Personally, I would like all Muslims who believe in beheading, reduced to atoms.

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Personally, I would like to see all Muslims who believe in beheading, reduced to atoms.

Just see if you can get through one of the beheading videos without feeling clammy and manic.

My hate for these people is so great that it is approaching the unspeakable type of hate. A natural response to my life being threatened.

I would really like to see Israel starting using it's artillery once again and practice live targetting of any of their surrounding enemies.

Sorry people, I am just awfully sick today about everything.

Yay for the CIA Op running Iraq. I am glad we have a glimmer of hope in the dark region over there.

I wouldn't want Bush reduced to atoms...it would'nt hurt enough.

And I hope the Palestinians and the freedom fighters, like Hamas, step up bombings in urban Israel, someones got to fight those baztards!

If I punched you in the face, would you try and punch me back?

Of course, but that would be retaliation for something that you started, like in '47 when the Jews used terrorist tactics to fight a war in Palestine then came into Palestinian towns, evicted innocent people our of their homes, burnt their homes down and sent them to "refugee camps" ... so sure, the Palestinians are right to not take the degradation and evil forced upon them, they're right to fight back by ANY means necessary.

Don't digress yet...

Ok, so we now know that you would try and defend yourself if attacked for absolutely no reason.

I want to try and seriously debate with you, so lets not take shots at each other for now. This has to start with simple agreement and disagreements I believe and is the civilized approach to resolution attempts. Agree?

We will move on after your next response...

OK, I agree.

thats a good start

Here is what I have to add people may not like my opinon but thats okay:

Sordidmesh says all people of be-head others should be reduced to atoms. And dont get me wrong I am against killing and the causations of any pain. To me this is some what a crude assessment of the situation ... a holy than thou type of argument. Because in the USA the firing squad and the electric chair are still by law, okay. Now, in the USA, there are no beheadings, but not too long ago, we hung people. In the middle east the common practise of the death penalty (whcih I am also against) is be-heading. I feel the equalalent thing to say for someone who is not an american would be that "All those who work for the government and kill people through various means should be reduced to atoms." But this is not how we like to see it.

Again, I am against be-headings, against killing, and against capital punishment. This is just on observation of traditional practise and one person tossing a blind eye toward thier own countries practise, while condemming anothers.

I do fully realize the increased brutality in be-headings. However, killing is killing. The electric chair is supposed to be quick, a beheading is suppose to be quick... both are claimed to be humane. I claim that both are wrong.

Logan.

Well, I get your point about the death penalty, but these analogies don't quite hold up. We don't execute people here without giving them a trial first. Berg and Johnson were absolutely innocent of any crimes. Second, the firing squad is only legal in one state of 50: Utah. Utah is rather out of sync culturally with the rest of America. Third, almost all states that have legal capital punishment have now moved to lethal injection, a bit less painful than either the electric chair or having your head chopped off while you're awake and alive.

- woolfe

Edit: I had forgotten that Utah has now banned execution by firing squad and is using lethal injection.

Well just to reply, berg and johnson weren't killed by the state and therefore not given a trial. I was drawing an anolgy on the practise of the death penalty, not these cases in particular.

could you post where the qu'ran speaks of be-headings I have yet to come across this passage as of yet in my research.

logan.

I did post this on a previous thread, but here it is again because it is important to know

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The Sacred Muslim Practice of Beheading
By Andrew G. Bostom
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 13, 2004

Reactions to the grotesque jihadist decapitation of yet another "infidel Jew," Mr. Berg, make clear that our intelligentsia are either dangerously uninformed, or simply unwilling to come to terms with this ugly reality: such murders are consistent with sacred jihad practices, as well as Islamic attitudes towards all non-Muslim infidels, in particular, Jews, which date back to the 7th century, and the Prophet Muhammad's own example.

According to Muhammad’s sacralized biography by Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe. He appointed an "arbiter" who soon rendered this concise verdict: the men were to be put to death, the women and children sold into slavery, the spoils to be divided among the Muslims. Muhammad ratified this judgment stating that it was a decree of God pronounced from above the Seven Heavens. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns.

The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deeds of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns:

“As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Allah, may he be exalted, says, 'When you encounter those [infidels] who deny [the Truth=Islam] then strike [their] necks' (Qur'an sura 47, verse 4) ”...Abu’l-Hasan al-Mawardi, al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah." [The Laws of Islamic Governance, trans. by Dr. Asadullah Yate, (London), Ta-Ha Publishers Ltd., 1996, p. 192. Emphasis added.]

Indeed such odious “rules” were iterated by all four classical schools of Islamic jurisprudence, across the vast Muslim empire.

For centuries, from the Iberian peninsula to the Indian subcontinent, jihad campaigns waged by Muslim armies against infidel Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists and Hindus, were punctuated by massacres, including mass throat slittings and beheadings. During the period of “enlightened” Muslim rule, the Christians of Iberian Toledo, who had first submitted to their Arab Muslim invaders in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. In the harsh Muslim reprisal that ensued, Toledo was pillaged, and all the Christian notables had their throats cut. On the Indian subcontinent, Babur (1483-1530), the founder of the Mughal Empire, who is revered as a paragon of Muslim tolerance by modern revisionist historians, recorded the following in his autobiographical “Baburnama,” about infidel prisoners of a jihad campaign:

"Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp." [The Baburnama -Memoirs of Babur, Prince and Emperor, translated and edited by Wheeler M. Thacktson, Oxford University Press,1996, p. 188. Emphasis added.]

Recent jihad-inspired decapitations of infidels by Muslims have occurred across the globe- Christians in Indonesia, the Philippines, and Nigeria; Hindu priests and "unveiled" Hindu women in Kashmir; Wall Street Journal reporter, and Jew, Daniel Pearl. We should not be surprised that these contemporary paroxysms of jihad violence are accompanied by ritualized beheadings. Such gruesome acts are in fact sanctioned by core Islamic sacred texts, and classical Muslim jurisprudence. Empty claims that jihad decapitations are somehow "alien to true Islam," however well-intentioned, undermine serious efforts to reform and desacralize Islamic doctrine. This process will only begin with frank discussion, both between non-Muslims and Muslims, and within the Muslim community.


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Andrew G. Bostom, MD, MS is an Associate Professor of Medicine at Brown University Medical School, and occasional contributor to Frontpage Magazine. He is the editor of a forthcoming essay collection entitled, "The Legacy of Jihad".

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Article...le.asp?ID=13371

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Another interpretation which says the same thing can be read at the "Islamic Server of MSA-USC" which is a website hosted on a subdomain of the University of California, it is at of course the same location, Qur'an, Chapter 47, Verse 4:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

Islamic scriptures speak of smiting the neck and beheading so often, I wouldn't know where to begin..... but I'll try.



Bukhari:V9B88N174 “I heard the Prophet saying, ‘Islam cannot change!’”


Muhammad became so afraid of being exposed, he ordered his followers to assassinate anyone who criticized him. The first was a poet named Ashraf. In an illiterate society, poets were the journalists of their day. Their words swayed public opinion. Ashraf recognized that pirate and prophet were divergent career paths, and he had the courage to say so. This Hadith is from Bukhari’s Collection, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 270: Bukhari:V4B52N270 “Allah’s Messenger said, ‘Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.’ Maslama got up saying, ‘Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet proclaimed, ‘Yes.’ Maslama said, ‘Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.’ Muhammad said, ‘You may do so.’”
Islam gives Muslims a license to lie and kill.
The story continues in the History of al-Tabari, Volume VII. My shorthand for this passage is: Tabari VII:94. “Ashraf suspected no evil when Maslama cried, ‘Smite the enemy of Allah!’ So they smote him, and their swords clashed over him. Maslama said, ‘I remembered my dagger and I seized it. I thrust it into the lower part of his body. I bore down upon it until I reached his genitals. Allah’s enemy fell to the ground.’”

Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”
While hideous, this act does not stand alone. Soon thereafter, Muhammad ordered Muslims to assassinate Sallam. Tabari, Islam’s earliest historian, explains: Tabari VII:101 “They asked the Prophet for permission to kill Sallam. He granted it.” Tabari VII:99 “When they got to Khaybar they went to Sallam’s house by night, having locked every door in the settlement on the inhabitants. He was in an upper chamber. His wife came out and asked who we were. We told her that we were Arabs in search of supplies. She told us that her husband was in bed. We entered and bolted his door. His wife shrieked and warned him of us, so we ran at him with our swords as he lay on his bed. When we had smitten him Abdallah bore down his sword into his belly until it went right through him. ‘By the God of the Jews, he is dead!’ Never have I heard sweeter words than those. We returned to Allah’s Apostle and told him that we had killed his enemy. We disputed before him as to who had killed him, each of us laying claim to the deed. Muhammad demanded to see our swords and when he looked at them he said, ‘It is the sword of Abdallah that killed him; I can see traces of food on it.’”
Deceiving victims is still standard operating procedure for Muslim militants. Attacking defenseless civilians is the very definition of terror. And so is gloating. Today’s Islamic terrorists are as eager as Muhammad’s original henchmen to claim “credit” for their deeds.
Ishaq’s Sira recounts a third Muhammad-inspired execution: Ishaq: 308 “Halfway to Medina, Ocba was called out to be executed.” Since the other prisoners were being held for ransom, Ocba asked Muhammad why he was being treated more harshly than the other captives. “The Prophet said, ‘Because of your enmity to Allah and to his Prophet.’ ‘And my little girl,’ cried Ocba in bitterness, ‘who will take care of her?’ ‘Hell Fire,’ Muhammad responded. At that moment he was decapitated. ‘Wretch that you were, [Muhammad eulogized ] you scoffed at me and claimed that your stories were better than mine. I give thanks that Allah has slain you and comforted me.’”

Allah condoned the murder in the 8th surah of the Qur’an, the 68th verse: 008.068 “It has not been for any prophet to take captives until he has slaughtered in the land.”
Allah approved kidnapping for ransom so long as his prophet slaughtered first. Ocba said something Muslims didn’t like, so they murdered him. No wonder authors, journalists, and politicians are afraid to critique Islam.


And who could forget this beauty that sordid already posted. According to Muhammad’s sacralized biography by Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe. He appointed an "arbiter" who soon rendered this concise verdict: the men were to be put to death, the women and children sold into slavery, the spoils to be divided among the Muslims.
Ishaq:463 “I pass judgment that their men shall be killed, their women and children made captives, and their property divided.”
Bukhari:V5B59N362 “So the Prophet killed the Qurayza men. He distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims.”
Tabari VII:158/Ishaq:437 “Abd Allah bin Ubayy sent a message to the Nadir saying, ‘Stand firm. I have two thousand Bedouin men who are united around me. Stay, and they will battle with you as will the Qurayza.’ However, Sallam, a Qurayza Jew said, ‘We shall not break our compact as long as I am alive. We are eminent among the Jewish people by virtue of our wealth.’ Continuing to speak to the Nadir Jews the Qurayza leader said, ‘Accept what Muhammad has proposed before you have to accept what is worse.’ ‘What could be worse?’ Huyayy, the Nadir chief asked. ‘The seizure of your wealth, the enslavement of your children, and the killing of your men,’ the Qurayza Jew replied. Huyayy refused to accept his advice. He told a Muslim courier, ‘We will not leave our homes and farms; so do what you see fit.’”

Ishaq:437 “So Allah cast terror into the hearts of the Jews. Then the Prophet said, ‘The Jews have declared war.’”
According to the lying prophet, the Jews had “declared war,” yet they never wielded a sword or shot an arrow. They were besieged. Starved into submission. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance.“The Messenger magnified Allah and the Muslims magnified Allah with him.”
This means they yelled, “Allahu Akbar!”—“Allah is Greatest!”

Tabari VIII:40 “The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence.”
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 “Huyayy, the enemy of Allah, was brought out. He was wearing a rose-colored suit of clothes that he had torn all over with fingertip-sized holes so that it would not be taken as booty. His hands were bound to his neck with a rope. When he looked at Muhammad he said, ‘I do not regret opposing you. Whoever forsakes God will be damned.’ He sat down and was beheaded.” The rabbi synthesized the Bible into a single sentence, “Whoever forsakes (separates) himself from Yahweh will be damned (separated) from him.” In the Scriptures, forsaken, damned, and separated are synonymous. This fine man chose not to separate himself from Yahweh and worship his adversary Satan, so he lost his life but saved his soul

Ishaq:459 “‘Then know,’ Nu’aym said, ‘the Jews regret what they did regarding relations with Muhammad. They told him, “Will you forgive us if we take nobles from the Quraysh and give them to you, so that you can behead them?” If the Jews ask for hostages, don’t comply.’”.

And yet another;
Ishaq:464/Tabari VIII:36 “Suddenly an unseen voice called out her name. It said, ‘Where is so and so?’ She said, ‘Here I am.’ ‘Good heavens,’ I cried, ‘what is wrong?’ She said, ‘I am going to be killed because of something I did.’ She was taken away and beheaded.

And another;
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet commanded that the ruin should be dug up. Some treasure was extracted from it. Then Muhammad asked Kinanah for the rest. He refused to surrender it; so Allah’s Messenger gave orders concerning him to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
It's hard to explain the events surrounding these brutal acts but here, he was torturing a man whose home and property he had stolen twice, and whose wife he was about to rape. This demotes Muhammad from a bloodthirsty terrorist and pirate to a demonic sadist. Now, consider the insanity of a man who claimed to be “the Messenger of God” raping a woman whose town he had terrorized, savaged, plundered, and enslaved. How could a man claim to be a “prophet” and yet be so demonic and sadistic, he would force a woman to have sex with him whose husband he had tortured and then beheaded, whose father he had assassinated, and whose cousins he had “given in trade” to one of his militants so that he might possess her?
The problem with Muhammad isn’t that he was the most vile bastard who ever lived; it’s his legacy. He perpetrated these heinous crimes while claiming to be “the best example,” “the ideal role model,” an Apostle speaking on behalf of God. This demented criminal established a new religion that has damned the souls of over two billion people; he inspired terrorism, and has led the world to the brink of global war. Anyone who promotes Muhammad’s verbal diarrhea as scripture, Muhammad’s life as exemplary, or Muhammad’s war manifesto as a peaceful religion, is no better than the degenerate who began it all simply to satiate his cravings.
It’s time we shed our ignorance, and admit the truth.

I'm going on vacation for a week, so slander away

Hey I am going away as well.

See you all in a week.

Logan.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/meast/07/01/iraq.saddam/top.saddam.onite.jpg
hay curley boy, behave or else

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/meast/07/01/iraq.saddam/top.saddam.onite.jpg
"asantana,
I lookink for you!"

I am comming to a conclusion that Saddam S H I T is far superior than your brains Curley......

http://www.inreview.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=402828

As loganc quite rightly pointed out,the USA still carries out disgusting executions themselves(electric chair)definitely not humane is it?so what right have you got to judge another country?please don't mention about going on trial first because we all know how corrupt your legal system is.Beheading is still the law in some countries and what your forgetting the most is that we are fighting a hopeless war.These terrorists haven't a hope in hell in fighting the allies face to face, so they have to result to dirty tactics.Without doubt there will be more atrocities to follow and the lengths they go to will get even more horrendous.But it will happen,its just a case of when and where they will strike next.I'm not having a dig at your nation just some of the idiots who live there.Moving on
It does seem this so called religion of theres is the blame for all events worldwide and it is starting to really piss me off.Unless the coalition forces start to get heavy handed then we might as well pull out altogether.These people are brainwashed to the hilt and the only language they understand is a bullet to the head.You cannot reason with these people.They have so much hatred for us(especially you lot)that we just cannot deal or trust them.Unfortunately we have a few fanactics over here as well.There has been many dawn raids lately on terrorists suspects.yet this crappy country allows these clerics to rant on about how this war is justified, along with all the massacres they carry out.We have another ******* who lives of our benefit system(£300 per week)rent paid for and other bills,yet his preaching hatred against us.I wish our government say stuff human rights and lets have him up in court for treason.You don't bite the hand that feeds you,do you?
Anyway Ive ranted enough myself so I'm shooting off now.but remember,brace yourself for more beheadings because its just a fact of life now and we just have to except it.Besides, there beliefs reckon its an Honorable way to go(including the romans etc).Yes but my answer to that is,not recording the execution and certainly not with a hand knife.Any prisoner they capture will run a high risk of being beheaded,sorry but they certainly wont let a yank go free.You can bet your life on that

kjlh