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So, as it was expected, Mr. Bush has given freedom to Irak. They were acclaimed like heros, they did the right thing, even if nobody else says that. But iraquians are happy.

He is right. He doesnt need ONU. Who needs something that claims for peace and sovereignty for all countries? Who needs to talk when one can shoot?

What's the matter? Why not kill and destroy, and let him go? Twice: Bin Laden and Saddam. Yes, he did a great job. All children that lost parents, parents that lost children, they surely understand this superb, prideful way of Mr. Bush's thinking.

But me.

Unless you've been out in force for the past 20 years protesting the injustices that Saddam was comitting before this conflict began, STFU. It never fails to amaze me that we have people like you who only see something as wrong if they can see it, and otherwise it just doesn't matter. Where was your bleeding heart for the Iraqi people starving to death in the poorest suburbs of Iraq? These people died in silence, in the shadows of the oppression that the regime controlled by Saddam instilled. There aren't a pile of photos to show thier suffering that you can cry over, but that does not make thier plight any less real.

Sorry, I misgudged you. You're even worse than I thought. You are only posting this to voice your dislike and distrust of the US, not becaue of sympathy over the Iraqi people. In fact, those terms are dancing around it, I'll just say it for what it is. Your hatred of the US. Your hatred of the US and every action it makes blinds your from the real issues of this conflict, and the true state of affairs. If you want to launch into a US bashing crusade, feel free. Don't hide behind the situation in Iraq to do it though.

haha. You got told!

Well I think it presumptious on your part that you claim to know what motivates the leaders of these countries to take the stands they have taken. Much of the evidence supporting these claims is tenuous at best. I think it is pretty weak to say that France wants to keep Iraq in power so it can sell it weapons for example, and I find the fact that some people will take claims such as this as fact on mere face value pretty sad.

I'm sure if you dig deep enough, and are so sure you know what is going on that you will believe whatever shread of evidence you can find to support, however weak that evidence is, you can "prove" anything you want to. There are a great many people out there who actually believe that the US did not land on the moon. Sure, it's theoretically possible that it was faked, but you get so far out of the realms of reason that it is not even worth going any further.

As for the soccer game analogy, I think that is rather crude. If you are implying I see this as some sort of game, that is certanly not the case. If you also think I will stick with the US through thick and thin, you are again mistaken. I will support the US as long as I believe they are acting in the best interests of all involved. When I believe they are not doing so, they loose my support. I do not side with the US whatever they do as you seem to think I do. I am a vocal opponent of them when I percieve that they are not doing all they should. I for example think the US, and quite a few other nations at that, should have stood up and sent a quite clear message to Robet Mugabe that his actions will not be tolerated. They failed to do so, and we will undoubtedly have another major problem to deal with that will drag on for the next 30 years.

The US is far from blameless, but I think that those who dismiss every action the US takes, simply because of a preconcieved idea they have formed that everything the US does is bad are worse than ignorant, they are closed minded. Ignorance can be overcome with education, provided the desire to learn is there. A closed mind however refuses to accept outside influences of change, and therefore ceises to be able to grow and mature, and respond to changes in world events. Ironically, a great number of these people also consider themselves in some way "enlightened", and able to see things that ordinary people do not. It is important to recognise the difference.

YOU GO ENIGMA YOU GO :BANANA:

excellent reply enigma.

that same concept also amazes me, but it also angers me.

the best part is, before the conflict, nobody gave a crap about iraq, nor the rest of the middle east. now, all of a sudden, everyone is an expert.

and once again my conclusion about most anti-war people is supported. that picture of the maimed iraqi boy. how many times has been that shown??? as if 1- most of us haven't seen it and 2- we are oblivious to the fact that this could happen in a war???

the only real thing picture does is convince me that the person who posts it is completely ignorant to what has been going on since '79.

it's the same bs over and over again. from the slogan-spitting hippies to the i'am-an-expert-since-i-started-watching-on-tv morons, it just continues. not to mention those idiots who continue to press the issue of wmd as a way to illegitimize any success in iraq.

it's just sad that people have the nerve to talk about the attrocities of war, the deaths of civilians, now that they have pictures to look at. but before the war, oh everything must have been joyous and peaceful right?? no pictures of those slaughtered by the baath party [who, by the way, were from many middle eastern countries], so then there couldn't have been anything bad happening??

like i said. no anti-war people gave a flying crap about the middle east, but now that there are pictures of wounded kids, oh my god, how could this be happening, how can the americans kill innocent civilians? why are they disrupting the lives of the iraqis who had no problems with saddam's rule and enjoyed liberty and all those freedoms??

hmmm...i wonder.

kamehasa

i want you to read this very carefully.

first of all, i would like your sources on everything you mentioned concerning u.s export taxes and restrictions.

sounds to me like you went to 'one of those' websites, because i have seen, quite literally, almost the exact same things posted on anti-war sites as well as on the sites of international organizations and groups who basically think america is hitler.

second of all, i'am interested to know which country you actually live in.

i grew up in siberia, so automatically i know i have you beat. if you think poverty is bad in your country, why don't you come live in northern siberia, where people are not only dirt poor, lack any kind of health care, but also essentially endure winter 9 months of the year, and delightful temperatures of negative 63 during actual winter months [picture you as a 7 year old looking at homeless people laying dead behind buildings, half covered in snow]. a place where you can't just move to a neighbouring country if you don't like your situation. after having gone through this experience my empathy for the iraqi people has been immense. in iraq and siberia, for example, there is no 'if i work hard enough, i can achieve anything.' your accomplishments are only as effective as the resources you use to attain them. the iraqi people had nothing except a guy who made most of the country eat rations while he relieved himself on a gold plated toilet.

and your country's poverty is america's fault? oh, well, of course it is. it has nothing to do with anything in your country, it's all america. your whole post can be summarized by 'since america is the wealthiest, any economic famine suffered internationally is america's fault.'

if you are so unhappy with the way things are going, i say contact your local government and demand answers to the questions which you inadvertently posed: why is your country allowing america to control it's trade? better yet, ask about the real, general reasons for your economic problems. i would be interested to hear the response.

if you live in a middle eastern country, you'll probably laugh at my suggestion above. perhaps this will make you appreciate the situation in iraq, especially when that country puts together it's own representative gov. and begins to utilize the abilities and intelligence of the iraqi people to ensure prosperity.

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