Hamas: Attacks against Israel will continue after Gaza pullout

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Hamas: Attacks against Israel will continue after Gaza pullout

By The Associated Press

GAZA CITY - The Islamic militant group Hamas will continue attacks against Israelis, despite plans to withdraw settlements and military bases from the Gaza Strip, a top Hamas leader in Gaza said Saturday.

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Senior Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar meeting with Palestinian officials in Gaza on Saturday. (Reuters)

"We do not trust the Israelis and we do not trust that the Israelis are going to withdraw from Gaza while they are speaking of controlling the sea and the air. Until the occupation completely ends, our resistance will continue," Mahmoud al-Zahar said.

Al-Zahar's comments came as Egyptian officials worked on an agreement for maintaining security in Gaza, Hamas' stronghold, in the wake of the planned pullback.

Egypt has offered to send security advisers to Gaza to help train and equip Palestinian forces, but al-Zahar said he rejected the proffered assistance.

"We are against any sort of commitment to any security steps on any side," al-Zahar told reporters in Gaza City. "We are still in the resistance ... to free our land from the occupation."

However, al-Zahar later said Hamas leaders abroad were expected to begin talks with Egyptian officials within several days.

Al-Zahar spoke before a meeting with Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia, who made a rare trip to Gaza to meet with the heads of the various Palestinian security branches and members of Palestinian political and militant groups.

It was al-Zahar's first public appearance since the funeral of Hamas' Gaza leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi, who was assassinated by Israel in April. Al-Zahar is one of Hamas' top leaders in Gaza. Many Hamas leaders have gone into hiding since then, though it is considered unlikely Israel would target Hamas leaders during a meeting with Qureia.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's cabinet approved a plan Sunday to evacuate settlements and soldiers from the volatile coastal strip by the end of 2005. Under the plan, Israel would maintain control of Gaza's coast, airspace and border with Egypt.

Al-Zahar said that the continued Israeli presence was unacceptable.

He did leave open the possibility that Hamas, which rejects the existence of Israel and hopes to replace it with an Islamic state, could change its position.

"When we hear something concrete, about full sovereignty, we will think about what is proposed to us," he said. "At this moment, our position stands firm. Our endeavor is a liberation endeavor, and if this liberation is not a full and comprehensive one, our endeavor will continue."

In addition to sending security advisers to Gaza, Egypt intends to increase the number of troops on its side of the border with Gaza and to help build new police stations and jails in the territory.

Egypt has also demanded Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat reorganize the nearly one dozen Palestinian security forces into three branches and give up much of his control over them.

Al-Zahar also warned Arab leaders not to cooperate with U.S. President George Bush, and called on them all to reject his proposals for reform in the Arab world.



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Haaretz Daily - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/438200.html

"We do not trust the Israelis and we do not trust that the Israelis are going to withdraw from Gaza while they are speaking of controlling the sea and the air. Until the occupation completely ends, our resistance will continue," Mahmoud al-Zahar said.

Here we see why Hamas doesnt want to agree with any peace plans with Israel because to Hamas, Israel is not trust worthy and Israel wont stop the occupation.

If Israel could somehow make its self trust worthy and stop the occupation, then Hamas is willing to have peace and will look forward the two-state solution.

Unless, when they say occupation they mean the entire land. If thats the case, then Hamas doesnt want the two-state solution or a peace plan.

Can you believe this guy above? Hamas is one of the main reasons why your people TWBR have little to no peace today.

Now you may call this resistance if you want, however nothing positive ever come from their activities for the Palestinian people. When will you and others realize that maybe, just maybe they are hurting your cause more than helping it?

[B]We cant be 100% sure that Hamas and the other organizations are working on the the destruction of Israel. Do they want Israel to be destroyed? Yes, are they capable of doing so, not at this time.

I've seen Militants saying that they wouldnt mind to see a Jewish state in the Middle East aslong as they get their 67 borders, east jerusalem, and other things.

Israel could be doing the same, they could give the Palestinians what they want and then in the future, a new intifada will start and Israel will continue to steal the Palestinian land until there is no more.[B]

Why would a "new intafada start" if the Palestinians are given what they want? That's the real problem here. Your post hints at two things - ending the occupation may not end terrorism, and that terrorism gives Israel a reason to take Palestinian lands.

As former PM Abbas said, once the PA gets its house in order, the Israelis will no longer have an excuse to be there. Their best defense is reform, not terrorism.

- woolfe

Who said that the Palestinians would start it?

And the Palestinian resistance is not terrorism.

I will explain later.

You said "a new Intafada would start." Israel does not start "Intafadas." I am unclear on your point.

What i meant was that Israel would do something to trigger a new intifada would start, since Israel triggered it , they are responsible for the new intifada.

Didnt Sharon trigger the second Intifada?

Didnt that Zionist who massacred 29 Palestinians trigger the start of suicide bombings?

I am sure they did.

And these Palestinian organizations are totaly different from the Mafia.


Al-Aqsa Martyrs chief says will halt attacks

Zacharia Zubeidi, commander of the Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades in Jenin and a target of Israel's most-wanted lists, said Monday that he would halt terror attacks if IDF forces withdrew from the violence-torn West Bank city and settlements in the area.

Zubeidi, speaking in Hebrew to Israel Radio, said that members of the Martyrs armed group could join the Palestinian Authority security forces after an Israeli pull-out.

Senior PA officials had already asked Zubeidi to cease attacks following a future withdrawal, he said.

Last year, during the brief tenure of then-PA prime minister Mahmoud Abbas, Zubeidi, like many Al Aqsa Martyrs commanders, refused to recognize the hudna, or temporary truce on attacks, declared by Hamas and other militant groups.

In remarks broadcast on Monday, however, Zubeidi, referring to Palestinian officials with whom he had spoken, said, "They know that when the Israelis go out of Jenin, I, in sum, will stop."

He added that "As long as they [remain], I cannot stop, because they come to kill me. I cannot put my hands up. I will never put my hands up. That's it - period. If they leave Jenin, I have no problem. But as long as they are in Jenin, I shoot, because they are coming to kill me."

Zubeidi said that the decision to stop attacks would come from Ramallah, the seat of the PA government chaired by Arafat, also leader of Fatah.

"Ramallah decides. If Ramallah decides that we stop, we will stop. If Ramallah decides that we should join the Palestinian security [services], we will join. I have no problem.

"First, though, the soldiers must leave. The IDF must get out of our territory. If Israel leaves Jenin altogether, and does not come back, doesn't bring in tanks and kill us every day, there's no need even to raise up weapons."

The few West Bank settlements that may be evacuated under the disengagement plan are located outside of Jenin.


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I am really on the border line of reducing myself to something other than I profess. The consistent garbage you (TWBR) continue to spread here is unreal. You blame nothing, NOTHING on your own people. You continue to believe your idiocies about Israel will start another “infatada” to take your land. What’s stopping them from simply taking it in the first place?

You are empty of any realistic values and perspectives on life in favor of your anti-West and Israel rhetoric you read from your obvious and usual sources of contention.

I hope you’re in college and not Kill Israel University either. I think if you go to some sort of educational facility, you will see that you indeed are very unknowledgeable and impressionable by that garbage you consistently read from your websites.

Oh yeah right, Sharon triggered the Intifada by going to the Temple Mount. The Palestinians who actually carried out all the terrorist attacks have no responsibility. It's all about the fact that Sharon did something that symbolically pissed off the Palestinians. Of course people should always start 4 year waves of daily terrorist actitivities to protest things like Sharon going to the Temple Mount. It's the only reasonable response. Why consider a non-violent protest?

Or yes, perhaps it was about the actions of a single nutcase that happened in 1993.

I'll tell you what, all the Israeli actions right now are retaliation for Hebron that happened in 1929. Why not, sounds rational to me.

- woolfe

Hey OneOfPeace, why dont u actually use your brain and start to talk about the topic and not about me, i know that your in love about me, but its getting a bit annoying.

So here we see that Al'aqsa Martyrs Brigades have shown that they are interested in the peace process, something that many of you deny.

You are definitely reinforcing an argument that endorses the notion of stupidity genes.

Ok, let me spell it out to you, I’ll try and do it in a fashion even YOU can understand.


It’s not about Al-Aqsa. The P.A. is the central negotiating entity for the Palestinian people. So what if Al Aqsa agree to peace, what about the 40 other factions running loose in Palestine?

You’re so blind with hatred that you don’t even see that they are hurting your case more than helping. After all the “uprisings” and wars, Palestinians have gained NOTHING. After ever suicide bombing, they lose more of their own lives, and after every terrorist attacks, they end up homeless instead of gaining any new real estate.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that when you get bad results you should change your actions instead of doing the same thing and hoping for different results. It’s idiocy plane and simply.

The fact that you subscribe to it leaves me with little doubt that you’re not cut from the same cloth.

Hey sport, again, some organizations are linked, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades is an offshoot of Fatah faction.

Well, you can say that after all the uprisings and wars havent helped the Palestinians, but we are not sure if both never happened how the situation would be right now?

What if the resistance didnt give Israel a chance to take Gaza and the West Bank? Who knows?

Let's talk about some what-if's. If the Arabs in Palestine had not attacked Jewish refugees from the very early stages of them showing up in the late 19th century, and had welcomed them as brothers, there would have been no wars, no intifadas, no nothing. More than likely, there'd be a single bi-national state in all of Palestine right now, probably with an Arab majority, but with Arabs and Jews living together peacefully.

The only reason the British (in 1937) and later the UN (in 1947) called for partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arabs states was that the two groups had demonstrated that they couldn't live together. And far and away, it was Arab on Jew violence that made it a necessity.

- woolfe

What if Zionists didnt agree to make the Jewish State in Palestine? Palestine where it already had people who didnt want them.

There wouldnt be no Israeli and Palestinian conflict.

TWBR:

I can see it is hopeless to discuss these issues with you. You don't see the validity of points made on the other side, and likely never will. Your arguments are not balanced or well thought out.

It was a nice try, but I'm done.

- woolfe

Woolfe you hit the nail on the head and the attitude displayed by TWBR here is exactly the sentiment of Arabs and Muslims all over the world and it is indeed rooted in intolerance, intolerance of ethnicity and religion.

The fact that Palestinians speak of Israel “stealing their land” is untrue and I believe it exposes the truth behind their rage.

These are the things they have no answer for whatsoever.

1. Israel bought all land owned before 1948 legally
2. Jordan got ¾ of the land and Arabs raise no concerns with it
3. The first recorded massacres between the two people were
committed by Arabs against Israelis
4. Arabs rejected Israel’s existence and sought war to kill them all.

There is more, however it was Arabs that never accepted Israel’s right to exist not the other way around. And since they lost those wars they lost some spoils and to this day they cry foul because of it.

Now today as a direct result of their own actions, Palestinians live in ghettos and deal with military occupation. They complain of Israel in the West Bank and Gaza only after they realize they cannot defeat them in war. Their original rejections were of their existence there all together.

As a result we have TWBR who consistently posts his lopsided chapeau from ihateisrael.hamas.org websites and litters this forum with this misinformation propagated by these sites. He really doesn’t know why he believes what he does but believes it none the less with his whole heart.

The PC/Internet is like a knife. In the right hands it can be properly used with percision. However as we see demonstrated here by TW, in the wrong hands it can not only hurt those around you, but hurt yourself as well, dangerously so.

He’s not even bright enough to know that his own people are barred from the internet. Why? Same reason they control the media there. So they can be control the minds of their people so they cannot decipher the truth. However, this lad here (TW) has no excuse since he is previed to access all information out there but chooses to only access that which helps propagate his outrageous belief structure.

You are not a zionist? You don't support a Jewish state?

Because your posts seem to suggest otherwise...

My post are meant to interject some subjectivity here. Something that you and TWBR seem to be incredibly lacking. I already know where Israel is wrong but why post it since you and TWBR seem to be doing a good job at posting obscured and skewed truths.

I support justice and since I don't have anyone here saying in effect all Palestinians are the devil, then I guess I will have to contradict you and TWBR's accusations and conjecture.

By the way..TWBR I agree about what you say of the Zionists who "collaborated" with the Nazis..I thought it was Arab propoganda 'till I found a Jewish site that had a section entitled "questions to the Zionists" and it was all about the Holocaust..how the Zionists rejected Jews being imported into Europe, they wanted Palestine..also how Zionists collaborated with Mussolini..the list goes on..they even stab their brothers in the back, e.g. killing 17 Jews in the King David Hotell..the list goes on..

What does that have to do with now? You think Palestinians are killing each other over who they perceive as "Israeli collaborators"? I remember one of them dragging this woman from her home and shot her in the middle of the street because it was "rumored" she collaborated with Israelis. They had no proof whatsoever and the guy admitted it while at the same time justifying that it was probably true.

Facts are these. Israel did not begin the violence and dispite all you two want to post here you cannot claim with any basis of fact that this isn't true.

What? Thats it? Waste of my time.

I bet it is little Osama, since you have a hard time digesting truth in favor of your racial hatred propagaded from your favorite anti-Western websites.

You just cant stop humiliating your self? Cant you?