Move out of AMERICA if you don't support PRES. BUSH!

Post-9/11 Era Forum

HELLO !!!!!!!!!!!! We are Americans! I think every one that is against the war on Sadam should think of one simple answer for this simple question.....DO you like living in a free country????
If you answered no then get OUT !!!!!! Don't bad mouth President Bush.
Terrorists take away PEACE
Terrorists take away FREEDOM
Terrorists terrorize and murder people
Terrorists don't care about anyone's life (including thier own).

Pres. Bush wants Peace for EVERYONE
Pres. Bush loves America and our freedom
Pres. Bush won't tollerate terrorism...no one should tollerate it.
This war is to get RID of terrorists !!!!!

No one like's HITLER !!!!!
SADAM is worse than HITLER !!!!!

Instead of going on and on and on about why we should not be supportive of war....................change your way of thinking and support our troops that are fighting for everyone's freedom !!!!

You sound like a 10 year old kid trying to explain this war

Saddam Bad

George Bush Good

Food goes in my mouth

She's free to speak her piece.

A freedom brought about by war, conflict and final victory which America played a part in over the last century. How ironic hey... that what you have was given to you by something that you're against today? If only the common Iraqi could have that freedom.

Fred Hooper

Free to own guns, free to have an extreme level of citizen to citizen murder, free to be able to justify that those are OK, Free to feel that infact we are all under threat because people dont want us to be free.

Freedom to me is not feeling threatened from terrorists who would not even be terrorists if we hadnt interferred in their culture and given them a cause to fight. The US is not a target for terrorism because some people dont like the percieved freedom of the US, The US will become a major target for terrorism because it interferes with other peoples cultures.

Hmmm, that's a new one on me. Thanks for that.

"Move out of AMERICA if you don't support PRES. BUSH!"

Actually more than 3/4 the people who voted in the U.S. did not support BUSH

raquelhldy´s text (and Bush´s talks) reminds me somehow of nazi propaganda. Message seems to be "if you don´t agree with us, you´re against us". You also see good and bad as black and white as Bush (and Hitler).

If you know something about last presidential elections in the US, you should know that Bush´s victory was extremely narrow. Every 3rd american is against this war, why should they support Bush. Freedom in making up ones mind is one of the basic rights, without it america wouldn´t be "land of the free", would it?

You also say that THIS war is to get rid of terrorists. Do you think this war will be the last? No it won´t. Rumsfeld and the rest of his war-owls will probably have Syria and Iran next on the list, who knows wich countries after them.

You also advise all anti-war people to change their way of thinking and support your troops in fighting for everyones freedom...hmm...Whose freedom. Not everybody wan´t a freedom brought to them with force. The ain´t a small american living in all foreigners, you know.

ps. US , Bush

The electoral vote is another example of the peoples wishes going ignored.

search 4 truth....what was the point of you typing out all those conflicts in which america was involved. we could do one of those for very many countries in this world, and trust me, the numbers next to 'civilians killed' would be thousands times higher in most cases.

frankly, none of those other conflicts should be mentioned. judge the war in iraq based on the war in iraq, not what the u.s did 30 years ago.

"...To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Theodore Roosvelt, Kansas City Star (May 7, 1918)

i like the name of the thread ,and im with the thread starter on this one!!

Thankyou.

i am a Bush supporter, a war supporter, and pretty much a patrioitic kinda guy...
however, whoever replied that the original thread sounded like a ten year old, was(unfortunantly) on target....these things are not black and white....every citizen of this country is entitled to thier opinion no matter what it is or how wacko it seems to be....fred hooper made this point very well...and he's exactly right about how it is that we all got that freedom

what i really wanted to say though was that even though your heart is in the right place, you should leave the liberals alone... they have a right to thier opinion, and the more they share it with us the funnier they get.... dont give them easy stuff to pick on, let em' work for it.... i'm telling ya, when you let them go they bury themselves in some of the most hysterical, gibberish you've ever seen!!!!
dont tell em' to leave...we need the comic relief!!!

Especially when our president is a MORONIC DICK HEAD!

now there are some words of wisdom...
"moronic dick head"....
how do you do it..? i am amazed by the mental prowess involved in coming up with such a thoughtful, insightful, truly awe inspiring comment such as that....


we all bow down to the mental giant...
after all, who could argue with such intelligence....

I just wanted to get right to the point! Sometimes these long diatribes get irritating. Why waste words, when you can clearly get the point accross and fully capture the essence of President Bush in one succinct sentence...

It is amazing to me how many rednecks out there completely miss the point of the 1st Amendment.

Loyalty to the USA does not equal blind loyalty to the president of the USA. I think it is somewhat valid to say, "if you don't like the US, get out." However, to say, "if you don't like the US pres, get out," goes against everything that the US stands for. I recently quoted Teddy Roosevelt, who stated that it is unpatriotic to NOT criticize the president if one believes that the president is wrong.

People who don't understand this concept probably can't comprehend how one can support the troops and NOT support the president at the same time. Except for the extremist minority of the anti-war population, no one wants to see American soldiers harmed. We pray for the safe return of every soldier just like the people who support the war do. Besides, the soldiers don't really have a say in the matter. They are just doing their jobs and doing what they are told to do.

Is it a "right" to kill millions of innnocent people when you don't even really know who your true enemies are? The US has constantly been smacking everyone around to get what THEY want for THEIR interests. Now there is an 8 and a half billion dollar "Star Wars" program in the works. If America is so confident, why this tactic? America is creating more hatred, more fear and more chaos throughout the world than any other nation in history. Cool heads must prevail. Is America really interested in the best interests of the world? How do Americans really react to outside forces telling them what to do? Not good. So how do you expect people from other nations to react when America walks in and starts bombing and killing? Is this liberation? If America is such a great and "benevolent" nation, why would it kill all of these innocent people?

Unfortunately, the US started out as a warring nation and just can't seem to break the habit. The Bush administration, like so many others has developed the swelled head and many Americans actually think they can be trusted. Right now, more people througout the world are against American policy and this war than ever and this is only indicative that the rest of the world has changed and the US has not. Yet they have managed to become the most powerful nation in the world.

I have watched a documentary here in Canada and it outlined the lies of Donal Rumsfeld who said he was not in Iraq shaking hands with Saddam Hussein and striking a deal. This program showed Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein!! He lied to the press in broad daylight about this.

Look, no one can convince Americans that their government may or may not be corrupt or otherwise. The truth is, as a citizen of your country, don't you think it wiser to question your government? As a Canadian, I question my government all the time. I feel they are greedy since they tax us into the ground. And I don't trust our politicians as far as I could spit. Asking questions and trying to sort the truth from the lies is a hard thing to swallow. But you owe it to yourself and your fellow man to do so. With all of the power that would come with running a country as large as the US, don't you think it would be very easy to use that power for selfish ends.

I think when people come on a message board and start spewing how much they love America and how much they trust their leaders there is something really wrong. That kind of blind trust is very dangerous. Don't you think that the government would use this for it's own ends? Do you really believe everything they say? Is it all that cut and dry, all that black and white?

Look, no one is trying to pick on you, but you must understand that there is two sides to every coin and people are really offended when you TELL them they must leave the US if they don't agree with the war in Iraq.

As a Canadian, I was very offended when Bush said that all of the nations of the world were either for or against them in this war. How would you like it if you were told you had to go fight in a cause you don't believe in? This is not a positive way to make an argument. People do no like to be pushed around any more than you do. This is the basic problem that makes this whole issue a hotbed of emotions.

So think again very carefully about what all of this means. This is advice. Please learn to listen to opposing points of view. No problem has ever been solved with violence and hatred. It only leads to more violence and hatred. Well you get the ides

threerandot

that is honestly the best response i've ever read, since I have been here

The united states should strive to be more like our neighbours to the north, we can learn a lot from them

I recently watched "Bowling For Columbine" and I was shocked to see 11,000 gun crimes in our country
and only 63 in Canada

you are a great man of intellegence, and I must insist that everybody read threerandots response

search- i too think it was a well written response, but since i do not agree with all of it, does that make me wrong? you know, like alot of tv, or movies, editing plays to the audience. "bowling" took alot of liberty with the truth! moore has an agenda, if it is the same as yours, then you agree. i have no weapons, having given them up years ago, but do not object to others having them legally. yet, moore likes to twist alot of things to fit his view. if you don't realize that i am indeed sorry for you. it may have won an academy award, but it was far from the truth. as to learning from canada, one point- why do the canadians come here in droves for medical care?

Some things can only be solved by force. Those who believe violence never solved anything are kidding themselves. It would be great if everyone on this planet was peaceful and benevolent, but the fact is that not everyone is. There are those who will cheat and lie to get what they want, and on an even worse level there are those who will kill and inflict suffering to get what the want.

For example, say there is a criminal who severely beats the elderley and steals thier handbags and wallets. This person has even beaten several elderly to death on occasion. For the past 12 years this thug has been in and out of court, but every time the judge lets him off on probation. This person has reoffended while on probation many times, but each time the judge gives him another chance. If this was the case, the community would be rioting in the streets. This would represent a total failure of the legal system would it not?

Well, what we have is a thug called Saddam Hussein, who uses his superior focre to inflict suffering and steal money out of the wallets of his own people. For the past 12 years, we've had the UN giving him chance after chance after chance. Just how many chances are we suppost to give someone before we lock them up? What if the person resists arrest? Should the police back off because he's getting too violent? If this was the case, every other thug would know that when the cops come along, if they show as much force as possible they will back off.


Just as this is not the kind of situation you would want in your local community, this is not the kind of situation we want in our international community. There need to be laws, and those laws need to be able to be backed up by force. End of story.

@Enigma

what you describe can be applied to U.S. gov ....

Look at what it made in less then a century http://www.nowar.tchacheurs.com/why_en.html

U.S. gov made worse than Saddam .....


Sampling of Deaths From US Military Interventions & Propping Up Corrupt Dictators (using the most conservative estimates):

Nicaragua 30,000 dead
Brazil 100,000 dead
Korea 4 million dead
Guatemala 200,000 dead
Honduras 20,000 dead
El Salvador 63,000 dead
Argentina 40,000 dead
Bolivia 10,000 dead
Uruguay 10,000 dead
Ecuador 10,000 dead
Peru 10,000 dead
Iraq 1.3 million dead
Iran 30,000 dead
Sudan 8–10,000 dead
Colombia 50,000 dead
Panama 5,000 dead
Japan 140,000 dead
Afghanistan 10,000 dead
Somalia 5000 dead
Philippines 150,000 dead
Haiti 100,000 dead
Dominican Republic 10,000 dead
Libya 500 dead
Macedonia 1000 dead
South Africa 10,000 dead
Pakistan 10,000 dead
Palestine 40,000 dead
Indonesia 1 million dead
East Timor 1/3–1/2 of total population
Greece 10,000 dead
Laos 600,000 dead
Cambodia 1 million dead
Angola 300,000 dead
Grenada 500 dead
Congo 2 million dead
Egypt 10,000 dead
Vietnam 1.5 million dead
Chile 50,000 dead



What can you say to Chilian families which losts their children under Pinochet reign ?

And to the others ?

Well I dispute a few of those figures, but that's not the point.

I have said before I know what the US government has done wrong in the past, and god knows I agree with you in that area. I do not consider that a significant part of this current conflict however. This is about the war on Iraq (at least it's suppost to be), and I am addressing that. What the US has done wrong in the past, and is still doing wrong today is a seperate issue. Ok, so not entirely. You'll say it goes to show the character of the institution, and if we make these kind of decisions based on Saddams past record, why don't we make them on the past record of the US. Well that's just one can of worms I don't want to open right now, or else I'll be sitting here typing forever. Once again though, I know, and I agree with you. I think in this conflict however, whatever you may believe the true motivation of the US to be, is in the best interests of all involved, adn that includes the Iraqi people.

I hope it will be for Iraqi people, otherwise it will add one more reason to people already hating U.S. ....

But when you see all the lies done, fakes used and the rest, I ( and a lot of people) don't trust that "War for Iraqi freedom" .......

we will see ....

kamehasa...

To begin with, I would like to know which "three" continents you are speaking of. If we are discussing continents, all that I know of are North America and South America, I count two...but its been a while since I've been in geography so this could have changed.

Since you want to get "technical" in wordplay...if someone wished to represent the different landmasses which make up the continents it would be referred to as the "Americas".

Now lets break things down further as you so tried to.

Mexico (which you did forget to mention) along with Panama is part of North America....but never has it been referred to as America (that I know of), you could however consider it as part of the North American continent.

Cuba and the Cuban Archipelago I would guess would be part of the "Americas", but never have I heard it referred to as "America" and I'm pretty sure you would really upset Mr. Fidel Castro if you said that to his face.

Argentina, Brazil, Columbia and as you put it "several others" would be considered as part of the Americas and South America, but never have I heard them referred to as America.

You can also look at this another way, you don't refer to a Cuban as an American, they are considered Cuban. The same would go for a Brazilian, Columbian, Mexican, and Panamanian. However, if you were to say American, that would automatically signify that the person is from the USA.

It is very well understood and accepted throughout the world that if someone states that they are from America or is an American, that symbolizes that they are from the United States of America. However, if a you were to ask a Mr. Fidel Castro where he was from and he said Cuba, please make sure you have a bullet proof vest on before you say to him "Oh, you are from America".

I'm not sure why you are attempting to correct anyone on wordplay here. I believe you understood the point that the invidivual was trying to make, in this case raquelhldy, and I believe she was very correct in her use of the word America. I believe, unless the geography of this earth has changed since I last attended grade school, you really need to go look things up in the books which you suggested yourself.

kamehasa....

Furthermore, by your definition of "America" and your reference to "antiamericanism", you would effectively be categorizing the countries which you stated within that mold, i.e., Argentina, Brazil, Columbia, Cuba and the "several others". I am pretty sure those countries would not appreciate it.

I assume that English or American is not your native tongue.....please stick to the facts of the theme of this board.

WAR IS TUFF BUT DEFFENTLY GETS ITS POINT ACROSS DOESNT IT BUT THAT IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN ALL THROUGH HISTORY NOT JUST THE USA HISTORY BUT THE WORLDS HISTORY SO IF YOU ARE GONNA POINT FINGERS DO IT TO ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES ALSO, YOU KNOW, RUSSIA, FRANCE,GERMANY,ENGLAND,MIDDLEEAST, AND ALL OVER. wARS BEEN FAUGHT FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, SOMETIMES GOOD, SOMETIMES BAD BUT IN THE END THERE ARE ALWAYS DEATHS ON ALL SIDES BUT HOPEFULLY THIS IS A GOOD WAR, AND SO FAR IT HAS BEEN FOR THE IRAQIS JUST ASK THEM NOT JUST A FEW EXTREIMISTS THAT ARE NEVER HAPPY ABOUT ANYTHING AT ANYTIME.

Someone sent this email to me and it really says it all:

After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered, this is an editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper.
He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the
possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some
born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese , Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the
world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives "every" citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But
once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE...

"It is incredibly narrow-minded (and unpatriotic) to say, "if you don't like President Bush, get out of America." If you don't like President Bush, don't vote for him in the next election. I know I won't. ".....posted by lissident

agrreed... that is a very narrow minded thing to say...and stupid too!

vote him out?:
thats your right....if you dont like him get all your friends together and vote him out of office....thats your best form of protest.

i just hope that i got more friends than you do.... so we can at least cancel out your votes...... good luck!

why its true and to the point no bull.... aside dont like frankness huh

it was your post that said that is was a narrow minded comment to say that if you dont like president Bush than get out of america.....my post said i agree with your comment....didnt you read it or were you so busy looking for a fight that you didnt take the time to actually read what i said

once again let me state... i agree with you

i also agree that you should exercise your right to vote in the next election....

thats two things that we agree on....

the only disagreement is that i endorse our president and you do not....

please re-read my posting and perhaps my original post on this thread....you will see that we are in total agreement on all but one thing

this whole "disagreement" shows that we actually have the same view about the original thread poster..... we do not agree with the simplistic view imposed by the narrow mindedness of this thread

just goes to show that folks with different views can agree on things... if you just concentrate on the positive and clear up the misunderstandings

liquidplumber,

I'm glad that we agree on those two points. America would be a boring place to live if we could not have differing opinions. I wasn't looking for a fight.

Thanks for clearing things up.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by raquelhldy
every one that is against the war on Sadam should think of one simple answer for this simple question.....DO you like living in a free country????
If you answered no then get OUT !!!!!! Don't bad mouth

umm so if u dont like the administration n wna speak out against it u should havta move? america=free country you moron