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Posted by: 64impala

The 2004 Presidential Election: The Fix Is In

On 60 Minutes Sunday night, Bob Woodward reported to Mike Wallace that his new book contains an account of Saudi Arabian Ambassador, Prince Bandar, promising Bush that he would win the election because Saudi Arabia would manipulate the oil prices prior to the election to help strengthen the Bush economy. Saudi Arabia has had long-time personal business arrangements with the Bush family.

60 Minutes Excerpt

"Prince Bandar enjoys easy access to the Oval Office. His family and the Bush family are close. And Woodward told 60 Minutes that Bandar has promised the president that Saudi Arabia will lower oil prices in the months before the election - to ensure the U.S. economy is strong on election day.

"Woodward says that Bandar understood that economic conditions were key before a presidential election: Theyre [oil prices] high. And they could go down very quickly. That's the Saudi pledge. Certainly over the summer, or as we get closer to the election, they could increase production several million barrels a day and the price would drop significantly."

About Bush's Iraq war, Bush told Woodward that he, Bush, was God's messanger as he commited the United States to war. Bush did not ask the Sec. of Defense, the Sec. of State, his War Council, or the United States Congress. Bush did ask Condi Rice and Karen Hughes, reports Woodward

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OK LETS FAST FOWARD TO TODAYS NEWS

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Saudi signals push on oil production ceiling
By Kevin Morrison and Javier Blas in Amsterdam
Published: May 23 2004 10:33 | Last Updated: May 23 2004 12:52

Saudi Arabia has signalled it wants to increase the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries production quota from 2m barrels a day to as much as 2.5m b/d, bringing the quota into line with current output.

The measure unlikely to be welcomed by other Opec members, who had reservations about a plan for a smaller increase in the output ceiling.

The fresh initiative underlines Saudi Arabia's seriousness to address rising oil prices and fulfil strong demand from the US and China. It also pits the Kingdom against many of its fellow Opec members who have limited ability to increase production.

The split was highlighted at the meeting of most Opec ministers in Amsterdam attending a forum between producers and consumers. Ministers were only in agreement about their concern of the high oil price, but were in disagreement about the increase in quotas and the causes for US crude futures price rise to above $40 a barrel.

Ali Naimi, Saudi Arabia's oil minister, said in an interview with al-Hyatt newspaper that Opec's self-imposed ceiling could be raised between 2.3m b/d and 2.5m b/d, a level other Opec members are expected to disagree with, giving that some members had reservations about raising the quota by the already revised Saudi proposal of 2m b/d.

Mr Naimi told the newspaper that a price of $30 to $40 a barrel would not annoy anybody, and that high prices would put world economic growth in danger.

"The market would welcome $35 because it fears $50 and we also fear that price," Mr Naimi was quoted as saying.

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Posted by: Crazie

your point?

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Posted by: Dekka00

sheisty business

this whole jihad/war on terrorism crap is just bickering between global oil elites.

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Posted by: USA1

Ok, we are being punished by the cheapest gas prices on the planet.
Too bad hey?

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Posted by: Dekka00

as stated in the first post: Saudi Arabian royalty and the Bush family are ALLIES not enemies.

make sense now?

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Posted by: USA1

Let me repeat this. "The Arabs are not our friends nor Bush's." They are probably more of an enemy that OBL.

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Posted by: Dekka00

have you lost your damn mind?

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Posted by: Dekka00

are you saying the above article is lying?

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Posted by: USA1

I'm saying Saudi is not our friend.

Oil prices have changed at every election and I am sure they will for this one.
It doesn't mean we are their friends, it means our money is their friend.

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Posted by: Dekka00

okay, good point. So let's stick to the word 'ally.'

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Posted by: 64impala

Does conservatism involve sniffing crack nowadays?

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Posted by: Crazie

quote:
64impala said this in post #11 :
Does conservatism involve sniffing crack nowadays?


You smoke crack not sniff it. Coke you sniff which Hollywood seems to be quite fond of. Most of Hollywood is what? Dems.
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Posted by: USA1

Saudi is was more of an ally before 911. Since then there have been a lot of tension. They believe we are trying to overthrow their government when in fact it is OBL. Their King thinks we have the same agenda as OBL.
Is there in breading in those royal families too?

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Posted by: Dekka00

quote:
Is there in breading in those royal families too?


probably
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Posted by: 64impala

quote:
USA1 said this in post #13 :
Saudi is was more of an ally before 911. Since then there have been a lot of tension. They believe we are trying to overthrow their government when in fact it is OBL. Their King thinks we have the same agenda as OBL.
Is there in breading in those royal families too?


Michael Moore will further discuss the relationship of the Saudis and the American government in the movie Farenheit 911. The powers that be our trying to stop the flow of free speech, but the movie will be released and the truth shall be known.
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Posted by: loganc

USA, do you think all arab nations are our enemy?

You said that 'Arab's are not our friend nor Bush's"

I think this is not true. Lets take Kuwait for example.

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Posted by: USA1

It's MOVIE.

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Posted by: USA1

I think all Arab Nations look at the US as a means of income. Nothing more.

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Posted by: Dekka00

you think the US sees Arab Nations as anything other than oil fields?

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Posted by: loganc

I agree with Dekka. USA, you are only looking at one side of the picture.

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Posted by: Coogee Beach

Ah - y'know - people are people wherever you go - there's ignorance and fear on both sides of the divide. And you can't lump Arabs with Muslims any more than you can lump a German with a Texas good ol' boy.

y'know - we all know that people are the same wherever you go. There's good and bad, in everyone. But we learn to live, and we learn to give each other, what we need to survive, together alive. oh. ebony and ivory sit together in perfect harmony side by side on my piano keyboard, baby.

ha. getting late. anything good happening in the world at the moment? Y'know - that's nice? and doesn't involve killing and distrust and Us vs Them.

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Posted by: USA1

I agree, we only need the Middle-east for their oil but, we could easliy get it from somewhere else. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

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