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| Posted by: photek | | so far this seems to be his constant, and probably, only source for support. it is a british newspaper called 'the independent.'
i don't have to explain much. his post entitled '14,000 sites in iraq targeted where are the wmd' contained this link to an article in that british paper. i decided to read the article, and realized why nowar goes there for his support.
here's a clip from the article featured in his post [/world...sp?story=396733]:
'The few "discoveries" trumpeted in the media – the odd barrel here, a few dozen shells there – have not been on a scale that could reasonably justify the unprovoked military invasion of a sovereign country, and in most cases have been proven to been no more than rumour, or propaganda, or a mixture of the two.'
wow. i wasn't aware that it was a newspaper's job to tell readers how resonable the war was, or how unjustified, or unprovoked, that it was a 'military invasion' and dismiss everything else as 'rumour, propaganda, or a mixture of the two.'
this is a real newspaper??? hahahahahaha, you must be joking!!
that has to be the most shameful pieces of official journalism i have ever seen. they even put discoveries in quotes.
classic.
ok try another source nowar, and this time something credible and not written by clowns. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: photek | | check out nowar's new source!! his reports are precise and hot off the press from www.jihadunspun.net
i especially love the front page with bush's picture in the top left and osama bin laden's in the top right.
hahahahha.
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| Posted by: DaveDom | | Say what you want about the Independant it is a respected paper in Britain. Have you ever heard of commentators expressing their opinions in papers. All papers have them and any good paper would employ commentaters that come from both sides of the argument.
How about this from Fox News ownder Rupert Murdoch: he actually excused Sadam's gas attack on the Kurds all those years ago as self defense! Come to think of it, and nothing to do with papers or the media, James Kelly US secretary of state went to visit Sadam a year after 5000 Kurds were gased to death and told him that he was a moderating influence on the area and the US could do business with him. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: scottc | | In addition, the independent is just that. The point of the paper is that, unlike most other newspapers, it is not tied to any political party. This means they do not have to bend over and bark whatever the tory/labour party tell them. Of course this must seem quite alien in the USA. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: photek | |
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Originally posted by DaveDom
Say what you want about the Independant it is a respected paper in Britain. Have you ever heard of commentators expressing their opinions in papers. All papers have them and any good paper would employ commentaters that come from both sides of the argument.
How about this from Fox News ownder Rupert Murdoch: he actually excused Sadam's gas attack on the Kurds all those years ago as self defense! Come to think of it, and nothing to do with papers or the media, James Kelly US secretary of state went to visit Sadam a year after 5000 Kurds were gased to death and told him that he was a moderating influence on the area and the US could do business with him. |
i'am sorry but i don't watch fox news. i hope you don't either.
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| Posted by: photek | |
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Originally posted by DaveDom
Say what you want about the Independant it is a respected paper in Britain. Have you ever heard of commentators expressing their opinions in papers. All papers have them and any good paper would employ commentaters that come from both sides of the argument.
How about this from Fox News ownder Rupert Murdoch: he actually excused Sadam's gas attack on the Kurds all those years ago as self defense! Come to think of it, and nothing to do with papers or the media, James Kelly US secretary of state went to visit Sadam a year after 5000 Kurds were gased to death and told him that he was a moderating influence on the area and the US could do business with him. |
well yes, i'am sure it's respected amongst those who share it's views. that's just common sense.
but seriously, this is what is considered a respectable newspaper by people??????
hey dave, have you read that article? and you've actually read the whole thing without laughing? when every single word either implicates or suggests or accuses? it's so blatantly biased.
from an objective point of view this paper is a joke. i know b.s when i hear it from the u.s gov. and see it on u.s media. i also know b.s when i see and read international media, and this paper is full of it.
i just can't get over the language in this paper, haha. in case you've forgotten:
it is not the media's job to tell the public what is justified, or reasonable.
it is not the media's job to be sarcastic and put words in quotations to mock their validity.
the media's job is to report the truth and what's happening. that's the factor which establishes justification and reason.
instead, this paper throws in facts...but then completely loses their credibility with the hyperboles and sarcasm and other colorful comments.
it's about as respectable as fox news.
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| Posted by: DaveDom | |
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Originally posted by photek
i'am sorry but i don't watch fox news. i hope you don't either. |
I don't get Fox in the UK but I hear it's the most popular station in the States covering the war. We do have lots and lots of Mudoch's media over here though and he wants more 
I try to get news and information from as many places as possible, TV, radio, papers, books, the internet, and this forum.
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| Posted by: photek | |
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Originally posted by DaveDom
I don't get Fox in the UK but I hear it's the most popular station in the States covering the war. We do have lots and lots of Mudoch's media over here though and he wants more
I try to get news and information from as many places as possible, TV, radio, papers, books, the internet, and this forum. |
that is good.
though i oppose your view very much dave, and i may speak sternly, i accept most of your arguments and respect their validity. it's good to know that you have varied sources.
now if you could convince some of your anti-war allies here to follow in your steps....
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| Posted by: nowar | | @photek
you forgot these as my sources:
BBC
Newyorker
LA Times
the guardian
Fox News ..... in fact AFP
Le monde
Le soir
NY Times
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If you read the source - which I give when I post an article or part of an article - you wil see that it's not JihadUnspun ..... but you didn't read my posts .......
JihadUnspun is making links to plenty of sources ..... if you don't like it don't go there but you will miss a lot of information: from both side and not only the ones you want to see ...
Check the source, check the source ...... in clear: READ FROM THE FIRST LINE TILL THE LAST ONE .....  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nowar | | oops, I forgot:
your motive is: the Iraqi people is free now so who cares about the rest .......
your point of view, not mine.
You don't like .... don't read ..... you are free if I remember ..... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: DaveDom | |
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Originally posted by photek
from an objective point of view this paper is a joke. i know b.s when i hear it from the u.s gov. and see it on u.s media. i also know b.s when i see and read international media, and this paper is full of it.
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Like I said, ALL newspapers have commentators. Commentators are sometimes celebrities, politicians or whatever. They are paid to express their opinions. They are not paid to be objective, quite the contrary. ALL newspapers employ them. Do not get them confused with objective journalistic reporting.
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