ATTENTION: Just a thankyou will do

Post-9/11 Era Forum

i told you all through this whole war if you were reading my threads and now i will say it again: they have found warheads capable of chemicles, found chemicles, the iraqis arnt killing our men in droves like what was said because WHY; because they wanted there freedom also just was neverr allowed to express themselfs and was tortured,beaten and killed when they did express themselfs. Now can anyone tell me if they the iraqis are happy or sad now that saddam is just about gone. All the other countries that didnt back us/allies like france oops did i say that and others , kiss my red, white and blue both the countries out there and all the people that caused greif, problims and discontent, all of you know what to do , i got one thing for you all : you was wrong and a simple thankyou to all the allies and us/uk soilders overthere in iraq and all over the world. Just a simple thankyou next time you see one, a simple thankyou will be enough and thankyou for all of us vets that died and or fought for your freedoms also. Just a thank you will do LONG LIVE FREEDOM AND THE USA

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not much to say huh anti-war/anti-american peole out there. No guts or just nothing to say. Didnt think you would all have any-guts to admit you all may have been wrong. Takes a bigger man to admit he is wrong but what do you except from anti-war sighn toters that do nothing but hide behind mommas skirt but all of you people from the far east was hopeing you are opening your eyes alittle and maybe you have alittle better outlook now on what the usa was doing and it isnt over yet, wait to you hear all of the good stuff. saddam pulled on her people. Than a simple thankyou will do. (-:

Don't worry, you'll here from them soon. It'll go something like this,

Well back in 1856 the US killed off Indians in the west so they are hypocrites and aren't justified to liberate the Iraqi people in 2003.

to,libeate iraq is good. But this war was not done becaus eof that. I am happy to see iraqis happyness. I would like them good luck, independence and freedom.

Let's see if this si possible.

This do not mean that i was and ai am against this illegal war. Iraquis are free...at what price???

Bu ti do not believe this were the reasons for this war, clearly not. Freedom for iraqis was the last oportunity for g w bush to convince americans to be for this war, because he knows that americans are humans who like things like freedom, human rights etc... so he could not make public the real reasons for this war. However Freedom was the last of three failed other reasons to attak and invade iraq (mdw and terrorism) which were impossible to be proven. So i am happy because of iraquis but i fear now america a little more because it is lika a drunken driver who is not taken in acount tha advises of his friends. It is your decission, but the rest of the world is in the same car as you, we can't impede you to make barbarities, we only can give you advice.

Sincerely i would not believe in a troop composed by rumsfeld, cheney, perle, wolfowitz, Kristal, and a long etc....

It still sucks how my children will be stuck with this deficit for years to come! What a waste!

what if we said what a waste dureing the civil war, what a short memory or no education, what about the liberation that started our freedom, the the country called america, you seem to think all bad and of yourself only Nothingsacred. But that is the way all of your threads have been. You ever happy or thankful at all? Your freedom was won the same way iraqs was, through war, you think your better than anyone else or just blind.

I respect your opinion, but please lay off that propaganda crap like "fight for your freedom". Don't kid yourself and repeat what you hear on the TV.

no propaganda or tv bullcrap here just truth and fact only. easy to check on just check your history

So let's liberate THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' WORLD...why stop here? When will we invade Cuba? That should be easy. How about Zimbabwe and Rwanda? I here Belarus and Turkmenistan have despots at the helm, what are we waiting for? If it's worldwide liberty we seek, we've got to go into full scale wars with China and North Korea as well? Quit being so naive, it's about everything but liberty, that's just the cover they give it to fool people like you.

Don't worry, I wouldn't accuse the US government of being willing to stick its neck on the line for other people, and expect nothing in return. As long as thier own interests lead to something good happening on the side though, as hey have in this case, I'm not going to complain.

Nothingsacred, we are not mindless automotons. We see the same things you do. I understand that Bush and Chaney are lining their pockets with this war, and it completely pisses me off, as well as many of the people on this board. However, if you back up a bit, and look at a much larger picture here even that BS deed bone by the president & Vp are SMALL BEANS. Over 25,000,000 people are free from oppression at the end of the day. The people of Iraq, hopefully, will be able to rebuild a faltering nation and I am confident that their neighbors will feel very much more secure with the removal of Sadam.

WHAT???!!!! You say, secure, they are quaking in the wake of american imperialism. Sorry, we are not about to jump another country in the reason without a very very very good reason, and even if we did I seriously believe it would take another 12 years of sanctions + to do it.

Tell the truth, darn right, I'd respect Bush MUCH MORE if he said it was for oil, Israel and to avenge the hit attempt on his daddy...and to follow his chosen ideology...Neocon/Zionism...I'd still be against the war, but I'd think much more of Bush and his people with a little truth.

So if he admits he's a tyrant, you'll respect him as an honest tyrant, but if he doesn't admit to being one, you still believe him to be one anyway, except you think of him as a liar to boot? That about right?

lmao your all blind and neive, you look at your own freedom and take it for granted and you want to know what wars have done look at history, not all is pretty but its fact and your free to give your opions no matter how far fetched it is because you are free from the blood of soilders and civilians and remember people have and will always die for there freedoms in time to come and allready have for thousands of years, for oil and isareal give me a break is that all you all can keep bringing up, old arguement and it seems that all of your arguments are the same oil and isareal, why not look at the whole picture and ask the iraqis what they feel now that saddam is gone. you sighn-toters and anti-war babys make me sick, and make me sick to call you americans, but that it what freedom means, even mixed up morals and loyalitites you all have. EVERYONE THAT ENJOYS FREEDOM LIKE YOU ALL THINK THAT ONLY YOU DESERVE FREEDOM, But you are wrong, everyone in the world deserves the same thing you do, are you all really that selfish and blind, or just old grouches that have nothing better to do but ***** and moen, and enjoy your freedoms but think no one else does. Wellllllll got one thing to tell you all you wrong and get a grip

RU2002, yes other countries have WMD but have they used them on there own people or shown the the want and willingness to use them against anyone that does not agree with them. If any of these countries did this and showed a threat to world peace, then the UN would step in, and with or with out there support the USA would be there also. I believe the WMD in Iraq will be found ,if not already , and show alot of anti-war folks the World just dodge a bullet.

yes i agree they are finding more and more everyday and thats not counting what we havet heard off. There is not just us/uk for iraqs oil also russia, france,germany and other countrys and iraq should use this oil to help rebuild alot better place for the iraqis to live and i think if all the coalation countries helped than iraq could be a beatiful and prossful country and hopefully elect there own goverment. We need to do our job, get rid of bio/chem and atomic weapons than get out and let them build there country the way they want.

If the Iraqi people elect their own government and it becomes, or rather returns to being, a beautiful and prosperous country, democratic and free,.....why do we need to disarm them?

if you have to ask that Grimminick you dont have a clue and im not gonna waste my time with you

This is a reasonable question. US claims that by invading this country its people will be free and it will enjoy democracy blah blah blah...so what threat does it pose to the great liberating West? Unless of course you think the freeedom is as shakey as i Do which will of course be to concede that this war achieved no long term result.

Quite right frenchfries. I've no intention of thanking US or UK for making the world a ****ed sight more dangerous place to live and bring my children up in.

everyday there finding more contraband weapons, today a chem/bio armed warhead, found at another sight radiation levels low but still there after he said he had nothing at all your glasses are dirty clean them you cant see the whole picture yet lmao

I find it interesting how many people are pushing Canada as some kind of non-warring pacifict country. Those who do obviously don't kow thier history. Canada has a long and proud military history, and has played a very significant role in some of the more influential conflicts of the modern world.

Enigma - You need to substantiate your statement. Give us some examples. Whatever they are, they're not significant. Otherwise they wouldn't be used as an example of a relatively non-conflictive country. It doesn't mean they've never been involved in military action.

Dieppe, D-Day (I believe their beach was Juno...but I could be wrong on that...), Gulf War...War of 1812...they actually fought off the US (except that they were technically British)...the Cannucks have a military history and to think otherwise simply shows ignorance.

PS..I'm not a Cannuck I just go there for drinking and gambling

Canada played a very significant role in both the first and the second world wars. In both conflicts they comitted over 100,000 troops I believe. They were one of the most significant forces in the first world war, and in the second world war they played a major role in the allied counterattack at Normandy, making the furthest progress inland on D-day of any of the forces involved. Over 45,000 Canadian troops died in WWII, and over 60,000 troops died in WWI. Canada also played a role in the Korean war, committing over 25,000 troops to the confilct.

There's a lot more to it than the raw statistics, and I'm far from the most educated on the subject. If you want to learn the details behind it, look them up.

So the question is, why do some of us think of Canadians as a non-conflictive country? Maybe because they haven't been involved in significant military conflict in over 40 years. Whether Canada is a good example or not...let the point be taken that there are many examples of countries that have managed very well to stay out war. A country is just like a person, or a certain neighbor. Some are trouble makers...and it's because it's how they've been taught. It's the mental conditioning, which then becames their "nature". Get two trouble makers together and you're gonna have a fight. Get one tough guy trying to pick on someone who doesn't antagonize the situation, who is humble and cooperative, and the negative energy subsides. Of course there are cases where the tough guy - the thief, rapist, or mugger will specifically prey on the those who don't seem inclined to fight back (rare!*), so knowing how to defend one's self is wise.

* The American news media is very distorting. It continually pipes in horrible news of how someone's getting killed, raped, etc. We get the impression that it happens alot! They'll frequently report that some woman had been raped and killed, but they don't report that 130 million women made it home safely that same day. I would never know that all these terrible things exist if I didn't watch the news. That's why I don't.

they are still finding more and more evidence of chem/bio/wmd Buryed chem/bio vans, barrels and barrels of chemicles, warheads prepped and ready to be loaded with chem. Radiation suits,chem/bio anti-dotes and suits but yet why all of this and the burying if you dont have all of thses chem/bio and radiation suits and tools if you dont have these capabilities. Just like hitler and stallan and so forth in time it will all come out and when it does remeber when you see a soilder say thankyou, when you pray at night say thankyou for they are putting there lives on the line and dieing for your freedoms and so you dont have to worry about these chem/bio/wmd used on you, remember just a thankyou will do. The iraqis are saying thankyou right now and it is time the rest of you say the same in the world not just the usa. These weapons could have been used on any of your countries ask the kurds and the thousands of iranians that died. Just a thankyou will do

mt, give it up, this is all BS. There is still not a single confirmed find of WMDs.

Not BS - just overzealous reporting.

MTlivingtree - please don't believe anything the media "reports" as hot news. Wait for a few days until it gets confirmed.

to begin with i said nothing about wmd i said suits and second these warheads and barrels were confirmed and 3rd its not me you say thankyou to yes i am a vet but i was talking about the soilders over in iraq and other countries right now risking there lives for your rights and freedoms, no matter how blind you are thats fact and you or no one else can change it......Why all the suits if no chem/bio and wmd........Why the antidote...........why burying and covering up if nothing was going on...........makes ya wonder huh..........okay lets here the excuses to these statements by the way fact based and true statement........lol.........just a thankyou will do for our soilders and allies

seems to me the iraqis are yelling in the streets right now for there new found freedom.

(Slander edited out; not cool - pardon me)

Not one of those soldiers died for my freedom. My freedom would never ever be comprised because of Iraq's military. Even if they did have WMD, there is an extraordinarily low chance that he would ever attempt to use them on us. And even if the Iraqis did attempt to, their likelihood of success would be very low. Why? Because if we hadn't destroyed them, and just have kept a close eye on them because of the concern, we could surely thawrt their attempt.

The Iraqi government isn't stupid like that. They would never try to mount a military attack on the U.S. They know it'd be suicide. Saddam may have talked a lot of BS of how they'd defeat the U.S., in all our intelligence, we can easily see..he was all talk. Come on, you've had friends or enemies that are always blowing a lot of smoke. Soon you realize they're all talk you just ignore them.

Even if WMD were found they'd never use them on us. They like to pick on someone their own size - like Iran. Which is what this is all about...size. We are so motivated by the fact that we know we're bad *** - militarily. It's not an issue of whether we're right or wrong, it's a power trip thing. The U.S. Government (Bush?) is on a big power trip.

Of course one isn't so immoral if he disables or even kills someone that would otherwise kill many others - during an immediate threat . In that case, you're mearly saving lives. But the ego gets involved and can very easily contaminate whole-hearted, sincere intentions. There was a better way to address the problem of Saddam, without killing people - Americans or Iraqis, "innocent" or not. Those in power just don't believe or care about alternate solutions. Bullys don't sit down for long periods of time and wonder how they can peacefully deal with the people he normally picks on. It's not in his nature. Welp, the "nature" of the U.S. is looking to be a very fearful, paranoid, big guy with lots of power.

And besides, WMD don't mean jack. Yes Saddam looks unstable, but hey, we're unstable too. If anyone should be concerned about a country with WMD, it should be every other country in the world in regards to the U.S. We got plenty of them, and we're the only country to have used them - Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

the bottom line is your so selfish and indulged in your own freedom you take it for granted while people who havent had it rejoice just so they can because they dont have to worry about being shot for voiceing there opion or beleif. So there in britian people may take there freedom for granted but freedom is and has never been free but the problim with people like you is you were raised with freedom so you dont know what it is like to not have it. When i was stationed in iraq in the late 70,s people were still getting shot for drunkeness on the streets. Saddam was killed a kid for waiveing at soilders. Kids thrown in prison,women raped and beat and so on. So when you take your freedom for granted like you do remember all the people who havent and deserve the same rights to freedom as you do without the fear of being prosecuted or murdered for your opions or beleifs but your basic rights as a human being. Every country has its good and bad points but remember that your freedoms werent free and your freedoms were won just like iraqs was. I proud to say we had a part in iraqiis freedom and the end of saddams reighn. Hopefully this country will get back on its feet and will prosper because that is the way the iraqiis have done for centrys as being one of the oldest countries and regions of the world. WE need to finish cleanup of chem/bio wmd out of iraq help rebuild then get out and let them rebuild there country there own way. god bless us/uk and all her allies and just a thankyou will do for our men and women.

You're forgetting one thing. Freedom is a natural state of the universe. Only Man imposes improper restrictions in the first place - that somehow we're supposed to be grateful for when we are restored to a state which we should have had all along. True peace (freedom) is one when everyone STOPS fighting. It's scary that this so very obvious part of reality is absolutely invisable to some people.

I'm not debating that Saddam is a madman. His people and their condition are a result of improper use of power and agression. There is a non-voilent solution - most are blind to that too. No one acts according to things they don't believe in. You'd be shocked how much the simple power of belief , in and of itself has. Whatever we believe in has tremendous power. Those who believe in war almost certainly do not believe in peaceful solutions - because we act according to what we believe. Another critical point the warring mentality type person has, is that they think we're all disillusioned into thinking that we just don't know how to live. They think we haven't been there. If you were to interview peaceful people, I'm certain you would find that they used to think like conflicted, hostile, agressive people. It's the fact that they have been there. They've acted with hatred, fear, and self-centeredness - those factors which fuel violence - for probably years of their lives. But something great happens and they are enlightened. They see the truths of life, that everything we emenate will come back upon us. Like attracts like. That's why wars are fought by two groups that both believe in fighting. They're attracted to each other.

If you look at history, the news may be good*. It looks to be that slowly....s l o w l y...humans are fighting less and less. This looks to be for two reasons (at least) A.) Those with fighting mentalities are killing each other off. And consistent with the law of survival of the fittest, the fittest are those who know how to survive - don't fight and know how to solve problems non-violently. More importantly, they are those who actually know how to solve problems - not create new ones based on the improper action they take by thinking their problems are somthing they're not. And B.) We are actually becoming (again, slowly ) wiser - and realize that war begets war and love begets love.

One of the greatest faults of Man is his inability to recognize the true nature of his problems. He directs his energy outward with negativity, thinking his problems lie outside himself. But when he realizes that his problems are internal, he'll come to know that the solution is internal as well - and that the solution to any problem (anything negative), is something positive.

* If the warring people don't kill all of us off first.

Here's your "thank you": Thank you for showing us the problem - mentalities like yours. You show us more and better how not to be. I think most of us have some of it in us - but it's so much easier to see ourselves in the faults of others.

Keep it up if you like. You'll eliminate yourselves by your own actions - we won't need to take any action whatsoever. Once again proving that most problems solve themselves without Man's intervention.

sounds all nice and proper but bottom line was your freedom you enjoy now free. Hell no it isnt free and for the so few that died in the liberation of iraq compared to what saddam did to not only its own people but other people also. He has killed more than the usa will ever kill there in the whole war. Freedom is not a as you say is a natural state of the universe, where you from mars, your freedom you enjoy now was fought for just like iraqs just was and in the end it will be better for not only iraq but the world. I love all your thoughts, lets not do nothing unless they bomb us first, well they did, its called 9/11 and any countrie that backs and trains terroism is also to blame therefore they must be punished and as far as peaceful after 12 yrs i would say that is long enough. God bless america and her allies and god bless bush and our servicemen over in iraq right now.

mt, get it into your thick head - iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Wrong country, wrong people. You killed thousands of people people who have never hurt an American on American soil. BOTTOM LINE.
US was largely responsible for killing a million iraqis by sanctions alone through poverty and disease. Much more than Saddam managed during the same twelve year period. Its not just about the war deaths. BOTTOM LINE.
Fighting for the freedom we had is world's apart from invading a country and enforcing a western democracy on a non-western nation. We fought for and defended our own freedom drawn up by ourselves. It still works to some degree, but coerced freedom on a country that never asked for our assistance anyway is doomed to fail particularly when the occupier inflicts its own leadership no matter how "temporary" it's meant to be. Iraqis right now turned against the US forces because they copntinue to make a pig's ear of returning power and water services. You haven't been there 5 minutes and already they are demonstrating against you. The scenes of jubilation were short lived to say the least

Well i would like to begin by saying thank you to all vets. who did fight for our freedom. And so far Mtliveingtree you are the only person i agree with. I think that we should be at war because the soliders are helping the people in iraq. I am very thankful for the troops who are fighting and i would like to say to you soliders i am praying for you all and i pray that God will bless and protect you. THANK YOU TROOPS!!!!!!!
YOU GUYS SHALL BE IN MY PRAYERS !!!!

+Grimminick to begin with iraq did and it has been proven that saddam supported terriosm, 9/11 caused by terriosm therefore anycountry backing thses groups are also assoiciated with there crimes against humanity. And the sanctions, lets see what was it 1 billion in gold and 640 million in us cash, several palaces,and alot of other things not even mentioned, and you blame the sanctions, you need to wake up not me..........lol..........you cant be that blind........saddam created the problim with starvation, poor sanitation while he sat on gold and marble toilets and had air condition, good water his people drank from the bottom of the barrel. Hlf the country doesnt have good water supplie or sanatation facilitys, building his armies and weapons, while his people died from lack of, of course those who werent systemacilly tortured,beaten or murdered and buried in mass graves. But you all have the gull to point the finger, better look at who your all pointing your fingers at, and for what you are pointing your fingers and remember and ask yourselfs, are they really better now or in the past, and as you are pondering on this, ask the thousands of iraqis storming the gravesites, buildings used for torture and places where records are kept looking for there dead and missing and you tell me then they are better than then now, and remember as you ponder this also, a simple thankyou for there and your freedoms you enjoy now. Just a thankyou will do. God bless america and for what she stands for and god bless our troops/allies also and god bless our president for not closeing his eyes and heart and thankyou for not allowing this natrosities to continue. Its easy to turn your cheek but harder to stand up for what is right. AS far as what was also said about if it is safer or not just ask the iraqiis im sure they will tell you. REMEMBER JUST A THANKYOU WILL DO.

amen frogz at least there is one person out there that doesnt have there eyes closed and is sensible minded. 10 starz for you and your patriotism. God bless you and all the other good people at there standing behind what is right and pure and isnt afraid of doing and supporting the right thing God bless our soilders/allies for what they are doing and pray for there safe return and end to the iraqiis suffering and to there safe rebuilding of there country and goverment. now there suffering is gone and the iraqiis have one way to go and that is up. They have survived for thousands of years and will continue to grow because that is the way the irqii people are but at least now saddam isnt in there stirring up his tasteless brew and the people can truly be free now and sleep alot better at night now. Just a thankyou will do

thats all you could come up with frenchfried......laughing my red, white and blue butt off at you. Did your brain get left out in the sun to long and get frenchfried....... I cant believe you thats it thats all you can come up.............figures small mind small opion

mt, I'd like to know where you got your "proof" that Iraq was directly involved in 9/11.

who you kidding kdog most of his stuff is far fetched and strongly onesided and very american i might at...wonder why.....lol and far as iraq and 9/11 is concernered iraq has trained terrioust with vests loaded with explosive and sent them on sucicide mission. And they found these vests alond with explosives and other weapons i think twi or three days ago.

as far as churches are concerned, first i am christian, but the churches dont have alot of room to talk either all through historts churches have also fought wars, look at one of the biggest religions in the world the catholics and they have a very brutal history, but this isnt about churches, its about saying thankyou to the next soilder you see and thank him for your and iraqiis freedom. If we had no soilders or military we could have been in the same bed as the poor iraqis were you know saddam to remember just a simple thankyou to all the armed forces and a thankyou for your freedom also, remember just a simple THANKYOU will do

again and again ....

gdog, does 948 french citizens is a valid representation of ~ 48,000,000 french citizens above 15 ?

948 was the amount of people participating in that poll ........

as I said in another post, if you trust so blindly these stats/polls - in US polls are usually conducted on 800-1000 citizens - why don't you take 1000 US citizens and make them vote at the next presidential election .... it will be quicker and easier to count and as they say that you have 3% of margin error you can trust them ......

hey frenchfried go back to your little back stabbing country and learn how to read so you can read the bible.

Remember i didnt do this thread for religion or anything else except for all to say thankyou to our soilders/allies for fighting to free an oppressed country.And to thank the vetrens past and pressent for our freedom and yes your freedoms to frenchfried and tdog or whatever you are, and nowar. Yes vetrans even died for all of your rights even if you deserve them or not. Thats just it freedom is blind to all races,countries and religions. Freedom is made up of all of these traits, not torture,rape,beatings and murder.But of freedom of speech,freedom of religion,freedom of being able to sleep good at night and not worrying about your door being kicked in and your family being dragged out to the city square and hanged. Thats FREEDOM and thats why just a simple thankyou will do for all of your freedoms even if you deserve them or not. Just a thankyou will do next time you see a servicemen present or past. It dont hurt to say and goes along way. NEXT TIME YOUR OUTSIDE IN THE YARD WITH YOUR FAMILY EATING A NICE DINNER AND ENJOYING YOUR FREEDOM REMEMBER JUST A THANKYOU WILL DO There is a high price to pay and has been payed by blood for the freedom you are enjoying so remember JUST A THANKYOU WILL DO. God bless our soilders and our allies and pray for a safe trip home for our men and women and children. Just a thankyou is all you have to say when you see a vet. Just a thankyou will do.

as you include me in your list you didn't read some of my posts where I say thank you for WWII ........

whats wrong frenchfried truth hurts huh yea we even saved your butts to but alot of your soilders also died so a thankyou should be said to them also. People like you who have no common sense or idea at all what you enjoy and take for granted never was there until your soilders and countrymen died for them. Freedom is the right of every liveing human on earth but there is and allways has been a cost for your freedom that you enjoy, and this will never change. So instead of bit..ing about everything, next time you see a vet or soilder tell them thankyou for what you enjoy. Your freedom remember just a thankyou will do.