Bush Admin. helped fly Saudis out of America 9/13 CONFIRMED |
| Posted by: 64impala | | http://sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampa...fies_flig.shtml
Bush supporters, I would love to hear your opinions on the fact that your hero helped the "terrorists family" fly out of the country on September 13th with no questioning from authorities, and while every plane was grounded in North America.
If I'm correct the term is called TREASON? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Shadow Stalker | | hmmm...wow...this is old news.
I heard about only a few days after 9/11 | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: 64impala | | Yes I realize its old news, this article is just confirming the fact that our president aided the enemy and helped them fly out of America.
I would still like to hear the bush supporters opinions | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: MrJukoVette | | 
The fact that you believe a bs theory about Bush helping Osama's family fly out of the USA proves that you are not worth debating with. It's funny how this article keeps getting brought up time after time, even thou it was proven to be false - because the rest of Osama's family regret him and dont maintain any relations with him.
Not even a good try, 64impala. Have a nice day.
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| Posted by: Larke2000 | | and don't forget the one about Bush letting the attacks happen in the first place. that's an oldie but goody, too.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | MJV you said:
"It's funny how this article keeps getting brought up time after time, even thou it was proven to be false - because the rest of Osama's family regret him and dont maintain any relations with him."
Your logic is faulty here. The reason you give as to why this article is false is because of hearsay, and could never be used in a court of law. You say they say, how did you say, "regret him" and "don't maintain any relations with him."
Dude, follow the money. Most of the times a "terroristic" attack has occurred, bin Laden's family is given the construction contract to rebuild the buildings he has "supposedly" blown to shreds. Who profited from those shinanigans?
And like I mentioned in another thread, the good ol' CIA funded and trained OBL in the late seventies to go after the Soviets. Because back then, it wasn't legal or "proper" for the US to fight the Soviets in that situation.
Don't even know why I wasted my time responding to your nonsense. Anybody from Toronto, commenting on what you call "a theory", and then giving theoretical "evidence" to prove it wrong ought to keep his mind firmly on his own country, because who knows maybe someone someday may even find something of worth in Canada to topple..
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| Posted by: MrJukoVette | | Your logic is faulty here. The reason you give as to why this article is false is because of hearsay, and could never be used in a court of law. You say they say, how did you say, "regret him" and "don't maintain any relations with him."
The fact that Osama's family despises him is well known. Do some research.
Dude, follow the money. Most of the times a "terroristic" attack has occurred, bin Laden's family is given the construction contract to rebuild the buildings he has "supposedly" blown to shreds. Who profited from those shinanigans?
Gimme at least one example when Osama Bin Laden was awarded with a reconstruction contract.
And like I mentioned in another thread, the good ol' CIA funded and trained OBL in the late seventies to go after the Soviets. Because back then, it wasn't legal or "proper" for the US to fight the Soviets in that situation.
Yes. What's your point? Maybe CIA shouldnt do anything to stop soviets and let them capture the whole world?
Don't even know why I wasted my time responding to your nonsense. Anybody from Toronto,
Stupid canucks, eh?
commenting on what you call "a theory", and then giving theoretical "evidence" to prove it wrong ought to keep his mind firmly on his own country, because who knows maybe someone someday may even find something of worth in Canada to topple..
Oh there is a lot already, starting with the whole federal government consisting primarily of unneeded bureacrats and corrupted departments, then provincial government with it's own problems like bribery, municipality, police, etc. Canada has more problems than you could imagine yourself.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | "The fact that Osama's family despises him is well known. Do some research."
I have and I still don't believe hearsay. It's alot like having an affair with a co-worker and pretending you hate them so that no one finds out.
"Gimme at least one example when Osama Bin Laden was awarded with a reconstruction contract. "
Okay, the pharmaceutical company in Sudan. By the way, I said his family got the reconstruction contract, NOT Osama. Can you please follow the discussion?
"Yes. What's your point? Maybe CIA shouldnt do anything to stop soviets and let them capture the whole world?"
You know you are right here...we sure wouldn't want anyone else but the US to have Aghanistan...how else could we get that pipeline from Uzbechistan to the coast?
"Oh there is a lot already, starting with the whole federal government consisting primarily of unneeded bureacrats and corrupted departments, then provincial government with it's own problems like bribery, municipality, police, etc. Canada has more problems than you could imagine yourself."
I said something of worth...sounds like you ain't got a whole lot going for you either.
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| Posted by: MrJukoVette | | I have and I still don't believe hearsay. It's alot like having an affair with a co-worker and pretending you hate them so that no one finds out.
Osama broke with his family long time ago. Besides, Osama was declared to be a terrorist, not his family. If somebody commits a crime, does it automatically make his whole family guilty? No.
Okay, the pharmaceutical company in Sudan. By the way, I said his family got the reconstruction contract, NOT Osama. Can you please follow the discussion?
Yes i can. Can you provide some details on that reconstruction award, since i dont quite understand what you are talking about here.
You know you are right here...we sure wouldn't want anyone else but the US to have Aghanistan...how else could we get that pipeline from Uzbechistan to the coast?
Yes the US has, or owns, Afghanistan.
Btw, US pays these countries for pipelines it builds on their territories.
I said something of worth...sounds like you ain't got a whole lot going for you either.
Isn't that enough?
Anything else?
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| Posted by: 64impala | | MrJukoVette
I think your missing the point of this information. Why would the Bush Administration go out of their way to help assist the enemies family out of the United States, without proper questioning from authorities and very secretly while every freaking plane in the United States was grounded. Then please explain why they would they deny the events taking place, when now we can confirm its a fact.
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| Posted by: 64impala | |
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MrJukoVette said this in post #4 :
The fact that you believe a bs theory about Bush helping Osama's family fly out of the USA proves that you are not worth debating with. It's funny how this article keeps getting brought up time after time, even thou it was proven to be false - because the rest of Osama's family regret him and dont maintain any relations with him.
Not even a good try, 64impala. Have a nice day. |
The flight took place IT’S A FACT
are you slow or something?
Okay lets just say for the principle of speaking that the Bin Laden family really does regret Osama. Regardless, that still doesn't explain why the Bush Administration would make it one of their top priorities to get the remaining Bin Ladens out of America while every planed was grounded in North America. Ohh and that doesn't explain why they were not at least questioned by authorities. I've read countless articles on this subject, and it is standard procedure to question family members especially in a crime of this magnitude.
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| Posted by: MrJukoVette | | I think your missing the point of this information. Why would the Bush Administration go out of their way to help assist the enemies family out of the United States, without proper questioning from authorities and very secretly while every freaking plane in the United States was grounded. Then please explain why they would they deny the events taking place, when now we can confirm its a fact.
First of all, i havent heard them denying it and didnt see a proof of it being true yet. Second, Osama's family, being a rich Saudi family and USA's business and/or political partners, deserve to be safely departured to their homeland.
The flight took place IT’S A FACT
are you slow or something?
I assumed from the beginning that the flight took place, are you slow or something? Though i am not sure at all if it really did....
Okay lets just say for the principle of speaking that the Bin Laden family really does regret Osama. Regardless, that still doesn't explain why the Bush Administration would make it one of their top priorities to get the remaining Bin Ladens out of America while every planed was grounded in North America.
Honestly, i do not know. The only thing coming to my mind is concerns about their safety inside the US now that their family member is America's enemy number one.
Ohh and that doesn't explain why they were not at least questioned by authorities. I've read countless articles on this subject, and it is standard procedure to question family members especially in a crime of this magnitude.
How can you possible know if they were questioned by authorities or no?
I wonder what's your point here. Do you believe that Bush sent the saudi family home knowing that they have something to do with 9/11 attack? Do you really think it's possible that american president will harm america? Yes/no plz | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: 64impala | |
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MrJukoVette said this in post #12 :
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Do you really think it's possible that american president will harm america? Yes/no plz |
Hell yes I think an American President would harm America. There is documented proof from the 1960s that the government was thinking to stage fake terrorist attacks in American cities, hijacking airplanes and bombing a ship in guantanmo bay in order for the public to support a war with Cuba. Now doesn't that sound very fimilar with what happened in 2001.
Heres the article my friend
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/D...efs_010501.html
Friendly Fire
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba
By David Ruppe
N E W Y O R K, May 1 — In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.
America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."
Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency.
The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.
"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.
"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."
Gunning for War
The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.
The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.
Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."
The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S. shores.
The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not allowed to provide firepower.The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.
"The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro.
Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military — not democratic — control over the island nation after the invasion.
"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."
'Over the Edge'
The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military.
Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.
The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.
There were reports U.S. military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election.
And at least two popular books were published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger" in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee even called for an examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.
"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge."
Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963.
One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base — an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.
"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.
After 40 Years
Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy.
As public interest in the assassination swelled after JFK's release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the assassination.
The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents.
Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained.
"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford.
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| Posted by: Crazie | |
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sowhatsthetruth said this in post #8 :
I said something of worth.... |
Umm you did??? 
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