sordidmesh, I wasn't calling you a Nazi in the sense of killing Jews and the Holocaust. I'm talking about the type of society the Germans lived in where there was no dissent (or in your words a "right way" of dissent). But you can still support your country by finding fault in the policies that go against the buidling blocks of the country like violation of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. We have the full rights to have raucous protests if we want, there's nothing wrong with that. And support of the government does not mean you support the country because the government could just as well be going against the ideals of the country. | | Reply To this Message
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