Harry and the sorcerer's stone

Book 1: HP & the Sorcerer's Stone Forum

I was thinking about the sorcere's stone last night.

Obviously it does not dish out immortality in one singular dose. In order to go on living, Flamel needs to continue taking the potion made from the sorcerer's stone.

There is no prof in my mind that he is actually dead yet, or even that the stone was actually distroyed. Even if that were true, he could have made as much potion as he needed to survive however long he wished.

Where I'm going with this is a big "what if".

What if Harry and his mother and father had taken the potion which allows a person to live for as long wish as they continued to take it.

What if Harry (if not Lily and James) had been dosed with the potion, which allowed him to servive the killing curse, giving him his scar.

It is obvious there is much about Flamel we were never told, but one thing remains and that is that Dumbledore knew him and could have had access to the potion if he so desired.

It's so stupidly simple if you think about it, but that doesn't make it true either, I suppose.

There could have been a reason Lily and James couldn't have taken the potion. Perhaps something to do with Lily's love, which enabled Harry to survive the killing curse.

Severus is a potions master, perhaps he as well may have been involved... but that is another issue all together.

That leaves how Voldemorte's body was actually distroyed. *shrugs* I just thought this was an interesting concept.

Quite a concept there, Black. I like it... don't know if this is something that JKR would do, but there is just NO telling with that woman. She's spinning an amazing tale, and we never know where it will take us. One thing is for sure... no matter WHAT the ending will be, I know that we will all be shocked, and left saying... "Man, I NEVER saw that coming!"

Well, it is a very interesting theory. I love that you think outisde the box. I just don't see it as happening. I think Flammel knew it was time to go, so he had the stone destroyed. Dumbledore is not dumb enough to let the stone survive. I also do not see how the stone could protect him from a killing curse. I think it merely extends life.

It's a fantastic theory V.S.

I really like it!!!

I think it could have stopped Harry from dying, and very simply... because the potion will prolong life, or it'll give you eternal life (as long as you keep taking it)... so if he's touched by a curse, after having taken the potion... well, he'd pull through okay, wouldn't he?

i dont know, i was under the impression that the elixer could revive a dying life, or just keeo you living.. against curses though i dont think it would really protect you. it would be like saying that if harry drank the potion as a baby, and then somone tried to stab him, he would be magically stopped. I think that if he drank it after being stabbed it could heal. But I don't know about keeping you alive under a curse.. I was under the impression that it was more of a natural life that was preserved, and that it could possibly heal if one is dying of disease or something, but against a curse i dno... but it could definetly have happened.

We have to keep in mind that the Potter's were in hiding and only the secret keeper knew where they were. I doubt they had a stone.

But perhaps they had some elixer. Perhaps the philosopher's stone can be used for other purposes we don't know about: strong protection smells and such.

Sounds like garlic Grant.

I just don't think it could stop a killing curse. It just keeps you from a natural death.

that's supposed to be SPELLS, of course.

Did it ever say keeps you from a natural death? Voldemort's demise wasn't particularly natural, but he was going to use it to resurrect himself (in a manner of speaking)

OH RainBOW! I thought it was smells.

Fuscia, keep in mind that the stone it's self is not what gives the holder immortality, it is the elixir that is made from it which does. They could have had the potion or something similar to it at hand, couldn't they have? Also, we do not know for how long the potion lasts, only that the immortality it provides is not permanent.

Daemon. That is an excellent point! I'm not sure entirely what it could do for someone dead or dieing, but if it could revive a dead body for a spirit to reinhabit (which is what Voldemorte essentially wanted to do, right?), I don't see why it couldn't prevent some one from dieing from the "result" of a curse, or at least allowing them to be revived following a short period of death.

Perhaps if someone had made a successful attempt at killing another who had taken the Elixir of Life (the immortality potion made from the sorcerer's stone), it might only nullify the potion. Meaning, they could not be killed and would be healed, but would have to take the potion again afterwards.

Maybe.... if you were cursed with the killing curse, which can not be stopped, then the potion could not keep you from dieing, but what is to say that you could not revive again afterwards because of it?

Who knows. Hope some of that made sense anyhow. :P

Wouldn't you think that Voldemort would have been pressuring his '"loyal" death eather Snape to try to make a stone?

I would have to say that Snape probably hadn't a clue were to even begin making one. He's a potions master, for one, and no where is it said that he is an Alchemist, which is what Flamel is and what was used to make the stone. Alchemy is different then potions making, though in some aspects it may seem similar.

Flamel was the only person to have a sorcerer's stone. There is a reason for this, no? He probably didn't even share the secrets of it's making with Dumbledore, who worked with the man in Alchemy for some years.

Snape would have had to spend years trying to find out where to even begin to make the stone before he could've started making one.

Um...maybe Voldemorte just didn't trust Snape enough to let the man know that he was still around in the first place. I don't know. :P

yea but if harry had survived through the potion, then it wouldnt have been his mother's love that would have saved him. It would have been the potion itself, and we know that love and not alchemy was the reason that voldmort was destroyed so to speak, and also thats why he has to live with petunia. Also if the potion was at hand, why did harrys parents die, and if it can revive you shortly after death, then why didnt they just revive harrys parents? Also with the potion around to protect their lives, why would they have had to put that charm on their house and get a secret keeper in the first place? Plus it would seem unfair that the potters would get the elixer and no one else. Voldmort wasnt just after them... and if they got it then others would want it too if news got out and then it would be in high demand. And im sure even if news didnt get out that the potters had it it would still be in high demand and Flamel would be in trouble. Chances are it wouldnt do much to save you from voldmort because then everyone would have wanted it. Also the potters may have been great wizards, but they werent nearly as special as they are now in the wizarding world, so why would they give it to just them?

Oi! That's certainly a mouthful, daemon. :P

Lily's love is vaguely involved with Harry's survival. We are not sure how exactly it is that it saved him, ony that Dumbledore says it did. (Sort of how when Harry asks Dumbledore what he saw in the mirrow of Erised, and Dumbledore says "socks". We all know that he didn't see socks, but that doesn't mean that he's lying. He may only speaking part of the truth, or alluding to what he saw. Perhaps he saw all the house elves of the wizarding world set free, for all we know.) So, perhaps Lilys love is a reference to something in particular that happend that night, but not in the literal sense.

Also, there may have been a reason that only Harry was given the potion. Perhaps there was only enough for one person, or one dose. It must be extremely hard to make. Maybe Dumbledore drew a line at relying on it. Perhaps there is a price we are unaware of in using the potion. Harry and Voldemorte share many things in common and we don't know why... maybe part of the price that was paid in the end?

It could have been a last resort. Something "in case" all else failed. And maybe, out of love, Lily went against Dumbledores wishes and found a means to aquiring just enough to save her son. If a mother is desperate enough, she will do all she can to save her child. And why you ask? For love.

You don't have to be a "great wizard" to love someone enough to die for them.

Love is a special magic that Voldemort refuses to use. What could be more powerful that the love of a parent for a child? I do think that Lily was a talented witch and she may have devised a protecting for Harry involving her love.