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Post-9/11 Era Forum

Adolph Hitler had his commandos strew flammables throughout the interior of the Reichstag Parliament
building,torch it ,and burn it down . The Poles got the blame.

The present day fascist Bush junta staged the 911 attacks ruse using the remote control capabilities of Boeing 767-757's and , imploded the buildings by controlled detonation . THe 48 story Bldg. # 7 designed to withstand 200 mph winds did not just up and crumble on its own folks . All this was swiftly pinned on Arabs very much in spite of the fact that there were no Arabs on any of the four passenger lists.

Those flight 93 calls were fabrications originating from a "war room " type situation .Reports about these calls with the exception of Olson's took days to surface. Devout Moslems don't wear red .

Signal strength data from the Cleveland Center controller tape prove unequivocally that the "Arab Hijackers with Bomb" calls were completely fake .The VHF emergency channel frequency of 121.5 ,if genuine , would have come through at 110% normal transmission strength in order to be heard over
regulartransmissions . The fake bomb on board calls were at about 20% normal intensity .

Flight 93 had two crash sites : one with no bodies on one side of a mountain S.E. of Pittsburgh and a second another six miles farther S.E. on the other side of that mountain with bodies . Smell a rat - don't you ? Hushed up reports of a plane crash in Colorado on 9-11-2001 beacon yet to be made findings
that will eventuate in George W. Bush's imprisonment .

It's impossible to pay for a flight with a credit card in one name and board that flight under a different name for crying out loud !!!!!! Again ,there were no Arabs listed on any of the four passenger lists. Decoy Sephardic Israeli Mossad agents using stolen I.D.'s posed as the Arab Cessna/Piper Cub jumbo jet
simulator trainees. Copious transactions were made in the names of the fictitious hijackers to create a false money trail . Some of those same credit cards -by the way- were still being used weeks after 9-11-2001. In time , all will realize that there were no Arab hijackers , only planes filled with bombs and
flown into buildings by remote control.

As with the 4-20-1999 Columbine massacre - murder imitated art . For Harris and Klebold it was the film The Basketball Diaries (1995) . The U.S. National Security Agency working with Israeli Mossad made murder imitate art by fashioning the Sept 11,2001 attacks stratagem around The FOX TV series The Lone Gunmen (X-Files spin off) which aired its opening episode "Pilot" six months before 9/11 (03/04/01) depicting a secret U.S. government agency behind a plot to crash a Boeing 727 into the WTC via remote control and blaming foreign terrorists in the hopes of generating a bigger military budget.



Passenger lists for flights 175,11,77,and 93 are on CNN's web site www.cnn.com

The Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory is 10 miles north of Manhattan and does world wide seismographical recording . Won-Young Kim the scientist in charge there was quoted in the Sept.12,2001 NY Times saying that the sensors were registering
more than just the force of falling concrete during the collapses of tower #1 & #2 .

There's a thought provoking thermodynamic study on the internet .
http://guardion.150m.com/how-hot.htm

Gerald Holmgren's fabulous Manifesto is on the internet :
http://911-strike.com/debunking.htm

Powerful discourse DelT . You've raised new questions and reminded us that we weren't paying attention to even page one of the newspapers early on .

I myself failed to see the foolishness in the claim that Mohammad Atta's passport survived that gigantic fireball which completely consumed the plane but not Atta's paper and Naugahyde passport . All these things were briefly in the news including the Colorado crash .

The corporate controlled press only gives pro Project for a New American Century propaganda significant exposure .

The implosion of building #7 was their biggest mistake . George Bush will be eventually tried for treason and become the first American president to be imprisoned.


Well said DelT . I could add that Bush/Rove's repugnant Patriot Act is equivalent to the March 23,1933 Enabling Act of Hitler . Furthermore The Bush junta's double crossing of Al Qaeda is much like Hitler's double crossing of Russia with whom Germany had a non aggression pact early in WW II .

Al Qaeda we should remember was created by Zbignew Brzezinski and the C.I.A. in 1979 to inflame the passions of the Mujaheddin as well as central Asian Muslims to destabilize the Soviet Union .

Now , fast forward to 2001 and there's Bush's barbaric Mafia doing the frame up job against Al Qaeda by successfully having Al Qaeda blamed for the Sept. 11 , 2001 attacks .One Carol Brouillet has said that Bush should be sued for plagiarism as he is following the Hitler script so carefully .


Here we are in spring 2004 . What has now evolved is at least four branches of persuasion about Sept 11 ,2001 .

1) those who see that - just many outside the US said from the git-go - The 911 attacks were of course carried out by the U.S. and Israel with the aim of blaming Arabs. Eventually
everyone will be in this group .

2) those who are convinced that foreign radicals staged the attacks and that Bush and and his anchorpersons (Shouldn't leave Condoleezza out) knew ahead of time but just sort of let it happen .

3) those who are convinced that foreign radicals staged the attacks and that everyone was caught by surprise . This group actually thinks that the U.S. government would have stopped the attacks had they known what was brewing .


4) Insanely there are those that actually believe that the attacks were carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they "hate our freedoms " - even though their practical training had allegedly been limited to Cessnas and flight simulators . George Bush - these numskulls say - is our hero in that he wants to attack 90 nations -all people of color of course-to make the world safer .
This group also thinks that the U.S. government would have stopped the attacks had they known what was brewing .

Here we are in spring 2004 . What has now evolved is at least four branches of persuasion about Sept 11 ,2001 .

1) those who see that - just many outside the US said from the git-go - The 911 attacks were of course carried out by the U.S. and Israel with the aim of blaming Arabs. Eventually
everyone will be in this group .

The US and Israel planned it with aim of blaming arabs, throwing american and israeli and global economy in a deep hole, starting a war costing america billions a month, they planned it with the aim of killing 3000 americans, thousands of iraqis - military and civilian, etc. And all for what? 1) gain access to oil (theft) 2) capture the whole world 3) let pro-administration businessmen make a few bucks 4) all done because Bush is really stupid and doesnt know what he does

Yes eventually when everybody will be crazy, they will join this group.

2) those who are convinced that foreign radicals staged the attacks and that Bush and and his anchorpersons (Shouldn't leave Condoleezza out) knew ahead of time but just sort of let it happen .

"Condy, what are these guys doing?"
"They are going to fly into the Twin Towers, Mr. President. You want us to stop them?"
"No, it's alright. (????)"

Good theory.

3) those who are convinced that foreign radicals staged the attacks and that everyone was caught by surprise . This group actually thinks that the U.S. government would have stopped the attacks had they known what was brewing .

Such idiots, arent they?

4) Insanely there are those that actually believe that the attacks were carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they "hate our freedoms " - even though their practical training had allegedly been limited to Cessnas and flight simulators . George Bush - these numskulls say - is our hero in that he wants to attack 90 nations -all people of color of course-to make the world safer .
This group also thinks that the U.S. government would have stopped the attacks had they known what was brewing .

Hmmmmm.... By the way, which group are you in?

Don't bother trying to argue with these people Juko. They'll believe any assinine conspiracy theory that supports their political views.

This might possibly be the funniest thing Ive ever read .



You were'nt serious........were you?

Besides, everyone knows Elvis piloted the second plane. Its common knowledge.

Great post DelT. America fell for this murderous false -flag
operation 911 like a quadrillion tons of bricks.

Uncle Sam has killed his private citizens before in order to jump start wars . Remember the Lucitania in 1915 . The liner was painted and armed as a war ship ,and in- intentionally navigated at slow speed without escort into waters where U-boat
torpedo attack was almost certain . The passengers were dispensable hostageswho met their doom . Of the 700 or so passengers 259 were private US citizens .
Germany was willing to end the Great war evenhanded for France and Great Briton .
"Yellow journalism" sanguine patriotic lies and jingoism followed . Poor men died to make rich men richer. Much of today's problems can be traced to the US joining World War I .

I also fell for that 19 Arab hijacker juvenile fairy tale . Maybe more ridiculous than Mohammed Atta's indestructible passport story is the fact that the media almost
immediately claimed to know which four of the 19 Arab hijackers piloted flights 11,175,93 ,and 77. In all four cases only one person ( not the two that it actually takes to fly Boeing 757's and 767's) were named .





response to whidden post 5-15-2004 05:59 PM
I hope whidden sees this.

Your statement about paper not burning would apply I suppose to loose paper at the peripheries of the blast . Scarcely would your statement alloy to paper inside the plane in someone's pocket,briefcase,or carry on bag . Remember ,you people are saying that the plane containing aluminum titanium alloys that have melting points higher than steel was vaporized by the blast . It takes a war head to produce the kind of fireball we saw . You really need to read http://911-strike.com/debunking.htm .
There were no pockets,briefcases,or carry on bags or passports on any of those planes, noMohammed Atta either . What we saw was a drone Global Hawk painted up to look
like a United 767 . Page A8 of the Sept 12,2001 New York Times shows the Global Hawk flying toward the 207'x207' WTC tower . A real 767 has a wing span of 157 feet meaning that at that distance the wing span should appear in that photo wider than WTC South tower . It doesn't come close .


I see ya there Whoop. Thanks for sharing.

I got a question for ya. How did the government get all the dead passengers from the flight onto that Global hawk drone painted like a 767?

Or did Bush give the order to have all those folks rounded up and killed by the Cia?

Or are all the family members of the victims of the planes just lying?

What really makes me angry is that US law enforcement had the murderous beasts that more than likely planted the detonation devices(plastic explosives) in the WTC towers as well as Bldg.#7 posing as Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken,NJ
They were the laughing ,dancing Israelis that everyone heard so much about early on.They were arrested and detained after neighbors complained about their celebration of the WTC attacks The group's effective spokesman,one Paul Kurzberg failed lie
detector tests on successive days .These guys probably were Mossad agents . Attorney General John Ashcroft intervened and secured their immediate release and deportation on minor immigration charges .(New York Times:Nov21,2002;Jerusalem Times:Oct26,2001) Ashcroft had these criminals released yet today the US has hundreds of absolutely innocent men detained indefinitely at Guantanamo Bay against laws dating back to the Magna Charta. This is outrageously savage,cruel,and evil. America has allowed 911 to take away it's humanity.


What really makes me angry is that US law enforcement had the murderous beasts that more than likely planted the detonation devices(plastic explosives) in the WTC towers as well as Bldg.#7 posing as Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken,NJ

Fascinating. Too bad there's no evidence whatsoever that those men where ever inside the WTC.

They were the laughing ,dancing Israelis that everyone heard so much about early on.They were arrested and detained after neighbors complained about their celebration of the WTC attacks

Not "neighbors." It was one woman who has never given her full name, and she claims she saw them "laughing and smiling," not "dancing."

The group's effective spokesman,one Paul Kurzberg failed lie
detector tests on successive days .

He didn't fail a lie detector test on the issue of foreknowledge or involvement in 9/11.

These guys probably were Mossad agents .

Some FBI officials apaprently believe that they were, and some do not. None believe they were involved in 9/11 except as onlookers.

Attorney General John Ashcroft intervened and secured their immediate release and deportation on minor immigration charges .(New York Times:Nov21,2002;Jerusalem Times:Oct26,2001) Ashcroft had these criminals released yet today the US has hundreds of absolutely innocent men detained indefinitely at Guantanamo Bay against laws dating back to the Magna Charta. This is outrageously savage,cruel,and evil. America has allowed 911 to take away it's humanity.

Blah blah blah.

Here's a complete account of the story from ABC news:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020...van_020621.html

Critical excerpt:

"Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11."

Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro noted.

As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack on the Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to the parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.

While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."

- woolfe

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The bodies ? Right now I'm visualizing General Richard B.Meyers spilling his guts on that subject during a Nuremburg like trial with the world watching on the tube . Hopefully the passengers didn't get the Jimmy Hoffa treatment (boiling nitric acid with potassium permanganate) .The corporate controlled media did briefly present us with the image of caskets lined up on the pentagon lawn.

Again : you need to read http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm

One thing we know is, that a lot went on while a shocked nation watched an aircraft hit the WTC south tower about 75 to 100 times .General Meyers watched TV coverage along side
Senator Max Cleland (American Forces Press Service,23 Oct.2001 article by Sergeant Ist Class Kathleen Rhem) Gen Meyers didn't even pick up the phone and call NORAD chief Gen. Ralph Eberhart until the Pentagon had been hit .This was totally against NORAD S.O.P which was followed in the case of the
Payne Stewart mishap. NORAD as you probably know had Stewart's Lear Jet scrambled in 20 minutes.

There was a disturbing preponderance of aeronautical engineers including some that specialized in remote control flight on flight 77 . Shades of John Doe #2 of Oklahoma City fame? Kill off some of the guys that helped plan the thing?

Somehow Offutt Air Force Base near Omaha is suspect . Warren Buffett(the second richest man on the planet) who I think I read somewhere has some connection with the company that makes the Global Hawk , Ann Tatlock(the CEO of Fiduciary Trust Co. International who works in the World Trade Center and not only that, but her offices were right where an aircraft crashed into the WTC 2 ,and George W. Bush all ended up there
on Sept 11,2001.Does this smack of a homing device in Tatlock's office?

Time will tell .










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Reply to woolfe99's comments about post of slikick444



The Zionist owned ABC News20/20 , June 21,2001 report was a bit of a whitewash . You are correct in saying that there was only one person in the neighborhood where the Urban Moving Systems business was located that called police .. Bergen Record (New Jersey). September 12, 2001:Paolo Lima author gives a more thorough account . The dancing celebrating movers got in the van and drove 5 miles away to a parking lot and resumed their merrymaking . There others complained.

But ,that's not what's important . What's important is that if a man steals an orange at the corner market and is arrested ,and local law enforcement gets a call from the Attorney General of the United States with orders to release him,I'm getting suspicious and so should you . In addition to their outrageous and highly questionable behavior, the five Israeli movers also had in their possession the following items: box-cutters European passports, and $4700 cash hidden in a sock. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.


Jewish Week. November 2, 2001. Stewart Ain (author) is a nother good article .





The Zionist owned ABC News20/20 ,



June 21,2001 report was a bit of a whitewash . You are correct in saying that there was only one person in the neighborhood where the Urban Moving Systems business was located that called police .. Bergen Record (New Jersey). September 12, 2001:Paolo Lima author gives a more thorough account . The dancing celebrating movers got in the van and drove 5 miles away to a parking lot and resumed their merrymaking . There others complained.

I have checked the Bergen Record article, written the day after the incident, and I do not see any reference to dancing ("jumping up and down") nor do I see any reference to them having moved from the initial site and spotted by other people. The article appears confused about who did or did not spot these people, probably because of when it was written. A woman saw them on the top of the building that had their office filiming the event and engaging in behavior that she interpreted as celebration. The article also sites unnamed sources saying that they found maps in the van and that they thought it looked suspicious, like the men may have had a connection. Those "sources," whoever they are, were reporting initial hunches made prior to the extensive investigation that took place.

As for this so-called celebrating, anyone who is bright enough to pull off this kind of attack is not going to stand up in public filming the event and visibly celebrating. Give me a break.

But ,that's not what's important . What's important is that if a man steals an orange at the corner market and is arrested ,and local law enforcement gets a call from the Attorney General of the United States with orders to release him,I'm getting suspicious and so should you .

Yes, it's suspicious, but it's a question of WHAT it's suspicious OF. The AG has no jurisdiction over "stealing oranges" and other state law crimes. When a foreign embassy is involved, as the Israeli embassy is here, and there are accusations of espionage, the AG does get involved.

In addition to their outrageous and highly questionable behavior, the five Israeli movers also had in their possession the following items: box-cutters

They were either running a moving company or using one as a front. Movers use box cutters.

European passports, and $4700 cash hidden in a sock.

Yes, suspicious, but suspicious that they had foreknowledge of 9/11?

Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.

OK, take a deep breath. Let's use our heads for a moment here. Bomb sniffing dogs are an initial screening for bomb materials or residue, not a scientific test. These men were in detention for 71 days. Their persons, vehicle, offices and residences were thoroughly searched. They were investigated with the specific purpose of determining whether they were connected to 9/11. There are very precise scientific tests that can be run to determine whether there is bomb residue present. If the dogs barked, or even if the HADN'T barked, it is 100% certain that the van was tested for such residue.

I have read about a dozen articles on this now, including several from conspiracy websites that have their own slant.

My opinion of these men is that it's possible that they were here on an Israeli intelligence mission. The Mossad has cells in 3 dozens countries whose purpose is to track the activities of Islamic terrorist groups. Everything in these articles is entirely consistent with that having been the case. As far as them having a connection to 9/11, it's weak, very weak.

Here's a good article posted on a conspiracy website. The author is suspicious of the men as Israeli spies, not 9/11 conspirators. Apparently the conspiracy readers didn't closely check it:

http://www.911review.org/Wget/www.c...ward031502.html

- woolfe

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It took several tries to get back in to Inreview.com this time.



You're obviously struggling to misunderstand or pretend to not understand what is being said here . This is a good sign that you are beginning to face reality at least sub-consciously
(sort of a defense mechanism our minds have).

You seem to be squirming in hopes of clouding the intent of every point . The orange example was an illustration .If a man gets arrested ,and local law enforcement gets a call from the
Attorney General of the United States with orders to release him,I'm getting suspicious and so should you .

I never said that the Bergan Record article said that the 5 Israelis were dancing and celebrating .I simply used that phase in aforementionment- to identify the group being discussed . You are grasping for straws.

I'm sure the Mossad want people to think that they are tracking Arab terrorists . A more accurate characterization is infiltration and false flag operations posing as Arabs . Remember that the official motto of the Mossad is "by way of deception thou shalt do war."

In 1955, one of these "false flag" operations was publicly exposed for the world to see. Israeli agents, impersonating Arab terrorists, were caught staging a series of bombings against American installations in Egypt. When this conspiracy was exposed, it ultimately created such a controversy that it brought down the Israeli government. The long since forgotten scandal became known as "the Lavon Affair".


another reply to woolfe99


It took several tries to get back in to Inreview.com this time.



You're obviously struggling to misunderstand or pretend to not understand what is being said here . This is a good sign that you are beginning to face reality at least sub-consciously
(sort of a defense mechanism our minds have).

You seem to be squirming in hopes of clouding the intent of every point . The orange example was an illustration .If a man gets arrested ,and local law enforcement gets a call from the
Attorney General of the United States with orders to release him,I'm getting suspicious and so should you .

I never said that the Bergan Record article said that the 5 Israelis were dancing and celebrating .
I simply used that phase in aforementionment- to identify the group being discussed . You are grasping for straws.

I'm sure the Mossad want people to think that they are tracking Arab terrorists .A more accurate characterization is infiltration and false flag operations posing as Arabs .Remember that the official motto of the Mossad is "by way of deception thou shalt do war."

In 1955, one of these "false flag" operations was publicly exposed for the world to see. Israeli agents, impersonating Arab terrorists, were caught staging a series of bombings against American installations in Egypt.
When this conspiracy was exposed, it ultimately created such a controversy that it brought down the Israeli government. The long since forgotten scandal became known as "the Lavon Affair".


another reply to woolfe99


It took several tries to get back in to Inreview.com this time.



You're obviously struggling to misunderstand or pretend to not understand what is being said here . This is a good sign that you are beginning to face reality at least sub-consciously
(sort of a defense mechanism our minds have).

You seem to be squirming in hopes of clouding the intent of every point . The orange example was an illustration .If a man gets arrested ,and local law enforcement gets a call from the
Attorney General of the United States with orders to release him,I'm getting suspicious and so should you .

I never said that the Bergan Record article said that the 5 Israelis were dancing and celebrating . I simply used that phase in aforementionment- to identify the group being discussed . You are grasping for straws.

I'm sure the Mossad want people to think that they are tracking Arab terrorists .A more accurate characterization is infiltration and false flag operations posing as Arabs .Remember that the official motto of the Mossad is "by way of deception thou shalt do war."

In 1955, one of these "false flag" operations was publicly exposed for the world to see. Israeli agents, impersonating Arab terrorists, were caught staging a series of bombings against American installations in Egypt. When this conspiracy was exposed, it ultimately created such a controversy that it brought down the Israeli government. The long since forgotten scandal became known as "the Lavon Affair".


I have felt compelled to join Inreview.com from hearing about and reading this as it's called here "thread."

Let me add that I- from the start- bought this utterly ridiculous motley crew of Arabs toting pen knives fable . Secondly , I have read the recommended http://911-strike.com/debunking/htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ctrl/messages/23476 is no slouch either .

My recent reading on this painful subject:the Mossad false flag"Lucitania 2001" operation made me want to add a point or two to this discussion as well as ask a question or two .

Apparently Warren Buffett has controlling interest in the Mitre Corporation [a privately owned corporation] which is heavily into UAVs[snip]and has been supporting USSTRATCOM[snip] at Offutt AFB for DARPA [snip]

Both DARPA and USSTRATCOM seem to be more or less headquartered at Offutt AFB . "W" claims that his visit to Offutt on Sept 11, 2001 was to make sure that no one messed with the secret codes pertaining to the E-4B aircraft(maintained at Offutt AFB) which just happens to be the dooms day war room plane which is one of the places where the infamous thermonuclear presidential button is located .Personally my
gut feeling is that"W" went to Offutt to thank Buffet for a job well done and assure him that a quiet bank transfer has been made to Berkshire Hathaway .


DARPA has long since developed technology and aviation navigation software backdoors to take over Boeing 757s and 767s while in flight and forcing them to change direction
and land at a specified airport . This is to foil hijackings .This is not true of 737s,777s , Airbus A340s,DC9s or Fokker100s .


This explains why none of the aircraft sent a special "I have been hijacked" transponder code, despite multiple activation points on all four aircraft. The Cockpit Voice Recorders from flights 93 and 77 were recovered and were blank .As Gerald Holgrem said in http://911-strike.com/debunking/htm
in the absence of any evidence to the contrary,the simplest explanation is most likely correct.The planes were taken over electronically from the ground once the flight control system has been taken over from the ground , the Cockpit Voice Recorders are by passed and voice transmissions are no longer recorded on the 30-minute endless loop recording tape. If a flight control system take over from the ground is active for more than thirty minutes, there will therefore be no audible data on the Cockpit Voice Recorders. To date, crash investigators have recovered the Cockpit Voice Recorders from the Pentagon and Pittsburgh
aircraft, and publicly confirmed that both are completely blank. The only possible reason for this, is data capture by an on ground take over , providing the final hard proof that the attack aircraft were hijacked electronically from the ground,rather than by Cessna Piper Cub pupil Arab radicals. This adds some validity
to reports that flight crews on United 797,United 1523,American 1060 , the infamous Execujet 956 as well as ground controllers at Cleveland Center heard screams .

Hauntingly whoop45's assertion that there a suspicious plurality of Boeing aeronautical engineers on flight 77 appears to be correct. Add to this that Carl Hammond 37 was a passenger on United flight 175 and was a physicists for Warren Buffett's
Mitre Corp . Our friend Mr. Buffett also heads the aforementioned Berkshire Hathaway : another DARPA NSA,CIA,USSTRATCOM front for the sale of remotely controlled pseudo-terrorism.

Buffett remains in the picture in that there is far too much chatter saying that Execujet 956 (owned by Buffett)was trailing flight 93 just before it's crash .Take note that American flight 1060 had visual contact with flight 93 with the bloom of black smoke as it came into being .Some wildly theorize that Execujet 956 may have shot down flight 93 .

Maybe whoop45 can explain where the passengers from flights 11 and 175 ended up : Colorado ? Flight 93 ? We know a couple of things : the four flights combined for so few passengers that all could have fit on flight 93. The transponderless highly modified RQ-4A/Global Hawks(Buffett,Mitre Corp.) fitted with warheads took over the flight 11/175 routes and we all stopped thinking and reasoning for a period of time starting their collisions with the WTC towers .

Flight 77 is a story for another day.




The hogwash of this thread doesn't even deserve a response except to say, YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANE!

No fewer than nine of the 19 who were named by the Zionist and Corporate controlled media came forward in the days following Sept.11,2001 and let it be known that they were still very much alive . In light of this , it is obvious that American people were and still are being lied to . Ron Ackerman apparently sees no problem with this . But , according to Ron Ackerman certain posters on this thread who do , are insane .



Well, when Atta was here and I saw his face on several occasions in the building, then I know that they're regular students and then I try to talk to them, it's kind of a PR - where are you from… I tried to communicate with him. I found out from my people that he lived in Hamburg and he spoke German so
one of the days that I saw him, I speak German myself, I'm a Dutch citizen, and I started in the morning telling him in German, "Good morning. How are you? How do you like the coffee? Are you happy here?", and he looked at me with cold eyes, didn't react at all and walked away. That was one of my first meetings I had.

This is eerily similar to the way in which Zacharias Moussaoui (the so-called "20th hijacker) became belligerent when his Minnesota flight instructor tried to speak to him in French (his first language), at the beginning of that course. The Minnesota Star Tribune reported onDecember 21, 2001: Zacharias Moussaoui caused suspicion when, during a simple introductory exchange, he said he was from France, but then didn't seem to
understand when the instructor spoke French to him. Moussaoui then became belligerent and evasive about his background.

The fake trainee Mohammed Atta couldn't speak German.(ABC Channel 4. (Florida). A Mission To Die For. Rudi Dekkers interviewed by Quentin McDermott. ) The fake Moussauri a French Algerian couldn't spaek French.


jet fuel which is basically kerosene , and which burns at a maximum temperature of around 800 C has suddenly taken on the qualities of a ferociously explosive demolition agent, vaporizing 65 tons of aircraft into a puff of smoke. Never mind that a plane of that size contains around 15 tons of steel and titanium, of which even the melting points are about double that of the maximum combustion temperature of kerosene - let alone the boiling point - which is what would be required to vaporizer a plane. And then there's about 50 tons of aluminum to be accounted for. In excess of 15 lb. of metal for each gallon of kerosene. Thermodynamics were I suppose suspended on September the 11th . Ron Ackerman apparently sees no problem with this But according to Ron Ackerman certain posters on this thread who do , are insane .



the foolishness in the claim that Mohammed Atta's
passport survived that gigantic fireball which completely consumed the plane but not Atta's paper and naugahyde passport . Ron Ackerman apparently sees no problem with this But according to our friend Ron Ackerman certain posters on this thread who do , are insane



Turning attention to flight 77 :

Can anyone explain how a Boeing 14.9 yards high, 51.7 yards long,with a wingspan of 41.6 yards and a cockpit 3.8 yards high, could crash into just the ground floor of this building ? In other words a three story plane fitting into a two story hole . The wings of the 757 not only failed to as much as break any windows but also failed to even as much as leave a visible welt on the building. The front lawn showed no scorching or visible physical damage . The lawn remains just as flawless as it was before the crash . Ron Ackerman apparently sees no problem with this . But according to Ron Ackerman certain posters on this thread are insane .


The coup de grace in this entire discussion is the fact that the wheel pictured on www.pentagon.gov claimed by the pentagon to be the wheel of a Boeing 757 does not match photos of a genuine 757 wheel . Ron Ackerman apparently sees no problem with this But , according to Ron Ackerman certain posters on this thread who do , are insane



The flight crew has only to punch in a four digit code to alert ground control to a hijacking. There are several locations throughout 757s and 767s . None of the flight crews on any of the four flights 11 , 175 , 93 ,or 77 pushed any of those the buttons . The fake bomb on board; calls is what started the media's planting the idea of hijackers into the minds of the American public .Ron Ackerman apparently sees no problem with this yet according to him certain posters on this thread who do , are insane




It's impossible to pay for a flight with a credit card in one name and board that flight under a different name for crying out loud !!!!!! Again ,there were no Arabs listed on any of the four passenger lists. A man named Manlius Neal cannot steal
the identity of a man named Donald Tatman ; hold credit cards drivers licenses etc. . with photos of Manlius Neal but Donald Tatman's S.S.N. address etc. , go up to the counter at an airport , buy a ticket for a flight with those stolen I.D.s and
board that flight under yet a third name (neither Manlius Neal nor Donald Tatman) .

Ron Ackerman apparently sees no problem in this . Ron Ackerman however states that certain posters on this thread who do , are insane .




When normal NORAD S.O.P. is followed flight 11 would have been scrambled just as quickly as Payne Stewart's Lear Jet . Flights 175,93,and 77 were have been scrambled in world record time .No NORAD assigned jets left ground until the Pentagon was hit .Ron Ackerman apparently has no problem with this . Ron Ackerman however states that certain posters on this thread who do , are insane .





Flight 93 had two crash sights separated by several miles .Ron Ackerman apparently has no problem with this .But according to Ron Ackerman certain posters on this thread who do , are insane

Hani Hanjour, aerobatics jet pilot? had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Yet according to the ridiculous reports fed the American people Hanjour piloting this huge Boeing 757 alone mind you not with a co-pilot performed world class level stunt flying .The slender, soft-spoken Hanjour showed absolutely astonishing arm strength in holding the control yoke in order to dive and bank in the manner that it was claimed he did . I doubt if there are 25 men on earth strong enough to perform such a feat of strength . Ron Ackerman apparently has no problem with this . But according to Ron Ackerman certain posters on this thread who do , are insane

All Americans should refuse to accept the idea that all laws of gravitation , thermodynamics , the entropy principle , all laws of geometry , the first law of thermodynamics , the axiom stating that two solid objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time , all standard operational procedures of flight crews ,NORAD, air traffic control were somehow suspended on Sept. 11, 2001 !!. All Americans should not be coaxed into forgetting all the plane crashes that we have seen footage of or print media reports of with visible remains of the fuselage ,and flight recorder tapes that were not blank . Planes don't vaporize into nothing when they crash . Nor do they put out gigantic fireballs expanding in all directions such as we all saw with flight 175 . It takes a war head to produce what we saw . On October 4 ,1992 a jumbo jet flew into a building . Do the simple goggle search . Type in "flight 1862 ."


757 Wheels

http://www.miplanet.net/757.jpg

reply to Ron Ackerman








It was not by any stretch of the imagination only names that were stolen ,rather unmistakable identities of specific individuals .We're taking credit card nos. I.D. numbers ,birth dates ,place of birth occupation ,addresses ,their very biographies.The individuals whose identities were stolen recognized themselves just as you or I would .
These are the individuals nine of them that came forward to save their reputations by saying the very fact that we are alive proves they weren't guilty as accused .

There are numerous media reports that some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Hijack "suspects" alive and well. BBC News. Sept. 23, 2001 001http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
7 of 19 FBI identified hijackers located after WTC attacks. by Dick Fojut March 4 2002
http://www.rense.com/general20/alives.htm
http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/.../afgwar-die.htm Still alive? FBI mixed up
true identities of perpetrators. by Christopher J. Petherick American Free Press.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_12_01/STILL_ALIVE__ FBI_Mixed_Up_on_T/still_alive__

fbi_mixed_up_on_t.html Seven of the WTC hijackers found alive!
http://propagandamatrix.com/seven_o...ound_alive.html Tracking the 19 hijackers.
What are they up to now? At least 9 of them survived 9/11.
<www.welfarestate.com/911/>http://www.welfarestate.com/911/
Six men identified by FBI as dead hijackers are still alive. By Syed Adeeb.
http://truedemocracy.net/td4/24s-c-6men.html Banks enlisted in trailing terrorists.
Albuquerque Tribune http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/new...ews_trail.shtml
Revealed: The men with stolen identities. UK Telegraph news. By David Harrison.
Sept 23 2001.
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/n.../23/widen23.xml
Alleged hijackers alive and well. World messenger http://www.worldmessenger.
20m.com/alive.html
Doubts emerge over identities of hijackers in US attacks. Islam online Sept 20.
2001.




The flashpoint of jet fuel is immaterial to this argument . What is pertinent is that a Boeing 767 has a maximal range of 7600 miles and would not be carrying any more than 10,000 gallons of fuel for Boston to San Francisco . It's thermodynamically impossible for that amount of fuel under the most ideal conditions to raise the temperature of the steel structures of the WTC tower any higher than 400-500 degrees Fahrenheit . Steel softens at 1100 degrees . I would think that you would understand that materials have specific amounts of calories that it takes to change them from solid to liquid . No reasonably transportable amount of jet fuel has enough BTUs to raise the temperature of steel to 1100-1300 degrees F .
What part of impossible is it that you don't understand ??

The black smoke that we all saw coming from the towers on that fateful day betrayed the fact that it was a relatively cool oxygen starved fire. It's absurd to think that any of the buildings would crumble neatly in their own footprints because of fire .The WTC towers and Bldg. #7 were imploded by controlled detonations .Check out http://guardion.150m.com/wtc/how-hot.htm for the best brief treatment I have seen on this subject .




The fact remains that as far as the WTC crashes are concerned there was plenty debris from the towers but nothing from the planes except Mohammed Atta's passport.
The passport by the way was not actually found by searchers but handed to law enforcement by someone blocks away who said that they found it . As I have said before , a
passport would be in a carry on bag ,an inner pocket and wouldn't be scattered by the explosion such as loose papers at the periphery of the blast would be .



You kept asking me have I ever seen certain things. The question should be : have you ever seen a Boeing 757 ?One doesn't fit in a 25x40 foot hole . They are 3 stories without the wheels. Remember that during flight , the wheels are folded up into the body. It's impossible for one man who flunked his Cessna 172 training to dive this jumbo jet 7000 feet in the final two minutes make a world class 270 degree stunt bank just as the aircraft dips below radar and fly a Boeing 757 into the 2nd story of the Pentagon leaving a hole much smaller than the aircraft, not disturb the trees ,the electric or phone lines not scorch the front lawn and miraculously do so without the 157 foot wings leaving a visible welt or even as much as breaking any windows . What part of impossible is it that you don't understand ? A missile probably fired from the front
lawn hit the Pentagon . The red fireball was the wrong color for jet fuel.I'm open to the idea that a commuter sized war headed drone such as the Ra job(Hawker Horizon) zeroing in on a homing device in the basement of the third level entered the then even smaller hole created by the cruise missile
and penetrated to the basement of the third level. Several eye witnesses say they saw an executive sized jet .Remember that the area struck was a deserted wing of the Pentagon under reconstruction , as far away from Rumsfeld as geometrically possible . Rumsfeld , by the way , made a slip of the tongue
in saying that the Pentagon was hit by a missile. All the photos that the public sees were taken after a 68 foot section of the Pentagon roof collapsed .

Rumsfeld's was not the only slip of the tongue from the Bush junta . "W" himself made a pretty good one if you ask me while at Booker Elementary school when he said that he has already seen video footage of the first plane striking the WTC tower . As we know , no video of the first strike on 911 (taken by a
non press related individual with his own camera)was shown on TV until the next day.

I'll see if I can attach JPEGs of the wheels






Table of aircraft
Flight 11Boeing 767Boston Logan81 passengers, 11 crew
Flight 175Boeing 767Boston Logan56 passengers, 9 crew
Flight 77Boeing 757Wash. Dulles58 passengers, 6 crew
Flight 93Boeing 757Newark Intn'l30 passengers, 7 crew

So you are saying that all 33 crew members were killed with these box cutters before anyone on any of the four flights could type out the 4 digit "we are being hijacked code" . Almost impossible - a good 10,000 to 1 odds .Not as absolutely
impossible as building #7 disintegrating and crumbling into it's own foot print because of internal office fires only in the Securities Exchange Commission which were not even hot enough to break the windows - but just about impossible .

Speaking of being killed : notice how empty these flights were in a era of overbooking and full flights . All would fit into Flight 93. I strongly suspect that's where the passengers from
all four flights ended up .







You tried to imply that all of the fictitious hijackers paid cash . The Bush-Cheney scenario urges that 9 of nineteen used credit cards not only to buy tickets but also to rent cars . Who ever set this part of the operation up made sure that there were
plenty receipts, Koran's, flight instruction manuals ,diary notes and what not conspicuously left in the rented cars to aid in brainwashing the public with exaggeratedly obvious false planted evidence . They of course don't want us to notice that there were no Arab sounding names on the passenger lists of any of the four flights .




Your attempt to explain away the obvious NORAD stand-down was a hoot . A testament to the hopelessness of your all your 911 arguments . NORAD has a specific S.O.P.
for commercial aircraft that stray off flight plan and cut off their transponders . First - keep in mind that NORAD had no problem finding Payne Stewart's Lear jet with - as you said - 3000 or more aircraft in the air over the US . There was no reason for anyone to have been thinking about shooting any aircraft down at 8:20 AM when AA11 cut off its transponder .
If just basic NORAD S.O.P. had been followed there would have been two jets flying right beside AA11 well west of anybody's New York City !! One fighter jet flies ahead of the wayward aircraft and tips the right wing . The pilot of the wayward aircraft would tip his right wing signaling that he is OK but has a technical problem and will follow the fighter jet to safety . The crew of the scrambler jets would have noticed well ahead of time that it wasn't a 767 with tail number N334 .
AA . A switch had been made. They would have seen plainly that it was a commuter sized drone The whole history of Sept. 11,2001 would have been radically different . A stand-down of this magnitude could only come from the joint chiefs of staff level of the US military .




So you have seen only one crash site for flight 93 .
If you have seen only one it's because you have you eyes closed and fingers in both ears when matters concerning the 911 attacks are being considered. Loads of testimony
from Pennsylvania State Patrol as well as Shanksville residents attest to this fact. Try these for starters .
http://post-gazette.com/headlines/2...3somersetp3.asp
http://www.eastandard.net/eahome/story15092001004.htm
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/emer...res/091201f.htm
www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#final



All Americans should refuse to accept the idea that all laws of gravitation ,thermodynamics ,the entropy principle , all laws of geometry ,the first law of thermodynamics , the axiom stating that two solid objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time , all standard operational procedures of flight crews ,
NORAD , air traffic control were somehow suspended on Sept. 11, 2001 !!

gravitation :The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling object, dropped from that height, meaning that its physically impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower floors. There would be time consumed by each layer of steel resisting 911 scenario
the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of Sept. 11.


entropy :When I was at school there was a little thing called
the entropy law which suggests that a given portion of fuel can only burn once .
According to the ridiculous Bush-Cheney 911 scenario this jet fuel exploded into a gigantic fireball (impossible)and then recreated itself to burn even hotter that it is t
hermodynamically capable of .

first law of thermodynamics : Energy can be neither created nor destroyed . Again the jet fuel cannot impart more BTUs of heating energy to the steel than it has stored in its bonds. Nor , can the jet fuel be consumed by a giant fireball an still have sufficient BTUs to heat steel well beyond the jet fuel's maximal temp.

two solid object occupying the same space : Hole before collapse of 68 foot section of Pentagon roof was far too small for Boeing 757 to have passed through .





All Americans should not be coaxed into forgetting all the plane crashes that we have seen video footage of or print media reports of with visible remains of the fuselage ,and flight
recorder tapes that were not blank . Just think how many times throughout our lives that we have seen reports depicting crashed aircraft being reconstructed in hangers for investigative purposes . And,why are you not questioning why the Sept 11,2001 crashes aren't being investigated beyond this
red herring intelligence folly . Planes don't vaporize into nothing when they crash . Nor do planes explode into gigantic fireballs expanding in all directions such as we all saw with flight whateverwas substituted for flight 175.




Goggle is not a big word ,just a big number .Flight 1862 ( 10-4-1992) is a prime example of the kind of damage the wings of an aircraft do to a building . Keep in mind that 757s carry a lot of the fuel in the wings .If the wings of flight 77 folded
along side the plane then they would be intact . The pentagon would be showing photos which include the wings . The wings would have to have hit the sides of the Pentagon in
order to become folded . The Bush Cheney scenario is utterly ridiculous in this respect in that there are no visible welts nor broken windows. What part of impossible is it that
you don't understand ?






wheels don't match

757 wheels

The look the same to me

By the way I have seen a normal fire weaken steel to cause a structure collapse. Ask any fire fighter.

Anyway I respectfully disagree with you.

God's pronouncement against George W. Bush is the capturing of the crash of the drone that hit the North tower of the WTC on high quality video tape.. This has come to be dubbed as the fireman's video .

The story of the 'Fireman's Video' is well publicized. Two French filmmakers, the Naudet Brothers, were in New York on September 11 making a documentary about the New York Fire Service. The footage shows that, while filming along Canal
Street, firemen and crew are distracted by a plane flying low overhead. The camera operator instinctively turns his camera towards the North Tower and, for little more than a second or so, we get a clear view of the plane crashing into the tower. It is a precious, priceless second.

It is this one-second of video that will start that people's movement in the US that will land George W. Bush in prison where he belongs ; along with Dick Cheney,Donald Rumsfeld , Tom Ridge ,Gale Norton, John Ashcroft,Colin Powell ,Andy Card, Condoleezza Rice , Karl Rove , Robert Mueller , Lewis Libby , Paul Wolfowitz,Eliot Abrams,John
Poindexter , John Bolton , Richard Perle , Randy Scheunemann , Bruce Jackson , Douglas Feith (or Fieth), William Kristol , Bob Graham, Rep. Porter Goss , John Kyl and others .

Only the American people can now stop the imminent slaughter of people of color world wide and the imposition of a global fascist police state which will benefit the wealthy investors in global capitalism exclusively . But , alas the American people are currently sleepwalking toward their own enslavement.

A professional cameraman caught that moment on broadcast-quality tape. This was not unbelievably bad luck for George Bush . It was God's pronouncement against him .

If you've got it on tape I strongly suggest you take another look at it, with the pause and frame-forward buttons at the ready. If you don't have it taped you can purchase the documentary in which it appears on video and DVD. It's
called simply '9/11'. Alternatively, download the Fireman's Video in QuickTime (370 Kb). It's not quite as revealing as a good video or DVD copy played through your TV, but it's good enough to see the action and has useful single frame forward and back buttons.

Now pause the sequence at the beginning and advance it frame by frame. Firstly, look at the plane. Does that look like a Boeing 767 with a wingspan of 157 feet ? Keep in mind that the WTC towers are 207x207 . A Boeing 767 if it were to hit dead center of the building would leave only 25 feet from the
tip of each wing to the edge of the building !! The commuter sized drone which was I suspect either a highly modified transponderless highly modified RQ-4A/Global Hawk or a Ra job(Hawker Horizon) The video clearly reveals that the wing span
is no where close to 157 feet . Obvious also is that the plane doesn't have any engines attached to its wings as can be easily seen if one uses stop action .

Immediately before the plane strikes it fires a missile that blows a hole in the building's facade. This is the cause of that brief flash that is seen in the video just before the drone hits the building . The plane then begins to disappear neatly i
into this hole, leaving no wing impressions. Just before it disappears however it fires two more missiles from somewhere near its tail. One goes to the left, one to the right (and up a bit) and it is the blast holes from these three separate missiles that form the great gash across the building.

How quickly we all were led to forget that all initial reports of this first of the two plane crashes into the WTC towers were that it was a commuter sized jet !!`




You conspiracy theory people just crack me up.

American Airlines Flight 11 provided nonstop service from Boston to Los
Angeles. On September 11, Captain John Ogonowski and First Officer
Thomas McGuinness piloted the Boeing 767. It carried its full capacity of nine
flight attendants. Eighty-one passengers boarded the flight with them (including
the five terrorists).

The plane took off at 7:59. Just before 8:14, it had climbed to 26,000 feet,
not quite its initial assigned cruising altitude of 29,000 feet.All communications
and flight profile data were normal. About this time the "Fasten Seatbelt" sign
would usually have been turned off and the flight attendants would have begun
preparing for cabin service.

At that same time, American 11 had its last routine communication with
the ground when it acknowledged navigational instructions from the FAA’s
air traffic control (ATC) center in Boston. Sixteen seconds after that transmission,
ATC instructed the aircraft’s pilots to climb to 35,000 feet.That message
and all subsequent attempts to contact the flight were not acknowledged.
From this and other evidence, we believe the hijacking began at 8:14 or
shortly thereafter.

Reports from two flight attendants in the coach cabin, Betty Ong and
Madeline "Amy" Sweeney, tell us most of what we know about how the
hijacking happened. As it began, some of the hijackers"most likely Wail al
Shehri and Waleed al Shehri,who were seated in row 2 in first class"stabbed
the two unarmed flight attendants who would have been preparing for cabin
service.

We do not know exactly how the hijackers gained access to the cockpit;
FAA rules required that the doors remain closed and locked during flight.Ong
speculated that they had "jammed their way" in. Perhaps the terrorists stabbed
the flight attendants to get a cockpit key, to force one of them to open the cockpit
door, or to lure the captain or first officer out of the cockpit. Or the flight
attendants may just have been in their way.

At the same time or shortly thereafter, Atta-the only terrorist on board
trained to fly a jet-would have moved to the cockpit from his business-class
seat, possibly accompanied by Omari.As this was happening, passenger Daniel
Lewin, who was seated in the row just behind Atta and Omari,was stabbed by
one of the hijackers-probably Satam al Suqami, who was seated directly
behind Lewin. Lewin had served four years as an officer in the Israeli military.
He may have made an attempt to stop the hijackers in front of him, not realizing
that another was sitting behind him.

The hijackers quickly gained control and sprayed Mace, pepper spray, or
some other irritant in the first-class cabin, in order to force the passengers and
flight attendants toward the rear of the plane.They claimed they had a bomb.28
About five minutes after the hijacking began, Betty Ong contacted the
American Airlines Southeastern Reservations Office in Cary, North Carolina,
via an AT&T airphone to report an emergency aboard the flight.This was the
first of several occasions on 9/11 when flight attendants took action outside
the scope of their training, which emphasized that in a hijacking, they were to
communicate with the cockpit crew.The emergency call lasted approximately
25 minutes, as Ong calmly and professionally relayed information about events
taking place aboard the airplane to authorities on the ground.29
At 8:19, Ong reported:"The cockpit is not answering, somebody’s stabbed
in business class-and I think there’s Mace-that we can’t breathe-I don’t
know, I think we’re getting hijacked." She then told of the stabbings of the two
flight attendants.

At 8:21, one of the American employees receiving Ong’s call in North Carolina,
Nydia Gonzalez, alerted the American Airlines operations center in Fort
Worth,Texas, reaching Craig Marquis, the manager on duty.Marquis soon realized
this was an emergency and instructed the airline’s dispatcher responsible
for the flight to contact the cockpit. At 8:23, the dispatcher tried unsuccessfully
to contact the aircraft. Six minutes later, the air traffic control specialist in American’s
operations center contacted the FAA’s Boston Air Traffic Control Center
about the flight.The center was already aware of the problem.

Boston Center knew of a problem on the flight in part because just before
8:25 the hijackers had attempted to communicate with the passengers. The
microphone was keyed, and immediately one of the hijackers said,"Nobody
move. Everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves, you’ll endanger
yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet."Air traffic controllers heard the transmission;
Ong did not.The hijackers probably did not know how to operate the
cockpit radio communication system correctly, and thus inadvertently broadcast
their message over the air traffic control channel instead of the cabin
public-address channel. Also at 8:25, and again at 8:29, Amy Sweeney got
through to the American Flight Services Office in Boston but was cut off after
she reported someone was hurt aboard the flight.Three minutes later,Sweeney
was reconnected to the office and began relaying updates to the manager,
Michael Woodward.

At 8:26, Ong reported that the plane was "flying erratically." A minute later,
Flight 11 turned south. American also began getting identifications of the
hijackers, as Ong and then Sweeney passed on some of the seat numbers of
those who had gained unauthorized access to the cockpit.

Sweeney calmly reported on her line that the plane had been hijacked; a
man in first class had his throat slashed; two flight attendants had been
stabbed-one was seriously hurt and was on oxygen while the other’s wounds
seemed minor; a doctor had been requested; the flight attendants were unable
to contact the cockpit; and there was a bomb in the cockpit. Sweeney told
Woodward that she and Ong were trying to relay as much information as they
could to people on the ground.

At 8:38, Ong told Gonzalez that the plane was flying erratically again.
Around this time Sweeney told Woodward that the hijackers were Middle Easterners,
naming three of their seat numbers. One spoke very little English and
one spoke excellent English.The hijackers had gained entry to the cockpit,and
she did not know how.The aircraft was in a rapid descent.35
At 8:41, Sweeney told Woodward that passengers in coach were under the
impression that there was a routine medical emergency in first class. Other
flight attendants were busy at duties such as getting medical supplies while Ong
and Sweeney were reporting the events.

At 8:41, in American’s operations center, a colleague told Marquis that the
air traffic controllers declared Flight 11 a hijacking and "think he’s [American
11] headed toward Kennedy [airport in New York City].They’re moving everybody
out of the way.They seem to have him on a primary radar.They seem to
think that he is descending."

At 8:44, Gonzalez reported losing phone contact with Ong. About this
same time Sweeney reported to Woodward,"Something is wrong.We are in a
rapid descent . . .we are all over the place."Woodward asked Sweeney to look
out the window to see if she could determine where they were. Sweeney
responded:"We are flying low.We are flying very, very low.We are flying way
too low." Seconds later she said,"Oh my God we are way too low." The phone
call ended.

At 8:46:40,American 11 crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade
Center in New York City.39 All on board, along with an unknown number of
people in the tower,were killed instantly.

United Airlines Flight 175 was scheduled to depart for Los Angeles at 8:00.Captain
Victor Saracini and First Officer Michael Horrocks piloted the Boeing 767,
which had seven flight attendants. Fifty-six passengers boarded the flight.

United 175 pushed back from its gate at 7:58 and departed Logan Airport
at 8:14. By 8:33, it had reached its assigned cruising altitude of 31,000 feet.The
flight attendants would have begun their cabin service.

The flight had taken off just as American 11 was being hijacked, and at 8:42
the United 175 flight crew completed their report on a “suspicious transmission”
overheard from another plane (which turned out to have been Flight 11)
just after takeoff. This was United 175’s last communication with the ground.

The hijackers attacked sometime between 8:42 and 8:46.They used knives
(as reported by two passengers and a flight attendant), Mace (reported by one
passenger), and the threat of a bomb (reported by the same passenger).They
stabbed members of the flight crew (reported by a flight attendant and one passenger).
Both pilots had been killed (reported by one flight attendant).The eyewitness
accounts came from calls made from the rear of the plane, from
passengers originally seated further forward in the cabin, a sign that passengers
and perhaps crew had been moved to the back of the aircraft. Given similarities
to American 11 in hijacker seating and in eyewitness reports of tactics and
weapons, as well as the contact between the presumed team leaders, Atta and
Shehhi,we believe the tactics were similar on both flights.

The first operational evidence that something was abnormal on United
175 came at 8:47, when the aircraft changed beacon codes twice within a
minute. At 8:51, the flight deviated from its assigned altitude, and a minute
later New York air traffic controllers began repeatedly and unsuccessfully trying
to contact it.

At 8:52, in Easton, Connecticut, a man named Lee Hanson received a
phone call from his son Peter, a passenger on United 175. His son told him:
“I think they’ve taken over the cockpit—An attendant has been stabbed—
and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making
strange moves. Call United Airlines—Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA.”
Lee Hanson then called the Easton Police Department and relayed what he
had heard.

Also at 8:52, a male flight attendant called a United office in San Francisco,
reaching Marc Policastro.The flight attendant reported that the flight had been
hijacked, both pilots had been killed, a flight attendant had been stabbed, and
the hijackers were probably flying the plane.The call lasted about two minutes,
after which Policastro and a colleague tried unsuccessfully to contact the
flight.

At 8:58, the flight took a heading toward New York City.

At 8:59, Flight 175 passenger Brian David Sweeney tried to call his wife,
Julie. He left a message on their home answering machine that the plane had
been hijacked. He then called his mother, Louise Sweeney, told her the flight
had been hijacked, and added that the passengers were thinking about storming
the cockpit to take control of the plane away from the hijackers.

At 9:00, Lee Hanson received a second call from his son Peter:
It’s getting bad, Dad—A stewardess was stabbed—They seem to have
knives and Mace—They said they have a bomb—It’s getting very bad
on the plane—Passengers are throwing up and getting sick—The
plane is making jerky movements—I don’t think the pilot is flying the
plane—I think we are going down—I think they intend to go to
Chicago or someplace and fly into a building—Don’t worry, Dad—
If it happens, it’ll be very fast—My God,my God.

The call ended abruptly. Lee Hanson had heard a woman scream just before
it cut off. He turned on a television, and in her home so did Louise Sweeney.
Both then saw the second aircraft hit the World Trade Center.

At 9:03:11, United Airlines Flight 175 struck the South Tower of the World
Trade Center.51 All on board, along with an unknown number of people in
the tower,were killed instantly.

American Airlines Flight 77 was scheduled to depart from Washington Dulles
for Los Angeles at 8:10. The aircraft was a Boeing 757 piloted by Captain
Charles F. Burlingame and First Officer David Charlebois. There were four
flight attendants. On September 11, the flight carried 58 passengers.

American 77 pushed back from its gate at 8:09 and took off at 8:20. At 8:46,
the flight reached its assigned cruising altitude of 35,000 feet. Cabin service
would have begun. At 8:51,American 77 transmitted its last routine radio communication.

The hijacking began between 8:51 and 8:54. As on American 11
and United 175, the hijackers used knives (reported by one passenger) and
moved all the passengers (and possibly crew) to the rear of the aircraft (reported
by one flight attendant and one passenger). Unlike the earlier flights, the Flight
77 hijackers were reported by a passenger to have box cutters. Finally, a passenger
reported that an announcement had been made by the “pilot” that the
plane had been hijacked. Neither of the firsthand accounts mentioned any stabbings
or the threat or use of either a bomb or Mace,though both witnesses began
the flight in the first-class cabin.

At 8:54, the aircraft deviated from its assigned course, turning south.Two
minutes later the transponder was turned off and even primary radar contact
with the aircraft was lost.The Indianapolis Air Traffic Control Center repeatedly
tried and failed to contact the aircraft.American Airlines dispatchers also
tried, without success.

At 9:00,American Airlines Executive Vice President Gerard Arpey learned
that communications had been lost with American 77.This was now the second
American aircraft in trouble. He ordered all American Airlines flights in
the Northeast that had not taken off to remain on the ground. Shortly before
9:10, suspecting that American 77 had been hijacked, American headquarters
concluded that the second aircraft to hit the World Trade Center might have
been Flight 77. After learning that United Airlines was missing a plane,American
Airlines headquarters extended the ground stop nationwide.

At 9:12, Renee May called her mother, Nancy May, in Las Vegas. She said
her flight was being hijacked by six individuals who had moved them to the
rear of the plane. She asked her mother to alert American Airlines. Nancy May
and her husband promptly did so.

At some point between 9:16 and 9:26, Barbara Olson called her husband,
Ted Olson, the solicitor general of the United States. She reported that the
flight had been hijacked, and the hijackers had knives and box cutters. She further
indicated that the hijackers were not aware of her phone call, and that they
had put all the passengers in the back of the plane. About a minute into the
conversation, the call was cut off. Solicitor General Olson tried unsuccessfully
to reach Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Shortly after the first call, Barbara Olson reached her husband again. She
reported that the pilot had announced that the flight had been hijacked, and
she asked her husband what she should tell the captain to do.Ted Olson asked
for her location and she replied that the aircraft was then flying over houses.
Another passenger told her they were traveling northeast.The Solicitor General
then informed his wife of the two previous hijackings and crashes. She did
not display signs of panic and did not indicate any awareness of an impending
crash. At that point, the second call was cut off.

At 9:29, the autopilot on American 77 was disengaged; the aircraft was at
7,000 feet and approximately 38 miles west of the Pentagon.59 At 9:32, controllers
at the Dulles Terminal Radar Approach Control “observed a primary
radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed.” This was later determined
to have been Flight

At 9:34,Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport advised the Secret Service
of an unknown aircraft heading in the direction of the White House.American
77 was then 5 miles west-southwest of the Pentagon and began a
330-degree turn. At the end of the turn, it was descending through 2,200 feet,
pointed toward the Pentagon and downtown Washington.The hijacker pilot then
advanced the throttles to maximum power and dove toward the Pentagon.

At 9:37:46,American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, traveling
at approximately 530 miles per hour.61 All on board, as well as many civilian
and military personnel in the building,were killed.