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In the West Bank town of Qabatiya, four gunmen from an armed group in President Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement executed a man accused of betraying the whereabouts of wanted militants to Israeli forces and of sexually molesting his two daughters.

Father-of-two Muhammad Rafiq Daraghmeh, 45, was riddled with automatic fire after he answered "yes" to both accusations and a throng of onlookers chanted, "Kill him, kill him!" Relatives of Daraghmeh said his family had disowned him.

Militant groups have killed at least 30 fellow Palestinians accused of being informers for Israeli forces combating an uprising launched in occupied territories almost four years ago.


Article here

Funny that you posted this just now. I was considering posting about it myself. Apparently the Al Aqsa Martyr Brigades has been summarily executing Palestinians for alleged "colaboration" with Israel for some time. Not only that, they apparently execute and terrorize people who opposed Arafat. AMB is essentially a band of thugs in the service of Arafat.

- woolfe

Collaborators are guilty of helping in the death of a Palestinian.

Woolfe, you said that they execute and terrorize people who oppose Arafat, can i get some more info? Links?

Heres a list of the collaborators - Collaborators

So who makes one person Judge, Jury, and Executioner? From what appears to be this practice all that's needed is the mere accusation that a Palestinian is a collaborator.

No trial, no chance to refute the claims, ..... just dragged out into the street and shot like an animal. And from your response TWBR, you seem to endorse such actions.

You guys can't even bring order and justice to yourselves yet you think you all are in the position to govern as a state?

I've said it before, your mentalities are a large part of the reason you all endure such conditions. This is living proof of such barbaric mentalities that seem to understand nothing but the bad end of a bullet.

How do you expect the Palestinians to deal with collaborators in a normal way in the current situation?

I rest my case.

Yeah, its sickening that some expect an oppressed people who are being occupied to deal with matters like this one in a normal way.

TWBR has a good point there.

Palestinians are being occupied in their own land. They are an oppressed people that are denied basic human rights. 80% of Palestinians now live in a refugee camp. Their land is stolen by the occupying power to make way for Jewish-only settlements - in direct violation of the fourth Geneva Convention.

Their main concerns is security, and human rights. Unfortunately, the minority of Palestinians are so desperate they commit a counter-productive tragedy - suicide bombings. Israel seize on these terrorist attacks to steal more land.

The last thing the Palestinians need to deal with is traitors in their own community.

Israel wouldnt be as successful at targeting the Palestinian Militants if it wasnt for the collaborators, Yassin and Rantisi died because of collaborators, you guys have any idea of how frustrating that is?

No offense TWBR, but Yassin and Rantisi dying was the best thing that could've happened. It's one of the only good things Israel have done this year - even if it was for the wrong motives.

But I still stick to my original post (above).

Almost every attack that has happened after their deaths are said to be in revenge for their deaths. Including the Qassam rocket attacks.

to TWBR : i know but a huge attack is coming
to others : this justice is natural because there is no state
that wouldn't happen and there wouldn't be any "armed groups" if there was a state , things would be really different...
u can't find that "style" in France or Italy because there is a STATE

It is inexcusible period to drag someone out in the street while a “lynch mob” scream for his death while you riddle his body full of bullet holes.

You make a point about how do you expect an “oppressed people” to act. Well then maybe if they’re acting uncivil in this manner why do you believe everything they do is just in other matters? Don’t you believe that the same mentality is at play when speaking of bringing peace to the region?

You may have an excuse for those who commit such atrocities in Palestine but what about yourself and Mike. You two are not oppressed by the Israeli Armies yet you fully subscribe to what’s taking place there. Your reply to such a barbaric act is

OFP, my point was made, and i see no need to go over this again.

Your condemnation of Israel is well noted and legendary among your people. I don’t think confirmation of that is needed.

What I want to know is this. If you feel that Israel isn’t the only one committing crimes, then why are you only condemning Israel? Why is it when Israel kills an innocent Palestinian the Arab world cries injustice but when Palestinians kill innocent Israelis there is complete silence among them signifying their support.

I agree, peace is not possible because compromise is not in attendance at any peace negotiations not to mention Hamas and others not agreeing to any cease fires. Neither side will get all of what they want so some concessions must be made. Until that is realized then the current cycle of violence will continue.

Truth be told, they don't have to "love" Israel but they have grown to respect them.

Maybe all the conflict is because of this hate Michel. That's what I've been saying for quite some time and you're solidifying it.

Let me ask you a question Michel. Why isn't there any conflict with Jordanians who originally got 3/4 of the land you're calling Palestine? Why no objections to their starting a state?

I think you've answered it however,.....hate!!! Problem is, the hate have not served them well now has it?

Let me break it down to you Michel

The land in question consisted of not just the land west of the Jordan River but the land east of it which was 3/4 of the former land of Palestine. This land was divied up and Jordan got that 3/4 and Irael got the other 1/4.

Arabs only objected to Israel's 1/4. Subseqently the UN divided the 1/4 and gave Palestinians approximately half of that. Still it was rejected among Arabs. They simply wanted no Jews/Israelis there at all.

Today they are still fighting over this area. Jordan has had limited citizenship granted to Palestinian refugees and Egypt had none.

So I ask you again, why weren't there any objection to Jordan taking 3/4 of Palestinian land? If you're saying Israel "stole" their land why isn't Jordanians regarded as doing the same?

So it's ok if your brother comes into your home and throw you out of it and lives there TW? I think it's more tragic that it would be your "brother" displacing you from your land.

listen oneofpeace : all i know about jordan that 3/4 of their people have palestinians origin
i don't know how they divided the land
yea TWBR is right : they are brothers
but there was a conflict between palestinians and jordan
and there was a conflict between Israel and Jordan
so the situation is confusing
but i want u to know that palestinians and lebanese are completly different people
now Israel forced the refugees to live in Lebanon with all the bad consequences (the plo and the civil war...) maybe they will never go back to palestine but THEY WILL NEVER BE LEBANESE !!! USA and Israel made a dirty conspiracy with the traitor Hariri who is their agent so they increase the debt
to force the lebanese to accept the palestinians but that will NEVER happen
and Hariri tried to give them the Nationality but we will not accept...
u say that we hate Israel
how could we respect Israel as long as they refuse the refugees back ?

Well how about a little balance here Michel? It was war that caused them to be displace. A war in which they initiated. Half of them left of their own accord because they were told to do so by Arabs the promised them victory in crushing Israel.

Everywhere in history when we’ve seen a refugee problem, these people were absorbed into other societies. All except Palestinians who remain in camps to this day. You refuse them, Jordan refuses them, Egypt refuses them, and Syria. Yet you all complain of how bad they are living in these camps.

Cut me a break here, you all care more about distain for Israel than the plight of those Palestinians. You all may hate Israel and may not even recognize them officially. But make no mistake, all of you respect them. How? Through the many wars Arabs waged against them which resulted in the conditions you now want to lay sole blame on Israel for.

What!? OFS thats enough! Im frecking tired of your sh*t, everyday is the same thing, you start making bullsh*t accusations about me that are not true, i never support the attacks on the Israeli civilians, i have stated it for many times, and yet you just keep your eyes closed and spread your garbage.

I come here to debate and learn, not to have some guy make accusations like those about me.

I suggest you look at my post again. I never said you support "attacks on Israeli civilians", I said you support those militants. When Israel kills them you declare how wrong it is that they kill them or their leaders. You also blame Israel when they make bombs in their neighborhoods with the address of an Israeli city or settlement on them and when Israel comes in to destroy it you blame Israel solely for the deaths that are incurred.


I think your propensity to detach yourself from reality is simply too overwhelming for you here. Maybe you should take your hate filled rantings to another forum if you are so bothered by the mere mention of your name in relation to your position.

Ok, i read it too fast, yes i support the Militants, im Palestinian myself, how could i not support those who are fighting for my country and my people.....

Including those that drag Palestinians from their homes and shoot them in the streets like animals merely because they are accused of collaboration with Israelis that results in as you say the deaths of Hamas leaders.

If they have no self control to substain peace in their own neighborhoods, what makes you think they are interested in peace at the negotiating table with Israel?

Well, we can say that most Israelis support the IDF, which have committed more attrocities than the Palestinians, its almost daily war crimes, how can you expect the Palestinians to actually see Israel trying hard to work for peace.

It is typical of those with your mentalities to compare it to Israel in some form or shape. It's the same mentality Islamic extremists have been using their entire lives to justify their atrocities.

I've never seen an IDF soldier drag any man out of their house, let alone an Israeli, and shoot them dead in the street because they were accuseded of spying. All why a lynch mob was screaming "kill him, kill him" in the background and blaming it on suicide bombers.

And only an idiot would support such and compare it to the "atrocities" of another to justify it.

Something is seriously wrong in the heads of many of you. Your are a shining example of the stupidy raging among your people counter-productive to their well being.

Correction on typos

"I've never seen an IDF soldier drag men out of their houses, let alone an Israeli, and shoot them dead in the street because they were accuseded of spying. All while a lynch mob was screaming "kill him, kill him" in the background and blaming it on suicide bombers.

First of all, i wasnt justifying, and i thought you were talking about all Palestinian attacks in general, if you were talking about lynching, then my bad.

No, I havent seen IDF soldiers drag out an Israeli and shoot them in the street because theu were accused of spying, however, i bet that in the 50+ years of Israel's exsistance, an IDF soldier or IDF soldiers have dragged a Palestinian out of his/her home and shot them dead on the street.

Like i said, the IDF has committed more and more brutal attrocities than the Palestinians.

First of all, i wasnt justifying, and i thought you were talking about all Palestinian attacks in general, if you were talking about lynching, then my bad.

No, I havent seen IDF soldiers drag out an Israeli and shoot them in the street because theu were accused of spying, however, i bet that in the 50+ years of Israel's exsistance, an IDF soldier or IDF soldiers have dragged a Palestinian out of his/her home and shot them dead on the street.

Like i said, the IDF has committed more and more brutal attrocities than the Palestinians.

One thing that seems to unite most of you all is your hate for Israel.

Because of Israel, they initiated this war? Israel received land in Balfour. You all rejected that. They received even less in 1947. Palestinians had land for their state but they rejected Israel's existence there again and made war.

So how is it Israel's fault that Arabs "initiated this war"?

The reason that i go to what Israel does, is that you support Israel, and you critize the Palestinians for committing attrocities while they are oppressed and are being occupied, and since the state that you support has committed many more attrocities and are not oppressed or being occupied, then you shouldnt be critizing the Palestinians, if Israel the country that you support is also doing.

Same ole song I see. “The Big Bad Israelis Blues”.

I guess Jews just migrated to that region, started stealing land and killing Palestinians and today, they’re still at it while the US gives them billions in support to carry out their scrupulous plan.

I merely made a point and a valid one at that. How can one hope to negotiate peace with a mentality as such as to drag a man out into the street and shoot him to cheers of the people? That simply isn’t sound mindedness.

You on the other hand start with, “well the IDF blah blah blah…”.

What I support is the truth. So far, you wouldn’t recognize it if it walked past you with a t-shirt on with the name “Truth” spread across the chest.

I guess Jews just migrated to that region, started stealing land and killing Palestinians and today, they’re still at it while the US gives them billions in support to carry out their scrupulous plan.

Why do you this to your self? Do you hate your self?

I merely made a point and a valid one at that. How can one hope to negotiate peace with a mentality as such as to drag a man out into the street and shoot him to cheers of the people? That simply isn’t sound mindedness.

And im making my point, how can one hope to negotaite peace with a Government that tolerates settler violence and its army committs war crimes on a daily basis.

You on the other hand start with, “well the IDF blah blah blah…”.

What I support is the truth. So far, you wouldn’t recognize it if it walked past you with a t-shirt on with the name “Truth” spread across the chest.

Let me add that to the list of funny things, so i can read it and laugh again.

Do you have anything with any depth worth saying here? So far your rhetoric is very "green". It becomes a struggle simply to reply to some of this nonsense.

Whenever i post something, and you arent able to make a worthy reply, you resort to critizing, how sad.

Why don't you try an approach of balance instead of this "I hate Israel" approach? If you think your replies you're getting are garbage, then maybe it's because that's what you're posting.

I think they have hospitals for people like you Michel. You should find some help before you die of high blood pressure or something.

In your loathing, you're only hurting yoursel, just as the Palestinians have been for years and years now. I suggest you get yourself some help but I doubt you ever will. It's the national pastime of all of you in that region to hate Israel. It's in your school books and probably will be printed on your currency soon.

Have a scornful day basting in the loathing of your hate. You won't live long that way but then again.......

[QUOTE][i] Response to antizionist2004 post #8

Palestinians turned down a country of their own in 1948. They turned down a country of their own in 2000. In 1948 they tried to drive the Jews into sea. They did not want a 2 country solution back then. They wanted ALL of Israel. In 2000 they decided they could do better through violence and homicide bombings than they could through negotiations. 80% of Palestinians were put in refugee camps by other Arabs. When Jordan occupied the West Bank they put their fellow Arabs in those refugee camps. They were no going to settle them. They used them as a pawn.

Now Mr. anti-Zionist claims only a minority of Palestinians commit homocide bombings as if the rest of Palestinian society didn't approve and support homocide bombings. The truth is when asked in September 2003 if homocide bombing should stop or continue, 55.9% of Palestinians said such attacks must continue http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=18409

Mr. anti-zionist justifies the killing of so called Israel collaborators just as he justified the massacares of Jews by Arabs. Mr. anti-zionist puts more value in dirt than he does in human life. At least if that human life is Jewish.

ISRAEL4EVEr,
you said:
Mr. anti-zionist justifies the killing of so called Israel collaborators just as he justified the massacares of Jews by Arabs. Mr. anti-zionist puts more value in dirt than he does in human life. At least if that human life is Jewish"


I find mr. anti-zionist's stand to be very strange since he says he is a Jew, a non-believing Jew. I don't understand his stance one iota.

For those on this forum who don't know him, IsraelIs4Ever is a poster who can be found on this forum:

http://middleeastinfo.org/modules.p...umdisplay&fid=1

He is the most despised person on this forum, and anybody who doesn't agree with something he says is a "Jew hater." To him, every single person on the forum hates Jews if they are against Israel. And as I am Jewish, I am a "Jew hater" and an "Arab collaborator."

Otherwise known on this forum as "IdiotIs4Ever" he is the absolute joke of the forum. He is a Jewish Nazi that supports ethnic cleansing the Palestinians, and doesn't believe they exist - to him their all Jordanians.


Anyway, back to this post:

Woolfe:

Your favorite phrase - Jewish Nazi or Goldstein

I am not the only one who has found that forum to be an anti-semitic web site.

There you go again antiJew2004. Calling a Jew a nazi. But you're no Jew hater are you antiJew?

Who are the people whose opinion you hold up as an example.

Court - An anti-semite who made the statement that Jews are destroying the culture of the USA.

Roger - An athiest Brit who posed as a Jew to get personal information on people and then posted that personal information, not to mention making death threats to people and then lying about the whole thing.

Condor130 - This is a person who uses the word zionist in place of Jew to make anti-semitic statements. As an example he has posted that zionists are paraistes and zionists abuse the holocaust. When questioned on who exactly those zionists are he has refused to say. Of course antiJew2004 decided that condor needed to be defended so he tried to come up with some excuse (there's that word again) of what condor meant. Claiming that he could have meant non-Jewish zionists, I asked antiJew to expain who those non-Jewish zionists are and how have they abused the holocuast? Needless to say, AntiJew2004 never responded.

Then there are the various muslim anti-semites like Ahmed, JohD & Kurdforlyfe. They do nothing but make anti-semitic remarks day and night.


So who is left antiJew2004?

Israeli guy, we also have our own nickname for antiJew2004, we call him Hitler, feel free to use it.