Disturbing Video

Israel & Palestine Forum

http://www.pmw.org.il/new/AFD_eng.html

It is a 7 minute documentary. It should answer a lot of questions some people have. After viewing the movie, scan the rest of the page.


And if you want to see how Islam corrupts the minds of Muslims please view the mpeg half way down titled " For the camera, a mother sends her son to be killed".

I can't wait to be called the hateful one again.

This is the hard reality that devildog has proven and that no one is willing to face. Muslims hate Americans, because they hate the West. It is part of their religion. In fact, hating Christians is virtually the central principle of Islam. Muslims will hate the West whatever we do, but they will not necessarily keep on hating America (and Britain) unless we continue to remind them of why they hate us, in particular, more than they hate Germany or France.

They hate us in particular because we have twice invaded a Muslim country, which we currently occupy, and because we continue to support the terrorist policies of Ariel Sharon (only America, not Britain). Of course at this point, even if we exited Iraq and forced Sharon to act more like a head of state and less like Al Capone, Islamic terrorism would not disappear, but it might become more manageable.

The stupid policies of several administrations have got us into this situation. Politicians refuse to acknowledge the threat of Islam, and they continue to support the Islamic regimes in Bosnia and Kosovo—regimes that, in return for the support and largesse of Osama bin Laden, granted the terrorists citizenship in a European country and a safe haven for their terrorist operations. And, just to rub the Christians’ noses in the dirty policy, they send Turks and Jordanians to protect the KLA killers. Sending Muslims to help bring peace to Kosovo is like sending Pakistanis to police Kashmir.

In all the outroar at the 9/11 Commission over who knew what and when, no one asked the hard questions of the CIA: When did you stop cooperating with Bin Laden and the Islamic terrorists you put in power in Afghanistan? When will you stop supporting the Islamic terrorists you put in power in Bosnia and Kosovo? When even before 9/11 I asked intelligence agents such questions, they laughed and insisted that they had been right to train Islamic extremists in Afghanistan and pump them up with religious propaganda and right to use radical Muslims in the Balkans. This was Realpolitik, they insisted, and the CIA continues to refuse to admit the basic error in their thinking.

I think devildog, you have certainly proven that Islam is a violent religion, however this isn't to do with Israel - Israel is a secular country, and I think it should be on the religious forum. Obviously, there are suicide bombers killing themselves in the name of Allah, but ultimately this conflict is over land not religion, if it was over religion then Muslims and Jews would have been fighting for centuries, not just since the beginning of Zionism (late 1880's).

So, do we ban Islam and proclaim it a terrorist cult?

Obviously extremism applies to all of the three monotheistic religions, I'm not sure about the others I don't know much about them. Based on my readings of the Old Testament, the Talmud and the Qur'an it is evident that if we were all to follow the "holy" books literally the world would be a dangerous place indeed. However, it is also worth noting that modern extremism is usually branded to Muslims, mainly because most of the world's "terrorists" are Muslims. Nevertheless, you should remember that it is the minority in each religion who takes their holy books literally and becomes an extremist, unfortunately Palestinians suffer so much hardship they are forced to turn to their God, in the process they read the Qur'an and they read about how death is better than being oppressed (which is debatable).

A few of them are harmful?
A few million maybe! That's too many. And it is growing every day.
Suadi schools still teach hatred for the west as well as Pakistand and Syria to name a few.
Islam is becoming something other than a religion. It's becoming a cult based on the theory of a mortal.

Wow, Az. I can't believe that you have come to grips with it. Good Job! The truth shall set you free. I just wish I could get through to a Muslim. It must be because you are not a Muslim. You defended it like you were one so I will ask you anyway. Why is it, that I can present 10 times the amount of evidence needed and Muslims still refuse to admitt it? Maybe you can explain that to me, because I am at a loss. Why not show outrage for the ones who are really doing harm to the Arabs. Did you see those beautiful little girls? It makes me angry. How can the arab world not care?

DevilDog:

Since you are up on the Qu'Ran, where in there does it talk about suicide and what does it say?

Curious.

- woolfe

I agree with some of AZ's comments, but would like to add something. The Arabs have not "returned" to their God in light of actions taken by Israel and the west. They have in fact never left their "God."

Arab-Islam has an unbroken tradition of fundamentalism going back to its exception. So too have the other monotheistic religions until very recently in history.

The actual terrorism (though not violence is general) is of course a more recent incarnation that has to do with hatred of the west. The hatred predated events in the 20th century, but the terrorism arose because of actual *presence* of the "infidel" in their midst in greater numbers more recently.

I agree with Devil Dog about what it says in the Arab holy books. However, where he and I part company is the notion that an Islamic people is necessarily a violent people. In Turkey, for example, they practice a more moderate version of Islam, and they tend not to support terrorism. The reason for this is that Attaturk's rule in the 1920's and 1930's brought about modernization and democratic reform. Yet Turkey remains a Muslim nation.

Were the Arab nations ever to embrace modernity, they too would renounce terrorism in greater numbers. Christianity and Judaism (just recently) have embraced the European enlightenment, with its emphasis on democracy, humanism and rationality. For cultural, historical and geographic reasons, the Arab-Islamic nations have not. That's the real issue, not Islam.

- woolfe

I understand that The Qur'an talks about how glorious it is to DIE in the cause of Allah. What I am talking about is the notion of committing suicide, not dying in a war, for example, by being struck by an infidel's bullet or sword.

I thought that suicide was prohibited in Islam. Am I wrong?

- woolfe

Im going break things down,

I believe Shahada means to fight for Allah or for your Country or to die for Allah or your Country.

I think that do die for Allah or your Country is basicly fighting.

The video starts talking about the two 11 year old girls talking about Shahada, saying how its beautiful and how every children dreams of Shahada.

Then it asks what has caused this compelling desire for death, again, Shahada means to Fight for Allah, and what has caused this desire for death?

The maker completely forgets about the 50+ years of oppression and 35+ of occupation, he forgets about the physical and mental abuse that Palestinian kids face in Israeli Jails, and he forgets that the Palestinians are willing to die for their country.

So he blames it on the PA, thinking that two 11 year old girls speak for the thousands or millions of Palestinian children.


Then they show a video of a Palestinian kid being shot because he threw rocks i believe, and they said that this video is designed to alter a child's fear of death and portrays Shahada heroic.

But games like Grand Theft Auto and Movies dont alter a child's fear of death?

Based on the footage, its a song about a young school boy who decided to carry out Shahada, its a song and a video made by an Artists, not by the PA.

All that was only 1:17 of the video, i will finish the rest tomorrow.

So he blames it on the PA, thinking that two 11 year old girls speak for the thousands or millions of Palestinian children.

I'd prefer to think you're right, that it's just about what 2 kids think, but unfortunately the article contains a lot of information to suggest that this perception is very pervasive among Palestinian children. And the article links much of the propaganda directly to the PA.

But games like Grand Theft Auto and Movies dont alter a child's fear of death?

Interesting point. However, playing a video game that depicts violence is a bit different than having teachers, parents and your media teaching you that violent death is a good thing to achieve...

- woolfe

Woolfe, I am truly honoured that you feel you should quote me in your signature! LOL

Good. In the other thread, I'm sure you'll be able to see how I evidently prove my point successfully.

Im going to do another section now, what bothered me the most was that these kids or these girls prefer Shahada than Peace and a State for the Palestinians.

Arafat is responsible for this, fat piece of garbage just like Sharon.

Didn't that video say that around 80% of the children felt the same way as those two girls? I don't think children in Israel think the same way, Bro. As much as you despise Sharon, TWBR, you do understand the difference, right? Put the shoe on the other foot for a moment.

Ok, im going to do some.

At 1:54 it says, " Ask for death, the life would be given to you"

Which basicly means that for the Palestinians, there is no life on earth for them, and we can understand, and that Paradise is life that they are looking for.

1:55-3:11 - Talks more about Shahada, and talks about the first woman suicide bomber.

3:30 - Arafat talks about how children should fight off the IOF, nothing wrong with that.

Then goes to the Muslim telling the Palestinians to kill Jews, which is completely uncalled for and is completely ignorant, that pissed me off, to have **** like those people preaching to the Palestinians.

4:30 - Goes back to the two girls, they said again that they want to carry out Shahada than have Peace and Full rights for the Palestinian people, some one smack her in the head please.

Then goes to Conclusions, to me, that wasnt enough information, the only good information to prove their point was the two girls and the stupid Muslim who was preaching hate, but other than that, everything else was weak.

I will make a thread about both Palestinian and Israeli textbooks.

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You really want to free Muslims from the oppressiveness of Islam ??

Good luck mate.

I see only one solution : nuke them all !!

I will answer you more completely later...

It was video. You saw the children, you heard their rantings and beliefs, we see them speaking in palestinian and you say "why should this claim be taken serously"?

We saw 2 little girls, we did hear their stupid rantings and beliefs, but just because two 11 year old Girls have those beliefs doenst mean that all Palestinian children do aswell.

Are you saying the video is fake? See I can understand you saying that than simply saying "the claims can't be taken serious" this after we heard the words from the mouths of babes. Yet anything brought into these forums saying Israel is the devil stealing from and killing Palestinians you whole heartly accept as holy truth.

The video taking a perfectly fine song and a video on the song about a Palestinian kid who became a martyr and tried to make it look as if the PA made it to brainwash Palestinian children.

I see tons of these types of videos on other Arab channels, one video was about a Palestinian woman who got killed in crossfire between the IDF and Militants.
Is that video supposed to brainwash women into getting into crossfires so they can become martyrs? No, its for entertaining.

If some Israeli artists made a song about an Israeli kid who got killed in a shooting, is it made to brainwash the Israeli kids to come out and get shot by Palestinian militants? No

That right there pissed me off, and was all i needed to not take this video seriously.

I also dont know why it went from Palestinian children being brainwashed into Shahada to a Extremist Muslim who preaches death to Jews.

Well yes, since they arent based on real events, they are Music Videos made for entertainment just like the ones we have here in the States, and other countries.

TWBR have you taken a look at my signature lately? I think you are totally beyond the scope of reason. Entertainment? Why not show how Palestinians are blowing up children and women in restaurants if it’s for entertainment? After all, they seem to enjoy that stuff now don’t they?

I have a question. Do you deny that this ideology is taught to the children in schools and in their homes?

We werent talking about Palestinians blowing themselvs up and taking Israelis with them, we were talking about songs and videos which are made about Palestinian kids carrying out Shahada. ( they arent about real martyrs)

I dont deny that this ideology is taught to some Palestinian children, all thanks to Arafat, im sure that the parents are too mature to be teaching them.

Son you have so much to learn

I just jumped to the last page here, so I may sound stupid

the number one priority of any television station is not delivering information, but making profit (which means getting people to watch. Maybe that's what TWBR meant)

You're too kind

Dekka you’re mistaken the Palestinians for something other than then socialism dictatorship they are. They’re not allowed to make profit and their media is government controlled. I guess that shoots that explanation to death.

Besides, TW can’t honestly think that they can show anything on TV that shows Palestinians in any other position than being the victim now could he? If he does, then he’s been living in the States too long.