The Finale, Diana DeGarmo vs. Fantasia Barrino |
| Posted by: mystic | | Its funny...at the auditions when they set up different tuesdays for different groups...out of all the groups, fantasia and diana were my favorites...its nice to see my two fav's in the finale!
I have to say though...Fantasia will get a contract either way...so Im kind of hoping Diana wins so she is guaranteed one also. I think they are both talented enough to have one, and I like them both....
But for the title....Im voting Diana....
I think we know who the winner will be, because I think they have made it perfectly clear, but Im still hoping for Diana to win. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: AZIdolfan | |
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mystic said this in post #5 :
I think we know who the winner will be, because I think they have made it perfectly clear, but Im still hoping for Diana to win. |
That's just it, Mystic. You've proved the point I have tried to make in this Board. We have never been told who received the most votes, so we don't really know "who the winner will be", as you put it. What you are REALLY referring to is who the judges have pushed, in their hope of influencing our votes. Simon even went overboard and admitted using reverse psychology to try to arrange for a Fantasia win. How utterly inappropriate! Is he a judge or Fantasia's business manager?
I don't like it, and I would not even like it if they were "pushing" Diana, whom I would like to see win, as you do. I prefer to make my own choice, not be told by judges who the correct American Idol should be.
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| Posted by: mystic | | Okay we all know who the judges are siding with as their favorite...
I think there is a solution to the bias with the judges after they sing. What they should do is listen to them sing...write down thri comments....let us vote, and then the next night when someone is to be voted off...then they should add their comments.
This would certainly take away from the people who have no mind of their own and vote for whoever the judges say is best fit.
Maybe we would still know who their favorite is...but I still think it would be best to vote before the judges speak their minds.
Just a thought though.
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| Posted by: Nattylisa | | Another thing that bothers me about the judging is what they have created. I don't know if they realize this but by giving Fantasia so much praise left and right - they have set up a controversy if Diana wins.
I would hate to think that young Diana will win and the media will go crazy saying voters got it wrong, Fantasia was better, shock, outrage....,madness....
She's only 16 and I worry for her. It makes me sad what could happen. I hope it doesn't. I will still vote for her. She's my favorite contestant ever. | | Reply To this Message
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mystic said this in post #12 :
Okay we all know who the judges are siding with as their favorite...
I think there is a solution to the bias with the judges after they sing. What they should do is listen to them sing...write down thri comments....let us vote, and then the next night when someone is to be voted off...then they should add their comments.
This would certainly take away from the people who have no mind of their own and vote for whoever the judges say is best fit.
Maybe we would still know who their favorite is...but I still think it would be best to vote before the judges speak their minds.
Just a thought though.
Go Diana! |
i like your idea. the very first time we see eye to eye.
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| Posted by: oldbutafan | |
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mystic said this in post #5 :
Its funny...at the auditions when they set up different tuesdays for different groups...out of all the groups, fantasia and diana were my favorites...its nice to see my two fav's in the finale! |
Mystic ... weren't both Fantasia and Diana in Group One ?
I think so. Interesting. Ruben, Clay and Kim Locke were all in the same group last season ( Group 3, I think). Ruben and K-Lo were voted though from their group and Clay came back and was America's Choice in the Wildcard Round.
And I remember that Diana was the very first one to sing in the semi-finals and sang "I've Got the Music In Me" but I forgot what Fantasia sang. Do you recall ?
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| Posted by: oldbutafan | |
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mystic said this in post #12 :
Okay we all know who the judges are siding with as their favorite...
I think there is a solution to the bias with the judges after they sing. What they should do is listen to them sing...write down thri comments....let us vote, and then the next night when someone is to be voted off...then they should add their comments.
This would certainly take away from the people who have no mind of their own and vote for whoever the judges say is best fit.
Maybe we would still know who their favorite is...but I still think it would be best to vote before the judges speak their minds.
Just a thought though.
Go Diana! |
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skylar said this in post #14 :
i like your idea. the very first time we see eye to eye. |
It's a great idea mystic, and would work from our perspective, but really, the judges comments and the controversy they stir are what drives the show and the RATINGS.
BTW ... in my opinion, this season has been driven in a very negative direction. There really seems to have been a lot of mean things said, and racial references, negative things about Hawaii, etc.
Randy has gotten a snarly edge, and any respect I had for Paula's sacharine attempts to inject something positive, have been erased by that "honored to be in your presence" comment.
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| Posted by: oldbutafan | |
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Nattylisa said this in post #13 :
Another thing that bothers me about the judging is what they have created. I don't know if they realize this but by giving Fantasia so much praise left and right - they have set up a controversy if Diana wins.
I would hate to think that young Diana will win and the media will go crazy saying voters got it wrong, Fantasia was better, shock, outrage....,madness....
She's only 16 and I worry for her. It makes me sad what could happen. I hope it doesn't. I will still vote for her. She's my favorite contestant ever. |
Hi Nattylisa  welcome to InReview and the AI forum.
Their entire thrust -- their goal with this "talent search" has been to set up a horse race and a controversy to amp the RATINGS.
The same thing happenned last year. Many feel that the rightful Top 2 should have been Clay and Kimberley Locke, but they orchestrated it to put Clay and Ruben there. And how many votes did NOT get through will never be known ... so Ruben won the American Idol title by a very narrow margin. But who is the real winner ?
They rarely say only Kelly and Ruben, the almost always mention Clay ... and they almost acknowledge Clay as a co-idol in Season 2. Even Simon calls Clay a winner, straight out.
I think Diana will deal with the controversy as Clay did regardless of the outcome. She is certainly deserving of the American Idol title based on her vocal talent and that she has worked to EARN it. I think their little "Seabiscuit" has a hell of a lot of the "Smarty" spirit !
My biggest 'worry' is that they will both be singing the same "Idol" song next week ( co-written by Tamyra ) and I am concerned that it is a song that will showcase Fantasia and not Diana ...
Fantasia will sing last per the coin toss. The way these people work it was probably a two-headed coin. 
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| Posted by: Crazie | | That's just it I'm convinced this competition is fixed and a money thing. They really should do a thorough investigation on this. Let's look at time. Kelly and Justin. Justin was obvious better singer. Ruben and Clay. Again Clay was the better singer. And now Diana and Fantasia. Fantasia is a good singer yes but her talent only goes so far. Diana is much more versatile and a better performer by and large. My vote will go to Diana this week , but in all honesty I don't think my vote will matter. They will see to it that Fantasia wins. I really truly believe that both times win LaToya was voted out. I think Fantasia was really the one with the lowest votes and I think last week Fantasia was the one with the lowest votes. But I think it won't matter they will see Fantasia as a winner no matter what we want. Which pretty much makes this competition a joke. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | I happen to be pulling for Fantasia because I think she has the most talent. However I keep coming across threads that say the judges are influencing the votes. If that were so, then I don’t believe the last 3 we saw would have been the finalists.
Clearly there were some surprising votes to keep and rid the show of different contestants, some totally contrary to the judges opinions so much so that they expressed their dismay. Even the host Ryan Seaquest expressed his dismay at the polling results.
The judges are expressly asked their opinions of the performances and that is what they give. We have not only the judges but the artist and producers who lend their opinions to the show for the express purpose of lending some credibility to the whole issue and we still have those that still say even they are wrong for saying whether the performances were great or horrible.
It’s obvious those complaining the loudest are not graced with their choices in the final few on AI. To tell you the truth, I favored another contestant that’s no longer there, however there’s nothing wrong in what the judges are doing, simply expressing their PROFESSIONAL opinions as they are paid to do. Personally I happen to agree with much of what they’ve been saying the last few weeks. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oldbutafan | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #19 :
I happen to be pulling for Fantasia because I think she has the most talent.
oop, I happen to be pulling for Diana, because I think she has the most overall taleny as well as universal appeal. Also, she has demonstrated an unfailing determination and spirit in this competition and still excelled in adverse circumstances. (Illness, humiliation, cruelty ... etc. )
However I keep coming across threads that say the judges are influencing the votes.
There are threads because the judges do influence the voting, and drive the show and the ratings which is their primary goal.
If that were so, then I don’t believe the last 3 we saw would have been the finalists.
Of course we would.
Over the weeks, they have influenced to lessen competition against Fantasia which increases THEIR control of the outcome.
As said, many things factor into it but the judges see the vote counts for each contestant every week and we do not. Based on that, they gear their comments to amp votes for some and decelerate for others.
One example was the "Battle of the Divas" and "pins in dolls" comments regarding Jennifer Hudson. They didn't WANT a 3-way between Jenn, Latoya and Fantasia. They want Fantasia to win and the "split votes" with the diva talent in that 3-way would have lessened their control. Those comments fueled Jennifer's elimination, and with her out the votes went to the other two.
Another example is the recent Latoya situation. Many, many people favored her over all the others and could not find fault ... so Simon offered some complaints with the "Latoya ... we hardly know you" BS. We already knew she was a reserved personality, but he offered it as a negative and let her go, leaving them with an unbalanced Final 3, insuring Jasmine's departure.
Diana had such a stellar night on Disco week and on the Monday special, so they had to manipulate by criticizing her personal song choice and then choosing "challenges" for her and showcases for Fantasia.
I firmly believe that this year's Idol song "I Believe" to be sung by both in the Finale competition will favor Fantasia's style and the judges comments will be designed to psychologically or reverse-psychologically influence votes in Fantasia's direction. Let's see if that plays out.
Clearly there were some surprising votes to keep and rid the show of different contestants, some totally contrary to the judges opinions so much so that they expressed their dismay.
I don't think they are a bit surprised. They even re-scheduled "Big Band" Night so people would keep voting for John Stevens hoping he would get a chance to shine. They didn't WANT him to excel in a suitable genre while others took a back seat.
Even the host Ryan Seaquest expressed his dismay at the polling results.
Ryan's comments are scripted and are part of the plan. The results show night that Latoya departed, he opened with an ominous "America, what have you done ?" and after Simon's and Paula's comments on the previous night ... I KNEW Jasmine was staying and it would be bye-bye Latoya.
The judges are expressly asked their opinions of the performances and that is what they give. We have not only the judges but the artist and producers who lend their opinions to the show for the express purpose of lending some credibility to the whole issue and we still have those that still say even they are wrong for saying whether the performances were great or horrible.
What credibility ? Quentin Tarantino was competing with Simon for the Mr. Nasty crown; Elton John said the whole Jennifer thing was racist ( hogwash ); Donna Sommer was okay, but kept looking around to make sure she wasn't upsetting the balance; Clive Davis is on the payroll.
It’s obvious those complaining the loudest are not graced with their choices in the final few on AI.
Obvious ? How so ? I have been aware of this since Season 2.
To tell you the truth, I favored another contestant that’s no longer there,
As did I. I never cared for Fantasia's voice and Diana was one of my LEAST favorites. But she has grown in this competition and displayed her exceptional talent ... and she has grown on me.
however there’s nothing wrong in what the judges are doing, simply expressing their PROFESSIONAL opinions as they are paid to do.
They are paid to ENTERTAIN and increase the RATINGS. They do this by stirring up controversy, and yes ... influencing votes.
They have been consistently influencing to arrive at the current situation, and actually NAMED Fantasia before she even performed. Simon has named Diana "Seabiscuit" and in an interview, said she would win. This is designed to put Fantasia fans on edge and make Diana fans more complacent. This tactic works in Fantasia's favor as it INFLUENCES people to vote for Fantasia and it also invigorates the RATINGS.
As for their "professional" opinions ... I find things like "pack your bags" and "honored to be in your presence" along with humiliating talented kids very UN-professional
Personally I happen to agree with much of what they’ve been saying the last few weeks.
SOME of what they say MAY be accurate, but it's the way the say it and when they say it that influences.
Fantasia may have come off as "better" than Diana last Tuesday, but was she really ? Or was Fantasia given better suited song choices, and with those songs an opportunity to "perform" rather that just sing ? And were words like "magic" and "honor" thrown in to INFLUENCE your impression ?
oop, if you had another favorite early on ... an now you are favoring THEIR choice -- Fantasia, -- is it not possible they with their tactics and comments have exerted their influence on you. See what I mean ?
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| Posted by: AZIdolfan | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #19 :
The judges are expressly asked their opinions of the performances and that is what they give.
there’s nothing wrong in what the judges are doing, simply expressing their PROFESSIONAL opinions as they are paid to do.] |
Nothing could be further from the truth. If the judges were limiting their jobs to just expressing their opinions of the performances, as you suggest, I would be okay with that, and probably, so would all the others that share my opinions. What they ARE doing, in fact is tantamount to pronouncing who the winner should be and devising schemes to assure that it works out that way.
"Judges", JUDGE the contest. Don't DECIDE it!
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| Personally I happen to agree with much of what they’ve been saying the last few weeks. |
Well, of course you do. She's your favorite.
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| Posted by: Crazie | | Oldbutafan: that was awesome and summed it very well.
Also let me again really hit the point that Fantasia is NOT a better singer than Diana. Fantasia is stuck to one or two genre's while Diana is versatile. Hell seh could probably do opera if she really wanted to. Again whose the better singer??? Think bout it folks. vote Diana this week. Do the right thing | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: arktony | | This whole forum is getting on my nerves. I just can not stand it anymore. You all are just making no sense to me at all. "The judges are biase....They only want Fantasia to win..." Please stop! This is making no sense to me. If Diana was getting all the praise you all will not be saying this. All some of you are is Diana supporters who are just bitter. Some of you might be old contestant supporters, that have been voted off. Hey you know what I love Fantasia and love Diana but when it comes to talent then the judges are right. I have heard she is pushing her daughter. She is too attitudy which makes her too arrogant or full of pride. Well, this is becoming to tiresome. Just try not to be to biased yourselves and judge fairly. Cause to me the judges on AI are doing there jobs.
Holla back atcha boy? Why Am I still a member? Can I get a refund Fuscia?
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| Posted by: fuscia | | Picking who you want for the idol is like deciding what car you want. Everyone will say a different person because we all have different ideas of what sounds beautiful.
We can not expect everyone to agree because music is so subjective. How else would artists such as Madonna and J Lo be selling records with Whittney, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey doing the same. All are different and appeal to fans for different reasons. Some like R & B, some like Pop, Ska, jazz or even heavy metal.
Honesty, Fantasia and my preference for Diana all has to do with sound. Fantasia while being a good performer, just has too nasal of a sound for my taste. Last season, I liked Clay and Ruben.
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| Posted by: Crazie | |
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arktony said this in post #24 :
This whole forum is getting on my nerves. I just can not stand it anymore. You all are just making no sense to me at all. "The judges are biase....They only want Fantasia to win..." Please stop! This is making no sense to me. If Diana was getting all the praise you all will not be saying this. All some of you are is Diana supporters who are just bitter. Some of you might be old contestant supporters, that have been voted off. Hey you know what I love Fantasia and love Diana but when it comes to talent then the judges are right. I have heard she is pushing her daughter. She is too attitudy which makes her too arrogant or full of pride. Well, this is becoming to tiresome. Just try not to be to biased yourselves and judge fairly. Cause to me the judges on AI are doing there jobs.
Holla back atcha boy? Why Am I still a member? Can I get a refund Fuscia?
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You need to calm down man seriously. My reason for voting for Diana is the fact she is more diverse in her singing and Fantasia is not. You can not argue with me on that can you?? If so please show me examples
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| Posted by: arktony | |
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Crazie said this in post #26 :
You need to calm down man seriously. My reason for voting for Diana is the fact she is more diverse in her singing and Fantasia is not. You can not argue with me on that can you?? If so please show me examples |
I was not directing anything toward you Crazie. I do apologize for my comment. It was just bothering me how people say that the judges are being biased but they themselves had very biased opinions "like vote Diana to win...or send Fantasia home" i thought it was a little contradicting
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| Posted by: AZIdolfan | |
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arktony said this in post #28 :
It was just bothering me how people say that the judges are being biased but they themselves had very biased opinions "like vote Diana to win...or send Fantasia home" i thought it was a little contradicting |
Tony, you sound like a nice guy. I respect your opinion, even though I disagree with you strongly. However, what I think you are not understanding is that what you accuse us of, is exactly what you, I, and all of us are supposed to be doing - root, cheer, vote, and encourage others to vote. BUT, this is NOT what the judges are supposed to be doing.
Why, oh why, oh why do you Fantasia fans have SO much trouble understanding that??!!
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| Posted by: Crazie | |
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arktony said this in post #28 :
I was not directing anything toward you Crazie. I do apologize for my comment. It was just bothering me how people say that the judges are being biased but they themselves had very biased opinions "like vote Diana to win...or send Fantasia home" i thought it was a little contradicting |
I understand that bro but that is my job as I'm not the one sittiing next to the gorgeous Paula Abdul, but a viewer at home. Do you see my point?
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arktony said this in post #24 :
This whole forum is getting on my nerves. I just can not stand it anymore. You all are just making no sense to me at all. "The judges are biase....They only want Fantasia to win..." Please stop! This is making no sense to me. If Diana was getting all the praise you all will not be saying this. All some of you are is Diana supporters who are just bitter. Some of you might be old contestant supporters, that have been voted off. Hey you know what I love Fantasia and love Diana but when it comes to talent then the judges are right. I have heard she is pushing her daughter. She is too attitudy which makes her too arrogant or full of pride. Well, this is becoming to tiresome. Just try not to be to biased yourselves and judge fairly. Cause to me the judges on AI are doing there jobs.
Holla back atcha boy? Why Am I still a member? Can I get a refund Fuscia?
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Hi Tony, I just want to say that I feel comfortable in this forum, because I can express my opinion and get some things off my chest without fear of flaming or ridicule -- but good debate and discussion.
I honestly feel that a lot of AI is scripted, orchestrated, manipulated, etc. ... and and that's why I've said what I've said.
Sometimes I get really angry -- like when Simon said on a RESULTS night that two of the three safe ones, Fantasia & Latoya, deserved to be safe but excluded Diana from the deserving ones. This was on the RESULTS show Tony, when no peformance was being "judged".
I hope what I have said has not gotten on your nerves, but please understand this is one place where I feel safe in expressing my opinions -- and agree or disagree, enjoy reading your opinions and those of others.
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | At the point in the competition where it goes from the Judges putting contestants thru to America putting the contestants thru, the judges needed to leave their attitudes at the door. Ok I can understand on some they do do a horrible job. But at this point they (the Judges) have sent them thru and now all their comments should be more in the constructive or suggestive criticism as in. Not tell someone that they shoudn't be in the competition or that this week you are going home or that wasn't good or it didn't do it for me.
Especially when you get to the top 5 or 10. They are all good or they wouldn't be there. They get one, count them ONE week to learn a song and try and make it their own (as the judges say). They all work with the same singing coach so how much influence does she have on their choice of songs and the way they sing that song. | | Reply To this Message
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oldbutafan said this in post #21 :
I don't think they are a bit surprised. They even re-scheduled "Big Band" Night so people would keep voting for John Stevens hoping he would get a chance to shine. They didn't WANT him to excel in a suitable genre while others took a back seat.
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This is a wee bit off topic, but I need to pass this along, after reading your remark about John Stevens (which I totally agree with). My wife and I were listening the other day to a recording of Dean Martin singing "If You Were THe Only Girl In The World." I immediately visualized JS singing that song on American Idol. My wife and I both agreed that, given the chance, he would have blown a lot of folks away! But, they didn't want to give him that chance. Neither did most of the younger generation, who don't understand that kind of music. That's okay, I don't understand a lot of the trash they listen to either!
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| Posted by: arktony | |
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oldbutafan said this in post #31 :
Hi Tony, I just want to say that I feel comfortable in this forum, because I can express my opinion and get some things off my chest without fear of flaming or ridicule -- but good debate and discussion.
I honestly feel that a lot of AI is scripted, orchestrated, manipulated, etc. ... and and that's why I've said what I've said.
Sometimes I get really angry -- like when Simon said on a RESULTS night that two of the three safe ones, Fantasia & Latoya, deserved to be safe but excluded Diana from the deserving ones. This was on the RESULTS show Tony, when no peformance was being "judged".
I hope what I have said has not gotten on your nerves, but please understand this is one place where I feel safe in expressing my opinions -- and agree or disagree, enjoy reading your opinions and those of others.
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You have not said anything that got on my nerves. My problem was the contradicting and bias. So many said that they were tired of it but they do the same thing that they are mad with the judges. Now, I am a supporter of Fantasia and I have ran across a slew of people that do not like her cause of the quality of her tone (THAT is fine but to say she is ghetto or she just is not AI material because of anything other than her personality and talent is wrong).
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And I remember that Diana was the very first one to sing in the semi-finals and sang "I've Got the Music In Me" but I forgot what Fantasia sang. Do you recall ? [/B] |
Fantasia sang "something to talk about"
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| Posted by: Karen in Texas | | Wow, the only explanation is veiled bigotry. The judges praised Fantasia because she is undoubtedly extremely and utterly talented. Diana is just very good too but she is not great -- she may get there one day. Fantasia has "it" already. She must have obviously been born with "it". Do you really think Diana should win just because you don't want a black person to win???
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arktony said this in post #24 :
This whole forum is getting on my nerves. I just can not stand it anymore. You all are just making no sense to me at all. "The judges are biase....They only want Fantasia to win..." Please stop! This is making no sense to me. If Diana was getting all the praise you all will not be saying this. All some of you are is Diana supporters who are just bitter. Some of you might be old contestant supporters, that have been voted off. Hey you know what I love Fantasia and love Diana but when it comes to talent then the judges are right. I have heard she is pushing her daughter. She is too attitudy which makes her too arrogant or full of pride. Well, this is becoming to tiresome. Just try not to be to biased yourselves and judge fairly. Cause to me the judges on AI are doing there jobs.
Holla back atcha boy? Why Am I still a member? Can I get a refund Fuscia?
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Exactly how I feel! Everyone is being hypocritical, because they call people biased when they themselves are... thanks arktony, u said EXACTLY what I wanted to! And now i dont have to say it b/c u did!
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| Posted by: GarlandLvr | |
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AZIdolfan said this in post #33 :
My wife and I both agreed that, given the chance, he would have blown a lot of folks away! But, they didn't want to give him that chance. Neither did most of the younger generation, who don't understand that kind of music. That's okay, I don't understand a lot of the trash they listen to either!
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Excuse me you did NOT just say that! I mean, talk about STEREOTYPING!!!! "that kind of music" just happens to be my FAVORITE and I am only 16. I hate it when adults think all teenagers are stupid and dont know real music. And guess what I love today's music too, I love all kinds, even OPERA! So quit stereotyping us!!! I hate that so much!   
I listen to Judy Garland (incessantly), Frank Sinatra and the whole rat pack, they're great. I love Lena Horne, Bing Crosby, and I listen to the Glenn Miller band, love Johnny Mercer, and Gershwin songs are the best!
Just do me a favor, QUIT stereotyping! Please, before i go bonkers! I am disappointed in you. There are A LOT of young fans for John, his fanbase spread through all ages, he is great! I was so upset when he got voted off, but even more so when I heard that the VERY NEXT WEEK was big band night.... ahhh!!!
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GarlandLvr said this in post #38 :
that kind of music" just happens to be my FAVORITE and I am only 16. I hate it when adults think all teenagers are stupid and dont know real music. |
My apology to you and to any of the others in (my guess, 5%) in your age bracket that appreciate good music. (I did say "most", though, didn't I? I also never said or implied "stupid."
You have great taste! Opera, too, huh? Good for you. If this country had more young folks like you, less "heavy metal" and more 50's standards, it'd be a much, MUCH better place.
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| Posted by: GarlandLvr | | I know u didnt imply stupid, i just got angry lol! I dont like heavy metal, but I like pop and some rock, I love singer/songwriters like Fefe Dobson, Skye Sweetnam, and Amy Studt. I think you might like Amy Studt, she has great songs. But my absolute favorite music is the old stuff... thats the best. The only music i dont like :rap, heavy metal, and cheesy shallow pop music, not all pop music is shallow, but some is. I like music with some depth to it!
The only band I like that you probably would hate is Evanescence, but the lead singer, Amy Lee has a GORGEOUS voice, its kind of eery, but I love her! | | Reply To this Message
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Karen in Texas said this in post #36 :
Do you really think Diana should win just because you don't want a black person to win???
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I beg your pardon? I know you weren't necessarily directing your remarks to me and I can't speak for everyone in this group, but I can speak for myself. My favorite singer in the whole world, in the history of music, is Nat King Cole. My #2 favorite is miles behind! I don't think Fantasia is the great singer you make her out to be. She reminds me a little of Billie Holiday, whom I love, but she doesn't hold a candle to her!
And I've done what you suggest many times-listen without watching. Diana is the American Idol, whatever her color is. Furthermore, although I have no way of knowing, I suspect that most (if not all) the posters on this board are also basing their opinions on the performers' qualifications for AI and not their color.
That said, let me say that I do suspect a bit of racial prejudice on the part of one of the judges, but I try to look at it as just a music taste bias.
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| Posted by: GarlandLvr | | I agree stephanie, Fantasia doesnt need to win to be successful | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Stephanie13 | | Why thank you for agreeing with me no one ever agrees with me. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Stephanie13 | | I don't get why you'r noding your head no if you don't tell me. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Larke2000 | | doc may just be pulling your chain stephanie. because you said no one ever agrees with you. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Crazie | |
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I agree stephanie, Fantasia doesnt need to win to be successful |
Fantasia's crap attitude will always make her a loser in my book.
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| Posted by: temeka618 | | the votes are fixed and Fantasia will win and to tell the truth that's who deserves it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: AZIdolfan | |
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temeka618 said this in post #53 :
the votes are fixed and Fantasia will win and to tell the truth that's who deserves it. |
At last! A Fantasia fan who acknowledges what's really going on. Next year, they should change the name of the show to "Judges' Idol" 
As for who deserves it, it's a matter of personal taste. Millions of us would disagree with you. 
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| Posted by: Nattylisa | | For me Diana Degarmo is the American Idol with the true talent. I will vote for her. If she doesn't win, in MY mind she will always be the real winner.
Good luck to both.
The judges won't change because the show is a success and why alter the formula. I don't like it at all. It isn't fair. They should keep their ideas of who should win to themselves.
DIANA YOU ARE THE TRUE STAR!! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: ukbird25 | | I watched the special with Fantasia, Diana and Jazzy. I couldn't believe how arrogant Fantasia was. I just couldn't warm to her at all. Yes, she has an amazing voice but she is way to OTT.
Although, Diana can come across as far too happy and smiley, I think she is being herself and I would buy her records.
So my vote goes to Diana..........although I am in the UK........
Can't believe it will all be over this week. What an anti-climax. The judges adoration of Fantasia has put a dampener on things.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: AZIdolfan | | The judges, producers and music moguls have done everything in their power to manipulate the American Idol title to Fantasia Barrino, for reasons known only to themselves, most probably for personal financial gain. Don't sit back and take it! Vote as many times as you can get through. There will be four hours. Use every available land line and even your cell phone to bring Diana home as the American Idol for Season 3.
If you really, truly think that Fantasia has all the attributes of an American Idol, you should vote for her. If, as I do, you believe that Diana DeGarmo has more talent, persona, grace and enthusiasm, please vote for her. Don't feel sorry for Fantasia. She's already got a substantial recording contract wrapped up.
Look beyond the phoniness and vote for Diana as this year's American Idol. Don't let it become the "Judges' Idol" for their own selfish reasons. Fight back and tell them, at the same time, that we don't appreciate the cruel, inhuman, outrageous remarks made to not only Diana, but to other contestants whom they wanted eliminated as a part of their manipulation strategy.
We plan to try to get in at least two hundred votes in my household. Please do what you can, as well, if you really care about this. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | I will vote as many times as I can get through for Diana. I do think the show is rigged. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | Varra, I totally agree. We all have different taste in music. Let's hope they both do well after Idol is over. I am rooting for Diana. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | After making that statement about Diana Stephanie, I can see why.
Just kidding. However, Diana will go down in flames tonight and it is righfully so. She just doesn't have more talent than Fantasia. I've heard all the chapeau about how the judges are influencing votes and given the history of this season I have to admit I'm mystified how they can come to that conclusion honestly.
Fantasia, whether she will get a contract or not is besides the point. The best performer should win and so far, despite the judges comments, we've seen some strange things happen on AI.
I do believe that there could be some racial undertones here. Certainly we cannot deny that America has this problem. However the system is what it is and the problem lies more with the system than with some of the positions I've seen in this particular forum. I just don't buy the "its the judges fault" idea and it sounds more like sour grapes to me from those who do not favor Fantasia's talent. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Stephanie's comment
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| Posted by: Zerrick | | GO FANTASIA !
Mystic - I have a question for you. I'm not picking on you at all...I actually enjoy reading your post, but you said, "Fantasia will get a contract either way". This is one of the reasons you plan to vote for Diana... If I understand you correctly. Do you not think Diana will get a contract either way? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Bellamia | | In todays Journal, Simon was interviewed and he said that he thinks diana will win. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: AZIdolfan | |
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In todays Journal, Simon was interviewed and he said that he thinks diana will win. |
{Sigh} It's just the same old reverse psychology that he tried to pull on everyone once before. He said that because he wants Fantasia to win in the worst way, and he's hoping that fans of Diana won't vote in great numbers, trusting in his prediction.
Trust ME on this one!
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| Posted by: tangerinefire32 | | Hey y'all I'm from Texas and I just want to let you know that Diana will be the American Idol. I have put out flyers of my special room with at least 20 phones. different lines of course voting for her. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | Welcome to the forum Tangerinefire32
I reallly hope Diana can pull it off. I honestly think she has more talent. | | Reply To this Message
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Karen in Texas said this in post #36 :
Wow, the only explanation is veiled bigotry. The judges praised Fantasia because she is undoubtedly extremely and utterly talented. Diana is just very good too but she is not great -- she may get there one day. Fantasia has "it" already. She must have obviously been born with "it". Do you really think Diana should win just because you don't want a black person to win???
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i cant belive you said that. im black and i dont care for her tiny voice, she's to screachy for me. latoya was my fav, and i enjoy listening to diana. so why dont we just leave race out of this.
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | I will have to tell you that I thought the final 2 were going to be LaToya and Jasmine.
My impressions were that last nights performances we about equal. Each shined on 2 songs and each didn't on one song.
I am so sick of the judges trying to influence the voting that I may not watch next season. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: TxHerricane | | Hi. This is my first time to post. My name is Tara and I am from Texas. I am a Diana DeGarmo fan. My first choice was LaToya London, but America decided that she wasn't good enough. Honestly, I feel that it was the Fantasia fans that voted LaToya out of the contest. They felt that if Fantasia went up against LaToya, she wouldn't stand a chance and they were probably right.
I personally cannot stand Fantasia's voice and I don't find her sincere. She seems to be extremely "stuck on her self" and that screechy voice grates on me. I had my family over last night and none of them had watched American Idol. While standing in the kitchen (not being able to see the tv) my sister said "Oh my God, vote that person off, her voice is terrible". It was Fantasia. None of my family could believe that Fantasia was still in the running for the AI title.
I also don't agree with the judges when they say that Fantasia is the best singer to ever come to AI. That is so far from the truth. There have been plenty of singers stand on that stage that could sing circles around Fantasia.
I honestly feel that Fantasia is going to walk away with it, but I am hoping that the Diana fans did their stuff last night. I know I did.
Go Diana.
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| Posted by: Lawless | | Welcome to  Review, Tara.
I'm with you about the judges being extremely wrong. I don't think that Fantasia is the best singer, ever, on American Idol. If you were going to say that she was the best screecher, then I would agree!
I would have loved to have seen LaToya make it to the final 2... and was sad to see her removed, especially before Jasmine, who I don't think could sing very well.
My ultimate choice this year though was for Amy Adams, and I was very, very sad to see her go some time back.
Anyway... I would like to see Diana win, but I have a feeling that it will be Fantasia. Though, I KNOW that she will get a deal whether she wins tonight or not. They will sign her. They drool over her, and Paula cries everytime Fantasia sings. I thought that it was from the screeching... esp last night. Sounding, in that first song like someone was scratching nails on a chalkboard. Though, she did justice to the song that Tamayra wrote. I like when she sings in a quiet voice. If she did it like that all the time, I would LOVE Fantasia. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: okkerry@attbi.c | | is simon crazy??? he made the comment that fantasia was the best singer of all the american idol shows. hello.......
no one so far can sing better than kelly clarkston.
yes, there have been good singers, but no one can belt out a solid sound as well as her. he has flipped! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: citykat | | i don't think the judges are trying to influence the voting at all - i think it can be used as an out ,a source of fuel for the DD fans and also leverage for people to shout vote DD and not the judges choice - not a bad strategy, it worked.
i think the judges are producers & a performer and they behave, think and talk like producers & a performer. what are they paid to do? i can't read anymore into what they say than what they say. simon jumped in Fantasia's world on the first song - he didn't mince words, what he said to her was similar to what he said to Jasmine on her last night...so how is he being biased? you can disagree with them but where's your credentials? have you ever produced a record? have you ever been in a recording booth? what do you think goes on in there? how do you think we get the final product? because someone is delivering either criticism, praise and direction. why is everyone who is not performing taking what the judges says personally as if their choice of singer should never be criticized by people who know what they are talking about.
i also don't think Simon was playing with anybody's head - i agree with him. i think Diana will win also. she is not the better singer or performer IMO and she certainly showed that she will buckle under pressure and there are at least 1 million other girls her age who have the same sound as she does - she is nothing new or special and for that reason she is not my favorite. fantasia was not my favorite either. she is one who i think can compete with the other Idols that have been chosen around the world - i do not think Diana can do that...her low registers are off and she can not stay in tune like a professional should - if she stuck to loud high notes and never had to sing any verses she would do fine - she needs to find more songs like that or get more training. Fantasia's down side is that her voice is unique and people either love it or hate it - her plus is she stays in tune and on the right note and she will step up to a challenge rather than buckle. Her other downside is she is not a fan of holding notes and she should stay away from trying to do that and rightly so - she is the complete opposite of Degarmo in that she cannot do it big but her verses and poise are spectacular. As far as personality goes Degarmo is what everyone wants to see...pretty much a blank page, we have no idea of who she is as a person...that's good coaching and you can't buy that! she is nothing controversial - nothing to detract from her performance or take the focus off of what we should actually be judging - her singing ability. Fantasia is in contrast not a blank page, i have seen more comments regarding her personality than i have about her singing and for those who don't like her if their point can't be proven on the stage then their best bet is to take it offstage. I personally feel I don't have to hate one to love the other or vice versa...Diana will win, at least I hope she does. The judges know she will and they also know why and this is why they continuously let Fantasia know that she is good and I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were the other way around. Either way they both win.
The people vote opposite of the judges - have done it pretty much throughout until they just couldn't stomach Jasmine any more without embarrassing themselves. If Fantasia won, I would be shocked out of my gourd and I would hope the girl would be prepared for the abuse she's going to get - she'll have to meet w/ Reuben so he could explain winning and losing at the same time.
I heard Amy and I couldn't believe she got voted off before some of those other people - my case in point...talent had very little to do with the undertones of this competition. Was her pink hair the problem here?
last comment: what Fantasia has is not arrogance, its called confidence - without it, the featured act can't follow an equally talented opening act without blowing his/her own performance. being a singer is a helluva lot more than what i'm reading about on this forum....i voted once for each of them - God bless them both! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: okkerry@attbi.c | | 
the girls did well last night. i still think diana is the better singer. does anyone hear fantasia when she sings in an upper register??? hello..... she is screaming out the notes, not singing them. now diana opens her throat and belts it from the gut.
i'm not saying fantasia cannot sing, she can, she's good, but diana is better and can hold her notes longer and stronger.
and the comment simon made that fantasia was the best singer he's heard in all 3 idol shows??? clean you ears out simon, kelly clarkston is still the best. she always gave a flawless performance to the end.
go diana, go diana.
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| Posted by: Bellamia | | on the today show this morning it said that Diana had a ear phone malfunction in the middle of "don't cry out loud' (tiny dancer) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: chelktty | |
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citykat said this in post #77 :
i don't think the judges are trying to influence the voting at all - i think it can be used as an out ,a source of fuel for the DD fans and also leverage for people to shout vote DD and not the judges choice - not a bad strategy, it worked.
i think the judges are producers & a performer and they behave, think and talk like producers & a performer. what are they paid to do? i can't read anymore into what they say than what they say. simon jumped in Fantasia's world on the first song - he didn't mince words, what he said to her was similar to what he said to Jasmine on her last night...so how is he being biased? you can disagree with them but where's your credentials? have you ever produced a record? have you ever been in a recording booth? what do you think goes on in there? how do you think we get the final product? because someone is delivering either criticism, praise and direction. why is everyone who is not performing taking what the judges says personally as if their choice of singer should never be criticized by people who know what they are talking about.
i also don't think Simon was playing with anybody's head - i agree with him. i think Diana will win also. she is not the better singer or performer IMO and she certainly showed that she will buckle under pressure and there are at least 1 million other girls her age who have the same sound as she does - she is nothing new or special and for that reason she is not my favorite. fantasia was not my favorite either. she is one who i think can compete with the other Idols that have been chosen around the world - i do not think Diana can do that...her low registers are off and she can not stay in tune like a professional should - if she stuck to loud high notes and never had to sing any verses she would do fine - she needs to find more songs like that or get more training. Fantasia's down side is that her voice is unique and people either love it or hate it - her plus is she stays in tune and on the right note and she will step up to a challenge rather than buckle. Her other downside is she is not a fan of holding notes and she should stay away from trying to do that and rightly so - she is the complete opposite of Degarmo in that she cannot do it big but her verses and poise are spectacular. As far as personality goes Degarmo is what everyone wants to see...pretty much a blank page, we have no idea of who she is as a person...that's good coaching and you can't buy that! she is nothing controversial - nothing to detract from her performance or take the focus off of what we should actually be judging - her singing ability. Fantasia is in contrast not a blank page, i have seen more comments regarding her personality than i have about her singing and for those who don't like her if their point can't be proven on the stage then their best bet is to take it offstage. I personally feel I don't have to hate one to love the other or vice versa...Diana will win, at least I hope she does. The judges know she will and they also know why and this is why they continuously let Fantasia know that she is good and I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were the other way around. Either way they both win.
The people vote opposite of the judges - have done it pretty much throughout until they just couldn't stomach Jasmine any more without embarrassing themselves. If Fantasia won, I would be shocked out of my gourd and I would hope the girl would be prepared for the abuse she's going to get - she'll have to meet w/ Reuben so he could explain winning and losing at the same time.
I heard Amy and I couldn't believe she got voted off before some of those other people - my case in point...talent had very little to do with the undertones of this competition. Was her pink hair the problem here?
last comment: what Fantasia has is not arrogance, its called confidence - without it, the featured act can't follow an equally talented opening act without blowing his/her own performance. being a singer is a helluva lot more than what i'm reading about on this forum....i voted once for each of them - God bless them both! |
Amen sister, great post!
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| Posted by: hot4johnstevens | | yea I heard about Diana's ear piece problem last night when she was on our news....I know I voted and I hope others did. Diana did really well and I hope she wins. she moved me with that "I believe" and Fantasia didn't. I still like Randy last night, "THERE ARE MOUNTAINS IN GEORGIA..." there are...
and I agree none of the girls couldn't even hold a candle to Kelly clarkson's singing...same with the guys...none were as good as Clay or even Ruben | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: TxHerricane | | My ultimate choice this year though was for Amy Adams, and I was very, very sad to see her go some time back.
I loved Amy Adams and Matthew. I think they both got booted before their time.......................I thought Amy did a jam-up job on "Sin Wagon" during Country night, but the judges didn't see it that way.
OH well, I can hope for the best and will accept the outcome.
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| Posted by: Lawless | | You aren't alone, TxH.... Amy was my pick from her audition, when she sang Celine Dion, and blew me away.
Amy was AWESOME singing Sin Wagon, and I can't listen to that without thinking about her. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: citykat | | the people who were there will give the best indicator of who performed best or not - getting it from the tv is like watching from behind a wall...
i watched the crowd and that energy was amazing...
what a shame about DD's ear piece, and on her last song and during a verse at that with the judges criticizing her about her inability to sing verses well! what a shame - that had to be a hard pill to swallow. cuz it affected her on her strong suit as well the ability to hit the big notes and hold them. maybe she didn't mention it last night cuz she didn't want it to look like whining. imo, she did not do well last night on her first song or her last song. her second song was a great choice and she did well.
i think fantasia's first song was a horrible choice for her but she did well on her second and third songs.
i really liked amy too, except i didn't get to see all of her performances, just the videos on the web.. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: hot4johnstevens | |
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KJ said this in post #83 :
Amy was AWESOME singing Sin Wagon, and I can't listen to that without thinking about her. |
yea, I thought she did great on Sin Wagon but then again my pick for this season was John Stevens....2nd favorite was JPL...then George and then Diana...but...I hope Diana takes it all
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| Posted by: AZIdolfan | |
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KJ said this in post #83 :
You aren't alone, TxH.... Amy was my pick from her audition, when she sang Celine Dion, and blew me away.
Amy was AWESOME singing Sin Wagon, and I can't listen to that without thinking about her. |
Here's another testimonial for Amy Adams. I thought, and still do, that she had the most talent of all in the competetion. She got a raw deal from the "judges" (forgive me for constantly putting the word in quotes. I cannot consider them as judges until they start judging and stop crowning who they want to be winners).
In the Simon's mind, it wasn't good enough to sing a song exactly as well as Celine Dion would sing it, Because it wasn't completely different, she no longer qualified to be an American Idol? No, we all know the correct reason. He had his winner picked out way in advance and would not be influenced by any great performance by any other contestant.
It's too late for Amy. Let's hope that America cared enough to vote often enough to crown Diana, a great talent in her own right.
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| Posted by: fuscia | | The two I liked the best were Lisa Leuchner and Michael Keown. Amy was awesome and was my fav of the final 12. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Zerrick | | [That's where I have to stop you. I was totally fixed on Justin for the first season. I thought he was the most gorgeous thing on the planet but honey, he was not a better singer than Kelly. I am really surprised you think diffrently, but thats good I guess. D |
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