Snape

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I just figured out something about Snape. I always wondered how he was able to fool Voldemort and be a spy Dumbledore cuz Voldemort can simply understand wen sumones lying to him or something....but ofcourse it mite be cuz he(snape) was doing it because he is good at occulumency and cant let voldemort read his mind.
And I also felt that probably snape is still a spy to the OOTP and is still trusted by voldemort. I felt that because you nw how wen harry and the others go to ministry to 'save serius' after that dream...snape is the first one to knw bout it..but still he doesn't go and lets Serius, Lupin and the others go. This might be cuz he still works for voldemort and dusnt want him to knw he's with dumbledore and them.
What do u think?

I think Snape is a good guy and not working for Voldemort. However, I think his grudge against James, Sirius, and Lupin gets in his way.

First, welcome to the forum RedNoodles.

Now on to Snape. If Snape had gone to the Ministry he would have blown his cover with the deatheaters and Voldemort. They would have known that he was working for the Order and would have marked him for death. Snape also knew that Voldemort would want to lure Harry into a trap. He alerted the Order, and went out to look for Harry in the forrest. Snape may be a slime, but he is on the right side.

yeah thts exactly wat i ws trying to say i dint mean snape ws bad hehe

Sorry, so many people think Snape is bad, I must have misunderstood.

Another thing i noticed about snape is that he is employed at Hogwarts when Harry is 1 year old...so maybe voldemort sent him as a spy there and is still one for voldemort because i dont think he said anything about snape during the meeting with the death eaters

Snape began his teaching career at Hogwarts in late 1980 or early 1981 according to leading sources. Since this was before the Potter's were murdered, I think Snape was the one who alerted them to the danger.

What I don't understand is why doesn't Voldemort remember Snape confronting Quirrell in Harry's first year... He said "remember where your loyalties lie" or something ... now Snape couldn't have been aware of Voldemort being stuck to Quirrell's head, so that just leaves me to believe that he had the feeling Quirrell was up to no good, and warned him to side with Dumbledore and Hogwarts... now, this just puts me in a spin, because Voldemort was there and heard what Snape said... wtf?

Other than that, the whole "undercover" theory works...

Maybe the turban muffled the sound

I don't believe voldmort was with quirrell at the time when he and snape were together.
Lets remember the walk in the forest shall we? Harry is with malfoy and they are attacked by a lethifold drinking unicorns blood.. that lethifold is being possessed by voldmort, just as he possessed small animals before being able to put himself onto the back of quirrels head. And we know that voldmort was in the forest quite a bit because it seemed as if the whole unicorn thing had been going on for awhile.
Now do we honestly think that quirrell was walking around with voldmort in the back of his head all around the school and everything, for a whole year? I think dumbledore would have sensed something, I don't think they could have ever pulled it off.

My theory on this is that quirrell only had voldmort on his head when voldmort needed him, or when the animals he was using in the forest were becoming to weak to carry him any longer. Mostly likely he was possessing the lethifold or some similar animal most of the year. So voldmort may not have been with quirrel when snape was threatening him.

Wow. THat is a great theory! I love it.

Sounds right to me. I remember that he wasn't wearing the turban when Harry first saw him at the Leaky Cauldron. (In the book.) And Quirrell told Harry that he messed something or other up..my memory fails me as to what.. and his master decided to keep a closer watch on him. I'm assuming that's when he possessed him.

Oh, yes Daemon, I think you got it right good thinking

yay!thats great theoreys guys

I don't know about Snape....I think he will surprise us all in the end.

lol Potter, I hate you more than anything else in this world, but I'm going to sacrifice myself for you. Kick the Dark Lord's butt and have a nice life. ^_^

I read the first book awhile ago, but I seem to have forgotten how Snape saved Harry (awful huh?) I remember I didn't quite understand it though...

Quirrell was trying to knock him off his broom and Snape was saying the counterjinx.

That's right, I forgot about that (I don't know how I manage that) It threw me off because I thought he was evil....I really need to read the first book again.

I just saw PoA again. When Snape is threatening Sirius in the Shrieking Shack, he says that Sirius knows he's capable of killing (in different words). This implies that he's killed before.
I got to thinking about that, and it makes sense that, being a Death Eater, Snape would have killed someone. But was it a random Muggle-born, or someone important? I'm inclined to think it's someone important for Sirius to have known about it. That still leaves the question of who it was.
Was it someone that was in Gryffindor with Sirius? Maybe Sirius had a crush or girlfriend and that's who it was?
I'm inclined to think that Snape killed his father, and Sirius may have seen the name in the news and put two and two together, possibly confronting Snape about it.
What do you all think?

That is something I wondered about when I saw the movie. Is it an assumption because Snape was a death eater, or did he really kill someone. The Order would know about it.

Or maybe he was just saying that to reinforce the fact that he knows how to perform the killing curse and that he was willing to do it.

M.

Knowing how and wanting to are different than being able to do it. Harry wanted to cause Bellatrix pain, but he could barely do anything. You have to hate with all your heart. Snape said "You know I'm capable/able to/can" Somehing along those lines. "Know" is too strong a word- it's absolute. I don't think JK would have let them use it if he was merely threatening without having done it before.

Snape being a former deatheater, I would certainly presume that he knows how to perform it.

M.

I didn't say he didn't know how. I said it's easier said than done.
It's like when Harry was learning the Patronus Charm. He knew how, but it took him a while to actually do it.

Of course.

And being a death eater, he certainly would have been told to kill people, and he would have done it too.

M.

New question

Was Snape one of the death eaters that aparated to Voldemort's side at the end of book 4 when Cedric was killed?

I would say no. First of all, you can't apparate or disapparate on Hogwarts grounds. He would have to leave the place first, and Dumbledore would notice that. Second, wasn't he one of the people who were patrolling the maze?

Of course, he might have taken Dumbledore's permission to go see his old buddy.

M.

No. Voldemort was going over all the blank spaces and he referred to the people still in Azkaban, then said there was one too cowardly to come to him, and one who had left him forever. I'm of the mind that those two were Karkaroff and Snape. the question is which one was which? At first glance, it looks like Karkaroff's the coward and Snape's the deserter, but if Snape is still doing spywork, it must be opposite. Tricky JK..

I always thought Snape was the coward and Karakoff the deserter. Now, I wonder about why Snape went pale when he saw Harry's memory of Cedric's death. You just never know with JKR. Snape would be excused for not appearing if he was at Hogwarts. Voldie would not want to loose his spy would he? So, Snape could have been there, but I doubt it.

True. I hope we learn more about Snape in the next book.

Yea he definitely seems like a real mystery character, hard to understand some of the things he does

Not if your parakeet's a little avian version of him.

What?

My parakeet acts like him- little more cowardly, though. Even bullies my sister's bird. Tries to keep him from eating sometimes.

Oh I see....I just couldn't see how your parkeet fit into all this...But it's all good now