Harry's anger

Book 5: HP & the Order of the Phoenix Forum

Many people did not like the change in Harry in the fifth book. He was angry, temperamental, and just not a lot of fun. While I find all of this to be natural given the circumstances, many do not.

Was Harry's anger due to the stress of Voldemort's return and lack of information, or was there something more to it? Could Harry have been channeling the anger that Voldemort felt?

wow good idea! Then again there were times when Voldmort felt extreme happiness and Harry wasn't happy at all. But it could be a combination of Stress and that. Plus I think everyone in the whole school was just in a general bad temper with Umbridge, even Fred and George, although they took their anger out on pranks rather than yelling at friends. Plus it says that around the time of the OWLs all of the 5th years were yelling and angry, hermione yelled at people just for laughing to loud remember? Although I do agree that Voldmort's anger could have contributed quite a lot to it. Personally I don't think Harry's temper will get any better until Voldmort and Bellatrix especially are gone, because of the pain he must feel about Sirius.

I do think it's partly because of Voldemort, but there's more: he's 16 years old, and it's only natural that he wants to lash out at the world!

other than that ^ what daemon said

Boy you two are fast! I just posted this thread.

You both brought up great points. I had forgotten about adolescent mood swings too. I think they could have been a contributor.

that's it, Sherry, we're like the wind... we sneak in, post in threads and sneak out again... you never know where we'll strike, or how fast we'll come in... muahahahahaha... err...

but I think Voldemort's anger could contribute to his overall demeanor...

That and having his scar hurt all the time.

Yes, you two are sneaky all right. Now where did you go.

* creeps up upon fuscia* BOO! * runs away with invisibility cloak on laughing*

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Will Harry learn to control his anger in the next book? Who will be giving him Occlumency lessons?

I don't know if he will learn to control it in the next book... but without learning Occlumency, I don't think that it's going to be possible. Snape and Harry need to work through their "issues" with each other, because he's the best person to teach him.

I think Dumbledore will teach him Occlumency. Snape can not get past the issues. I think that Snape may come in and help Dumbledore with the training because he is a trigger for making Harry angry.

That would be great if Dumbledore teaches him....

I think he will . He stated in book 5 that he should have taught it to him. I think Dumbledore is going to step up to the plate and give Harry everything he can to help him survive.

oh i definetly think that Dumbledore will be teaching Harry, he almost hinted in the 5th book that he would do so. I find it rather ironic that as good as snape is at occlumency, he couldnt get over his feelings of hate for james potter, there must have been something much more than what harry saw in the pensive that went on between them, because if snape can control his emotions around Voldmort, and not get over his past with somone that is dead.. then theres something... its just odd.

Whatever James and the gang did to him is so deep, that every time Snape see's Harry (who's a dead ringer for his father) it all just comes back, time and time again. Plus, Harry's popularity doesn't help... I'm sure.

Harry wasn't particularly popular in the last book but I see what you mean

Voldemort was never a rival of Snape. He was someone he looked up to instead. James was the hated rival and Harry is too much like his dad.

Grant, the angry brooding guy thing could work for Harry.

In book 5 Harry was a 15 year old ball of walking hormones. Even wizards have to go through puberty, and anger at the whole world, is just a normal part of adolesence.

Not to mention, all of the following:

Hermione and Ron, his two most loyal friends kept secrets from him all summer.

The adults wouldn't tell him anything.

He didn't have the guidence of Dumbledore all year.

He wasn't able to talk to Sirius or even send him an owl.

He had Voldemort to think about.

He found out some ugly truths about his father and Snape.

Snape is still a jerk.

He couldn't play Quiddich, his most favorite thing in the whole world.

He was put on trial.

Cho was playing him.

His buddy Hagrid wasn't around for most of the schoolyear.

Draco's still a brat.

Harry isn't made a prefect, and his two best friends are.

Cruel detentions that would not even be legal in muggle schools.

Pressure about O.W.L.S

Hermione not letting Harry and Ron cheat off her this year. And acting like a mother, scolding them all the time about their studies.

He wasn't telling Ron and Hermione everything on his mind, even though he should have. They could have helped.

He's still dealing with what happened last year with Cedric's death.

Constant headaches.

UMBRIDGE

And did I mention, he's a teenager?

All right Heather. You caught up. Addicting aren't the books?

I think Harry had every right to be angry. I just don't get why people don't like him because of it.

Wow... she DID catch up, and pointed out some very key things that would lead to Harry's anger.

Heather... enjoying the books??? Are you addicted now???

harry potter is like a big deep hole, once you get in your stuck there waiting until the next idea pops into your head, or in our case waiting until they realease the next book.

I finished all five. I wanted to finish before PoA came out, but I was only a day late. I am going to re read them all after I go to see it. I know I missed a lot.

I don't think people like Harry being angry, because to a lot of people heroes shouldn't have that much anger, and if they do it is to be used to do good things. However, Harry's anger didn't always seem to be doing good things. He's no longer that cute little boy. He is now becoming a man that must fulfill a mission--Kill Voldemort.

Remember what the centaur said when Harry and Hermione took Umbridge into the forest? He picked Harry up and said something like, "But this one's nearly a man." I don't remember the exact words, but my point is, I think this is a clue. Dumbledore said that Harry has many more powers than he knows. Maybe Harry won't realize all of his powers until he becomes an adult. That's why there has to be 7 books. Rowling needs to get Harry to adulthood, then he can kill Voldemort.

I don't know why people didn't like Harry's anger in the fifth book. I for one really enjoyed reading a realistic portrayal of a boy who is having a difficult time, he is feeling lonely and cut off from his world, going through a lot of changes and realising many new feelings and emotions. Being always nice and sweet would have made him look too much like a candy bar.

M.

I have to agree that it was nice to see a realistic portrayal of Harry. He is growing into a man, but he is not there yet. He is not old enough in the eyes of the adults to handle everything and that is infuriating to him because it all revolves around him and his destiny to kill or be killed.

To be the center of it all and to be not able to do anything or know anything can definitely be infuritating, especially for a teenager.

M.

Yes, but I think because Harry knows the truth now, he should be the ONLY underage wizard allowed to be a member of the Order. Also, don't you think Harry deserves his own Chocolate Frog Card by now? What more does he have to do to get on one?

Kill a death eater or two I suppose?

On a more serious note, Ron would be jealous, not to mention Harry would have a fan club started for him.

M.

I think Ron will duck out of Harry's shadow in the next two books though. Ron has his own qualities. I think the jealousy thing won't be as much of an issue.

Now I think that being a Prefect is what will make Ron more comfortable with Harry's fame. Also, when he learns that Harry has such a sobering responsibility/destiny, the jealousy will be gone.

yea i think that was another reason dumbledore made ron and hermione perfects, to kind of keep them out of his shadow. Also ron kind of got some of harrys perspective on the whole fame thing. For once instead of harry trying to hide himself being a hero, we see ron trying to comfort harry because hes not a prefect. It was like a good bridging the power gap between them. I for one liked harrys anger but can also see why people wouldnt. As said before people dont like it when their heros get angry or in my words are human. I guess just because harry has always been so great and wonderful and also because hes a fictional wizard, people get this unhuman view of him. Almost like he's a demi god or something. Making harry angry kind of brought him back down to earth. I for one liked it, I have always liked these books, because in some ways, especially in the first book I could relate to harry a little bit. As the books went on well, i couldnt relate as much, but getting angry is a characteristic that I have as well, and Harry's anger made me feel not so distant from him.

I also really liked Harry being human. Harry is my all time favorite character from any book. I love this character. There is a little Harry in most of us. He is real, he is caring, he has felt loss and rejection yet he still finds a way to carry on and rise above those who try to keep him down. Harry is a true hero.

Ditto, Sherry... there is a little Harry inside each and every one of us.

You guys are getting sappy on me!

I am becoming emotional too.

On a more serious note, I agree with Sherry and KJ to a certain extent.

M.

aw dont get " angry" , " be a man"