How will it all end?

Book 7: HP and the Deathly Hallows Forum

How do you think this series of superb books will end. I honestly think, and don't laugh or anything, but I think the only way for Voldemort to die is for Harry to die. OR.... Harry duels Voldemort, kills him, and everyone that Voldemort kills comes back, and Harry sees his parents again. Along with this, Ron becomes Head Boy and wins Quidditch Cup and House Cup (first book and that mirror?)

Welcome to the forum Zeppelinrules16.

I think that Dumbledore will allow Voldemort to kill him. This will give Harry the anger to perform the killing curse on Voldemort. Another possibility is that Harry may be able to get a dementor to perform a kiss on Voldemort. Dumbledore said that there are things much worse than death. This could be it.

Take a look at the main HP page. We have a lot of threads about the series there.

I think harry will kill voty for good than dumbledore will congrat he loke all ways

Harry could die himself you know. If he is connected to Voldemort then the only way to kill him would be for Harry to die also.

It is possible that Harry will die, but I don't think the fans would ever give JKR any peace if she kills him.

It could turn into a Gandalf type thing. He dies only to be brought back more powerful and gets his revenge.

That is what I keep wondering. If she does something like that, she will get a ton of people saying that she ripped off Tolkien. I have a feeling that she will try to create her own true ending.
Don't kill Harry.

The only person who knows what will happen is J.K. Rowling, we can speculate all we want. Perhaps Harry will sacrifice himself to kill Voldemort.

I respect the way she has written the Harry Potter books actually. Some of the times you can see how she has been influenced by other authors but to come up with a mostly original idea is quite amazing. (I mean wizards and dragons are hardly original are they).

Now if we can only convert Nathan to a HP reader.

Thats Shadow Stalker on this site isn't it. I dont know if that is possible

Yes that is shadow. I think if he gave it a chance he would really like it.

To be honest I only started reading the books for a few reasons. One my sister reads them so I wouldn't have to buy any and two the media have lost alot of interest in Harry Potter. I said to myself about a year or so ago that when the media lost interest I would read it.

How long do you think it will be before there is a cartoon series of Harry Potter?

But the prophecy said that each can only die by the other killing them. It says nothing that one death will mean both deaths. I guess that we will just have to see. Should JKR allow Harry to die, there will be millions of upset fans, and I would hope that she doesn't want her fans upset.

Nathan told me he wants to read the HP books but doesn't have time right now

I think that the Dementors are excempt from that rule. They almost killed Harry in POA, but then the Basilisk almost killed him aswell.

Dementors won't kill you...they'll suck out your soul, which is worse than death.


And the basilisk was being controlled by Voldemort so it was a weapon voldiepoo could use to kill Harry.

Go Heather! Calling him Voldie-poo. I am so proud.

I am too... Sherry, can we adopt her? Huh? I always wanted another sister to add to you and I. PLEASE!!!!

Heather do you want to be our little sister?

Yeah... Heather, do you want to be our little sister?
This package comes with a brother too... Grant!
And, you're guaranteed to get the crapped bugged outta ya, by us!

Well, mostly by Kris and Grant.

Oh, she is soooo invited to be our sister.

Well, this certainly is what I would call a disFUNctional family.

So are you in? We do have fun.

Of course I'm in!!!

Cool. I will let Grant know.

Wow... I've got TWO sisters now. One older (and she THINKS wiser) and one younger (and probably cuter too)... and one younger brother (who's too busy boozing and chasing women to be around here lately).

Yeah, I'm probably cuter, but I'd rather be smarter. You guys are brilliant.

Thinks I am huh? Sheesh, there she goes again picking on me. She is just mad cause Grant and I don't let her sing with us.

That's okay... I don't WANT to sing with you guys. You can't stand to have someone sing better than you!

I am not brilliant either. I am just a bit crazy and inspired at times.

A BIT crazy, Sherry? You are waaaaaaaaaaay UNDER exaggerating!

You're both smarter than me.

No Heather, you are just humble.

Neville Longbottom may yet hold the secret to the end. If I remember correctly the proficy only said about Voldemort being beaten but diodint say how many times by the same person.

This is the prophecy...

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies...and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not...And either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."


JK Rowling said in an interview that she worded this prophecy very carefully, so we have to be careful how we read and interpret it.

It points to Harry but we dont know what lays in the future. Neville may yet have a hand in the final battle that is unforseen.

Oh, I definitely think Neville will have a hand in the final battle. But I still think that only Harry can destroy Voldemort.

Friendship is an ongoing theme in the series. His friends will be there when it all happens.

Which makes me think that Ron Weasley will probably die saving Harrys Life, if any Weasley was to die that is.

I've already mentioned how I would feel if Harry, Ron, or Hermione would die. I would never be able to re read the books. Those 3 characters mean too much to me. Ron could die, and there are some things that could maybe foreshadow his death, but it's a direction I really hope she doesn't go in.

Again like Sirius it would progress the story.

Another character that could have an impact on the final part of the books is Victor Krum.

JKR said we will see him again.

But what could he do in the future.

I'm not sure.

wouldn't it be disappointing if JKR made the last few words say "and then Harry woke up, and it was all a dream."

i'd go CRAZY if that happened, seriously.

That is the worst ending that anyone ever came up with. I dont think that the though of finishing it like that has even crossed her mind.

i would hate for JKR 2 put an ending like that!! i dont think she would anyway! least i hope not!

I doubt it would go in that direction. I can't remember if it was true or not, but I remember the last word of the 7th book was supposed to be "scar". Can't remember if that was JKR or just a rumour though...

I'm thinking that a fair few important people will die, but the story will not leave us feeling empty. That's the only thing I can be sure of, I guess.

Well I was just talking from an English course-work perspective.

My teachers at any school I have been at hated that ending and banned it from use, so I don't particular like it either.

One of my teachers hated the word 'nice' and banned that.

The scar is not a horcrux. It takes planning to make a horcrux, and Voldemort intended to kill Harry. Dead baby = no horcrux. I think she tried to mislead her readers with the scar.

The prophesy is talking about Harry and/or Neville. Sybil started working at Hogwarts the year Harry was born in 1980.

I thought the scar may have been a horcrux based on Dumbledore's statement that the killing curse leaves no mark, except in Harry's case!

Whatever the outcome, I'm hoping nobody has sussed it out and JKR surprises us, which I'm certain she will.

I believe Godfrey Griffindor will feature largely in the final book and I think Harry will visit his parents house (Godfrey's Hollow ?) to check if Voldemort left something there like the Slytherin ring he left at his Grandfathers house. He might even discover he's a direct descendant of Griffindor!

Any ideas when book 7 will be available? the suspence is sapping a lot of my time!

The book is supposed to be released on 7-7-07.

I think that the journey to Godrics Hollow will be an interesting one. I do think Harry is the heir of Gryffindor. As for the last horcrux, I have no clue unless it is the snake. JKR always surprises me and that is what I love about the books.

I love that there are so many theories out there... but that we keep trying to figure things out, and she always throws us a curve ball. I'm looking forward to his trip back "home" where it all started for him, and seeing if Harry is truly the heir, and if that darn Nagini is a horcrux or not.

Im going to be sad when this happens..but i really think that ROn and/or Hermione will die.Story will move on.Its like if ROn dies then Harry will want to kill voldy more than he already does.

About Krum coming back..I dun think he'll actually play a big part but something small that'll help HArry destroy the horcruxes

I also think that HArry is the Heir of Gryffindor..as for the last horcrux..either the snake or something i dont know.Maybe somthing thats in HArry's life.

From the content of the sixth book, i think all the journeys in the seventh book will be great especially the 1 to Godric's Hollow.Maybe thats where he'll find out hes Gryffiondor's Heir if its true

I don't think that Ron will die. He was Harry's first friend, but I do think that either Lupin or Hagrid will die in the last book.

Most probably would be HAgrid because J.k has somehting against people who love HArry

After hooking him up with Tonks, I don't think JK would snatch Lupin away.

We would hope that she wouldn't... that would make a sad ending.

Then again, I have a feeling that we're going to lose more than one beloved character in this last book.

While I think that there will be a good ending... the path to that ending isn't going to be pretty, or nice.

Listening to Stephen Fry reading some of the Harry Potter books highlighted a few points that I had previously missed and strengthened some other views.

On McGonnegals instruction, because past Hogwarts Head teachers are able to travel between their portraits, I think Dumbledore will visit Godrics Hollow to give Harry guidance and advice. Also I think the Chocolate Frog cards of Dumbledore might surprise us if he can travel between those too! ("Dumbledore isnt bothered what they do as long as they dont remove him from the Chocolate Frog cards" - Order of The Phoenix)

After trying to get into JKR's way of thinking regarding who is to die in the last book, I think Harry will be hit by the Averda Cadaevre Curse and die. However, I think that Hermione will use muggle first aid on him and get his heart started again with cpr etc.

Does anyone believe Snape is on the side of good? He gave Harry tips about closing his mind during battles didn't he?

I think Harry will not be able to kill, just like Dumbledore, so there's still a possibility Neville, Draco or Ginny will finish off The Dark Lord and it wont be a killing curse that does it either. You never know, he might get locked up forever in a bottle like a genie!

Wouldn't it be cool if Neville's Gran is an Animagus and turns out to be a Toad? Pity Nevilles toad is called Trevor.

What house was Dumbledore in?
Was Dumbledore related to Harry at all?
Will we see Fawkes again?

Hogwarts end of term question in History of Magic;

Q1: Dumbledore and William Flamell were one and the same person - DISCUSS.

Some good points in there I like the chocolate frog part... 'cept I don't know if the cards have the ability to talk...

Getting his soul sucked out by a dementor... That would be interesting.. It'd have to be done seven times, but other than that, I don't see any reason why it couldn't be done.
There is the bothersome idea that dementors like having Voldemort around since he gives them a looser rein than the MoM. That brings in the question of their intelligence. If they're smart enough, they would realize that finishing him off would, in the end, be a mistake that would cost them their freedom, and if the MoM gets smarter themselves, their existence.

...Wow...Imagine a dementor kissing Nagini...I wonder if they're immune to her venom?

i recon they would less likly kiss LV because he only have a fraction of his soul inside him

IF they are hungry, then a portion of a soul is still a snack.

why have a snack when you can have a feast? maybe if they were left in a room with him maybe ... but volde will prob just bargain with the dementor ...

Well, don't know that a dementor can be bargained with. They just want to feed on a soul. And besides, if they know that they have no choice, they will drain him.

Maybe there's a dementor somewhere out there that's gorged himself a bit too much and he's trying to cut back on his serving sizes.

or an anorexic dementor who is watching calories.

Maybe they'll get a bulemic one to suck his soul, one part at a time, reguritate them into a jar (Soul in a Jar..any D&D players?..heh..geeky joke.), so they'll be in one place at one time, then let Harry set it on fire or something.

Okay, does anyone think any of the weird things that Harry and the D.A. found in the Department of Magic back in book 5 OoTP will come into play?

Definatly ... i also think other small things mentioned in the room of requirement - where harry put the HBP potion book ... there are small things that JK puts in the book that we just read through, thinking its just creating the sceen, but later come into play ... there are clues everywhere

Not just the book ... ill have a look at the chapter where he ran through that room ... there might be clues, he might see something if he goes back for the book, or maybe even use the cuboard that malfoy used to get de into school

i found the part when harry has to hide the HBP's book in the RofR ...

Yes, that is the Vanishing Cabinet Draco Malfoy fixed to allow the Death Eaters access to Hogwarts. How did the twins know that Montague would have problems in it when they locked him in it?
I wonder... if those shimmering corked bottles contain memories!... if that axe was the one used on Nearly Headless Nick and if it could be used again to finish the job off ha ha! Did JKR put those latter details in as red herrings or clues for things to come?

I had a good read through some of the other Harry Potter threads and was enlightened. Had I done that earlier then my previous epics would have been comfortably shorter However:-

How come Fred and George got so good at magic? They certainly impressed Hermione. I think Harry will use some of Fred and Georges magical tricks / distraction thingies etc. in the next book.

Viktor Krum might be the key to finding one of the 7 Hawcruxes which may have been left in safe keeping with the death eater Karcheroff.

How do you destroy a Hawcrux anyway? In the Hawcruxes thread (cant remember where it was) I like the theory that Dumbledore may have absorbed a part of Mouldy Warts sole when the ring was 'destroyed'

Dumbledore is / was secret keeper to the location of the Order of the Phoenix so now he's dead is no one else able to join the Order at 12 Grimauld Place and can Snape still visit?

I thought Crookshanks might have been a Weesley animagus but I couldnt link him to any of the family.

I think the magic the Dark Lord Knows not, which is stored in abundance in the dept. of mysteries, could be available to Harry for use against Voldiepoo and that it might take the form of power and magical abilities of all those who have been murdered by him / on his behalf.

I believe Harry will find he can do powerful magic without his wand; he was able to sting Snape during his occlumency lessons; he made the window dissappear at the zoo and he used "lumos" during the dementor attack when he was trying to find his wand. Did he have his wand out in that lesson? I dont have the book to refer to.

Here's another, I wonder if Neville's parents transferred their minds into Neville's in order to prevent them revealing the location of Harrys parents when they were being tormented under Bellatrix and Barty Crouch Jr's cruciatus curses! that might explain his memory troubles!

This is scraping the barrel a bit but does anyone think that Nagini could be the boaconstrictor he set free in the Philosophers Stone?

I have a few more 'gems' but they'll keep for later
ps, am I posting these in the correct place?

oops ...load of old cobblers .... sole (sp) I meant soul

hmm that does sound familiar. I think we need to figure that one out for sure. I am re-reading book 5. If anyone gets a 100% answer, please post it.

I think i either red it somewhere on an essay on the lexicon, or on mugglecast

I just had an abomination when listening to mugglecast ... could the power of 7 be used by the weasly family (they have 7 children). Voldy has 7 parts of his soul (5 now). but the power of 7 seems to be important