WHO is THE superpower: US or ISREAL?

Israel & Palestine Forum

i read isreal bomb a us navy ship (uss liberty i think) and this country did nothing. bush tells sharon to move out of palestine now but sharon moves on his own time schedule.sharon threw bush's road map in the trash. us is losing her blood and money in a war to remove an enemy of isreal and the sacrifice is not reciprocal. us gives 3bil a year, gives weapons ,oil...etc. isreal only gives votes. isreal has done more damage to america than the soviets. russia was manly threats unlike isreal. i'm confuse can someone help?

Israel, Zionists own the U.S.

U.S its self could also be a victim of Zionists.

Regarding the Liberty - The US actually sent out Fighter jets armed with Nuclear weapons, but as soon as they found out it was an accident due to friendly fire, they called off the Jets.

Israel apologized and reimbursed the family of fallen sailors.

And I believe it was the Palestinians who threw Bush's roadmap to the trash by refusing to disarm their militants - and this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/St...,994106,00.html

Why bother Merkava? You think the original poster has even READ the roadmap. I doubt he has the attention span to get through the funny papers in the morning.

and one more thing Malcom X : this year they give 9bil because bush is a "good boy"

This entire incident has been investigated and your position has been found without merit TWBR/Malcolm/Mike. Bringing it up is nothing but denial of such.

Stop the nonsense. One moment you're saying Israel is the US's best ally, then you say Israel bombed an American ship (in 1967 no less).

Man you guys will stop at nothing to wage yoru propaganda campaigns.

Yeeaahh.........theres no use in discussing these type of incidents with people who suffer from ignorance.

This from a guy who believes Israel was behind the 9/11 WTC incident

No, there you go, again, lying,

Im a guy who is researching the Zionist connection to 9/11.

Please, stop making bullsh!t accusations, im really tired.

And you say that with such convictions too. Like there is some sort of difference in your arguments.

Let's see. You have Zionist, Jews, and Israelis. All are bad who are attacking Palestinians and apparently Americans too by this last post of yours.

You are in deep need of medication.

No, forget the Jew, only Zionists and Israelis.

just to make things perfectly clear to everybody, so there are no misconceptions

I AM THE SUPERPOWER! US AND ISRAEL GOTS NOTHIN' ON ME

bladdow

watcha think about that?

[QUOTE]Dekka00 said this in post #13 :
just to make things perfectly clear to everybody, so there are no misconceptions

I AM THE SUPERPOWER! US AND ISRAEL GOTS NOTHIN' ON ME

bladdow

watcha think about that? ['

TO ALL ISRAEL SUPPORTERS:

Lieutenant James Ennes, who was on the Liberty, wrote a detail book about the crime called ASSAULT ON THE LIBERTY, printed in 1979. if you would like the truth rather than propaganda, i would like to suggest you read it over the holidays.

Woolfe im pretty sure that Malcom was not aware that David Duke was a KKK member, and im sure that James Ennes is not like David Duke.

What those US sailors saw is completely irrelelvant - because what they saw was Israeli jets specifically aiming their guns at them, and firing.

They couldn't read the Israeli pilot's mind, they couldnt know if it was a case of mistaken identity or not. They're too traumatized and emotionally distrubed by the incident to have a legitimite say.

Israel has already released documented proof that it was a case of mistaken identity - and the only line of defense the survivors had was that the document was "doctored".

Again, siding with the attackers story, not good at all.

TWBR, are you "malcomxx?" I am not accusing. Just asking.

- woolfe

Nope

Woolfe that is pretty low, it's as good as accusing, I just had this on the religion forum - some guy saying me and devildog were the same person (luckily the admin was able to prove this wasn't the case).

http://www.inreview.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=402828

the world court tells isreal to tear down its "security" barrier and sharon says no. sharon and bush run the world.

Asking..accusing..same thing, just a politer way of saying it.

Well I'm nothing if not polite. Sometimes. I just got asked by someone in another thread if I was another poster as well, and I didn't take offence to it. Fact is, people post under multiple nicks all the time, so I can't blame someone for being suspicious.


The person was raven200, but then the admin emailed him making it clear that we lived on different sides of the world and we couldn't be the same person.

We agree on the terrorist nature of Islam.

He thought that I am pretending to be an anti-zionist to take away suspicion, and apparently me becoming anti-Islam gradually was another way to show how good devildog is.

That's a hoot. You two are the last I would ever accuse of being the same person.

Your views on Israeli conduct are pretty clear, but do you also think that Islamic extremism is a factor in the present dispute?

- woolfe

Raistlin8r,

I don't know, sir, I think Israel is one tough cookie even in comparison to the US.
I am not sure how long the US would stand up to constant infilitration of islamic terrorists on both the Canadian and Mexican borders.
It's truly a miracle Israel still stands while having her enemies on all borders determined to push her into the sea.

And it's insane that the rest of the world criticizes Israel for trying to defend herself. The US goes after Osama bin laden, and saddam hussein and that's ok with the world.
But when Israel kills a couple of Hamas leaders...it's an atrocity.
And to think the leader of terrorism, Arafat, gets a nobel peace prize makes my blood boil.
Double standard applies to Israel and it's wrong.

You have millions of Christians in America praying for Israel and for the peace of Jerusalem.
Shalom.

this is funny

let me let you Zionist conspiracy theorists in on something:

the Zionism in America does not come from Jews in government perpetrating their agenda and spreading Zionist propaganda.

The Zionist occupied government (oh yeah, I'm not denying that our government is controlled by Zionists) is from Christian Zionism.

Let's make that clear before we move any further aye?

Inner City Blue,
You said:
Well yes, evangelicals support Israel for the sole purpose of them being raptured so they can go to heaven. That's why you see such a large conservative following for Israel."

I support Israel because in Psalms it says to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, Not because it will cause the rapture to happen any sooner or for me to be caught up in the rapture.

We believe that the Jews are God's chosen people, even though many of them are in rebellion against God. And that is why we support Israel. And people who hate God, seem to hate the Jews too because they are His chosen ones.
You could call me a Christian Zionist and that's ok by me.;

Israelis4ever,
At the end of the day Jews only have other Jews to rely on. That's how it's always been for Jews. It is important to acknowledge the help Jews have gotten from Christians and the right but Jews must also be prepared for the day when Jews are forced to take sides in their own survival"

At the end of the day you have Jehovah to rely on, irregardless of who will be against Israel in the end.

israel4ever support of ones country is not just a jewish right and being critical of your country doesn't mean you hate your country.unconditional support for your country is dangerous.

There is nothing subversive about anything I've said and I dare you to post anything I've said that is subversive. Do you even know what the word means?

Main Entry: sub·ver·sion
Pronunciation: s&b-'v&r-zh&n, -sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Late Latin subversion-, subversio, from Latin subvertere
1 : the act of subverting : the state of being subverted; especially : a systematic attempt to overthrow or undermine a government or political system by persons working secretly from within
2 obsolete : a cause of overthrow or destruction

There is nothing subversive about my language. Post exactly what you think is subversive or admit you were wrong.

well you really missed the point didn't you

RACE CARD EXAMPLE:

a black fellow runs a stop sign and gets pulled over, then claims that the cop pulled him over cuz he's black

I missed nothing.

You've given me another bad analogy. A black claiming he was pulled over because he was black is not the same thing as a Jew asking someone who is trying to define what is anti-semitic if he is Jewish.

you missed it again....

ICB said

and for the third time, you missed it again

he is saying, as a black person, he sees other black people pull out the race card all the time

you are pulling the race card. And it is absurd. The fact that you are a Jew means nothing. Anti-Zionism does not equal Anti-Semitism.

The fact that there are anti-Zionist Jews is proof.

For the third time you are wrong.

You can not tell a Jew what is or isn't anti-semitic if you aren't Jewish. Period. It's absurd that you would even try.

Anti-Zionist does equal Anti-Semitism. The fact that there are Anti-Zionist Jews means nothing.

So what if a Jewish person comes on here and disagrees with your statement, are they less Jewish than you or a self-hating Jew? I'm sure there are other Jewish people that disagree with your statements.

Jews can be anti-semitic just as non Jews are. If a Jew singles Israel out for criticism or holds Israel to a different standard than other countries, or tries to justify massacres of Jew then that Jew would be anti-semitic.

There are Jews like antizionist 2004 who disagree with me. They are the same kind of Jews who single Israel out for criticism, justify massacres of Jew and holds Israel to a different standard than other countries. They are no better than the non Jew who does the same thing.

I understand now.

For you, Zionism=Judaism therefore Anti-Zionist=Anti-Semitism

if there is someone who's parents are Jewish, but they are anti-Zionist, they are not really Jewish.




well the sane world defines Judaism as Judaism, and Zionism as Zionism. Anti-Semitism is hatred of Jews. It has nothing to do with the Nation-State of Israel.

how about a Zionist anti-Semite, who views Israel as a massive Jewish ghetto?

"You have Israel so get the **** out of America"


(note that is not my opinion I am just bringing up a point)

LOL.

You are really struggling with this aren't you?

Zionism doesn't = Judaism and anti-Semitism is not just the hatred of Judaism.

Don't try and hide behind what I think other Jews are or aren't. It has nothing to do with who you are or aren't.

Sane people don't try and tell Jews what is or isn't anti-semitic. Sane people don't try and hide behind Jews or use Jews as cover for their own feelings. Sane people don't deny that people do channel their hate for Jews through Israel.

you're just a little bundle of denial and egocentrism aren't you?

well I'm done here. G'day to you sir.

Thank you for your psychoanalyzing me. What pisses me off it when Jews defend Arab terrorists. What pisses me off is when Jews condone Arab terrorist or try and justify it. That's what pisses me off.

Your analogy with Bill Crosby is wrong. Bill Cosby is not attacking Blacks while condoning, defending or justifying the KKK. That is the equivalent of Jews attacking Israel while condoning, defending or justifying attacks on Jews.

Please don't speak for Jew on how they feel or what bonds they have. You are in no position to do that and you don't know what you're talking about. Jews had a connection with each other for thousands of years. It was not the holocaust that gave Jews a connection. The holocaust was the latest in a long line of crimes that gentiles have committed against Jews. It was not the first.

You are wrong about not holding dictatorships to the same standard as a democracy. It's because of thinking like that, that allows dictatorships to get away with their crimes.

what about a Jew who both condemns terrorists and attacks (verbally) Israel?

My goodness, this is the greatest presentation of textual selection without addressing being point made that I have eveer seen.

well I am not hiding behind Jews, I am hiding behind one particular Jew: antizionist2004


and if you browse through some other of his posts, you will find he is just as harsh, if not harsher, on fanatical Islam as he is on Israel.



I wonder what he has to say about all this.