Everything Came To Light When I Saw The Iraqis Celebrating

Post-9/11 Era Forum

I was against this war for the rise in terrorism, and the other consequences this war has caused or will cause

but I will put all of that aside, and I will honestly admit its all worth it to see the Iraqi people liberated

I still don't believe this was really George Bushes motive for invading iraq, and I don't support wars based on lies but nonetheless I am extremely proud that our country liberated the people, and I feel I was very naive to forget about their suffering

If the world has to suffer as a result in order for them to be liberated, so be it

because they are humans like us, and every human deserves freedom

I honestly don't think this will bring peace to the world, but if our country decides to put a hault to the palestine/israel situation I think we will take a huge leap towards that path, and I feel we will drastically lower terrorism most importantly

Agreed.

The palastinian conflict is a vipers den, and will be slow to resolve, but it is a hope that I believe a vast majority of people want to see ended peacefully.

The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is indeed a viper's nest. It would be great if there was a simple answer to the problem. But there isn't. Both sides must realize their opponent will not go away and will not accept anything but mutual security and coexistence. The issue is no longer of right and wrong but of survival. Pragmatism and mutual respect are the only things that will win the day.

For all of you on this and other forums that spout radical positions, hatred, and stereotypical visions of other peoples, remember that 98% of the people in the world just want security and enough food for their children and perhaps a chance to have a brighter future. It is you the radicals and holders of hate and vituperation that cause the wars you rail against, no matter what SIDE you are on.

Paul

Sean i dont think they got $$$ millions contracts like Bruce Willis

What i think should be done in Israel is keeping US (or any other western) peecekeepers, while making a separate, sovereign Palestine, and disarming all the terrorist groups who are interester in instability there. Support to Palestine is the best thing US can do to show friendlyness to muslims world.

People want too much from US. States have lots of their own problems, and they have to take care of Israel, Iraq, Bin Laden, and so on. Give US some time.

It was good to see all those people celebrating in Bagdad as they were doing in Basra over the week. Law and order seemed to be breaking down slightly hopefully not for too long. One guy in the crowd seemed to know what he wanted, he said "if the Americans have come to liberate us - a thousand thankyou's, if they have come for any other reason or for our oil and occupation then I would rather be ruled by another Iraqi" this was amid the celebrations, I hope the USA stays to its word and doesn't plunder the oil now.

(2003/04/09): "Baghdad falls to US forces" (quoted from www.iraq.net)

The government of Saddam Hussein has lost control over Baghdad after US forces advanced into the centre of the capital.

US tanks drove unhindered into public squares on the eastern bank of the Tigris for the first time, including the area surrounding the Palestine hotel, where the international media are based.

In a symbolic moment, an American armoured vehicle helped a crowd of cheering Iraqis to pull down a huge statue of Saddam Hussein in the al-Fardus square in front of the hotel.

Dozens of exultant people leapt on the deposed figure and stamped on it, shouting "Death to Saddam!".

People have attached the old Iraqi flag to the pedestal.

US President George W Bush has said this is a historic moment.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39075000/jpg/_39075059_toppled203.jpg

And another who said:

"The US has never asked for any land from any country, except for the land to bury the men and women who did not return home." (quote might be off a lil bit...but its pretty close) Colin Powell

i would personally like to thank search, and anyone else who has come to admit some positive outcomes of this conflict.

i'am sure you still have many problems with the war in general, and that is your right. the arguments over weapons and bush may continue, but there is no doubt about what the people of iraq are feeling. that's all there is to it.

My position hasn't altered any. It's good to see Iraqis free, these were feel good pictures but now the diplomacy starts and I don't think that's the hawks strongpoint. If Bush hands over the reins to the UN then hats off to him, it will certainly put my mind to rest and possibly many others. But if he doesn't then watch this space...the Iraqis may find themselves only momentarily free.
There is a danger here of getting carried away by recent pictures. I admit I'm a little surprised by the eventual euphoria and hope that the trust the Iraqis are putting in the coalition forces isn't misplaced. The opportunity exists now for America to show that its not all military muscle, but also a true force for democracy. To do that it will have to concede that the Shia muslims will need strong representation in the new government as they are 60% of the population, even though they have stronger links to Islamic Fundamentalism than to the ideology of the fallen Baath party.

have any of you noticed that donald rumsfeld has said many times that iraq is not going to have democracy imposed. the interrum government is going to be representative, obviously not democractic since these people will not be elected. after that, the iraqi people will establish their own system. the interrum government is meant to serve as an example, and i'am sure the iraqis will choose democracy for themselves.

your opinion hasn't changed? you should admit that the war was beneficial, and therefore change your opinion of it.

nobody's questioning the future will be tough, and the political side of it very tricky, but i have faith in the iraqi people...middle easterners are very intelligent people, and as they become experienced through example of the interrum government they will become an efficient government ruled state.

You can easily tell the real peace protestors from the fake anti-American ones.

Anti-American ones will always try to snatch some sort of victory when they have been utterly and completely defeated.

What happened today was a historic moment. There was no bloodbath as many of the peaceies predicted nor was there much civilian property damage. The looting that is occuring is being done against government buildings, remnants of a despotic regime.

I have a feeling the peaceniks are extremely disappointed that the US won the war with so few casualties (both coalition and Iraqi) and now they can't say to us, "We told you so!"

Good for you!!

Mike why do you persist in seeing this war as some sort of game. Ha ha the peaceniks lost, we were right. Let me explain something to you. I didn't want the coalition to "win". I didn't want Iraq to "win." I didn't want a bloody war in the first place. To me there are no winners and losers on the military side of things. You may see things in black and white but we don't. We try to look deeper into the cause and effect of what is happening over in Iraq.

Good post scott. I said before that America would have to have the Shias heavily represented in their new government to reflect their majority in the popultaion. But that would cause allegiance with Iran and the Islamic fundamentalism they share. The litmus test was whether America could swallow that and still do the right thing by the iraqis. Unsurprisingly they failed. Welcome to another US inspired regime.

This war isn't over yet people. There is still plenty of time to find WMD and unfortunately, there is still plenty of time for it to be used on people too.

It won't really be over until the new Iraqi government is in place and they are operating on their own.

i heard on the news this morning that although the troops have found some "questionable" weapons, first and foremost they are there to liberate the people, then they can look for these weapons....most importanly, the troops have only come accross 20 or so sites of the well over 1000 possible weapon locations known to the US government...

my point is that it is a little early to start the " no WMD" rhetoric...
also no one knows what went over the borders or the extent of the underground caverns where these things could be hidden.... we need to take a wait and see approach, emphasis on the "wait"... the fact that this war gets to unfold right before our eyes is deceptive in that it skews the time table and makes one think that it has been going on for a much longer time than it really has.....3 weeks..

RE: SEARCH4TRUTH

i'm proud of you.... its nice to see that even the most liberal of Bush haters can come to the right conclusion... however i think it is important to remember that while yesterday was a great day for Iraq, there is still much fighting left to do....the war is not "over" as many would say, but the tables have definantly been turned....

whatever it is that led you to " see the light" please share more of it with nowar....he still needs a little help yet... but maybe he'll come around

Very Brave Search - this distinguishes you from the throng of liberals. I also understand your position from the beginning as not being a "peace" guy - but just a harsh realist based upon many undisputable historic facts, valid fears, as well as a number of assumptions I still don't agree with. But in any case good show!

It's reassuring to see people in agreement when it comes to the well-being of others.

scott you are quite a character. not only do you fit the category of 'one of those people' who continues to attack the coalition no matter what, bitter that his viewpoint was denied by the outcomes of the conflict, but i'am sure that had we found wmd you'd just make another ridiculous argument that puts the coalition at blame. sharing opinions with you is pointless.

you just don't give a **** about the iraqi people. my proof is that your posts only talk about weapons of mass destruction. all you care about is legitimizing this war by finding these weapons, and think that if they aren't, whatever happens to the iraqi people is insiginificant.

yea, screw the people. we better find these weapons otherwise it's all over.

to see someone rejecting the emotions of the iraqi people themselves, and continue to talk about wmd when this is going on, is not even ignorance. it's insulting, insensitive, foul behavior. and quite frankly, it's stupidity

if you are so worried about wmd, then go focus your efforts on trying to make a related change. let the rest of america support the progression of iraq and it's people, while you sit and whine about weapons.

and i love how you know exactly what kind of political structure we're going to 'impose' on iraq. where did you discover all these details about the dictator being put into place? this is very interesting. you seem to have access to a lot of facts that nobody else in the world has heard. you must close aquaintances in the white house??

didn't think so. stop dennouncing the american government for the dictator they're going to put in charge of iraq as if you've seen into the future and confirmed this.

more stupidity.

keep it coming. i'll just keep shutting you down.