In time for the election

Afghanistan Forum

Another big push is about to begin.
Let's get OBL before November.

Surely you are not suggesting political motivations for military action ?

But you never know, it might just work !

kula

Regardless, that WILL be the motive.
You know what? Bush deserves another term.
4 more years.

Yeah, 4 more years of war, lies, death and debt. What are you guys? Masochists?

We love this place, glad you're not here.

Your hero, Dubya, has started a war, lied about the reasons for it, killed countless tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis (and a few thousand insurgents/defenders) and nigh on a thousand of your own soldiers, poor 20-year-old saps from Omaha who couldn't place Canada on the map let alone Iraq, and plunged the USA into record debt of 500 billion smack-a-roonies, caused mostly by a war that costs $4 billion a week.

And you'd stilll vote for the guy?

Was Idi Amin not available?

Absolutley. 4 MORE YEARS. What part don't you understand?
You see, you are biased and you know nothing about America or it's people's true feelings about this country.
You will NEVER understand and frankly I could care less if you don't.
You see, I am in the majority.
4 more years.
This is what my son told me yesterday. He is in Iraq and will spend another year and a half there. He will note for Bush in November.
I bet you can't figure that one out either.

Nup - guilty - because if my President had plunged my country into an expensive killing machine of hate and death that had no end in sight and indeed doesn't have an exit strategy, a cluster**** of hate and death that every day kills people and causes more terrorism and feeds more hatred for my country than anything else, especially cos it was launched under the pretext of WMDs and the war on terrorism when really the slimy little cowboy **** meant oil. Well. Four more years of that? Why not just get a stick and stab it into your eyes, a lot.

Buddy if you're the majority then no wonder we're in a war.

Bush is going to be on trial for war crimes for the next few years, so will not be available to run a country. (not that he did before hand !)

kula

LOL
4 more years.
Why do I aways here this "cowboy" thing coming from europe and australia?
Is "cowboy" supposed to be demeaning to Americans in some way?
I don't get it.

Well you can here it from an American too:

Bush is a friggin' don't-mess-with-Texas cowboy. Yee-haw

I love it. Cowboys are American heros not something deragatory.

I've never understood how being a "cowboy" is a bad thing. Heck, I live in Texas (which i guess makes me a cowboy? )

it's just one of those things...

it's basically the counterpart of Curley Joe's favorite word "Europist"

Oh ok. *sigh* I support the same side as curly but man...he needs to grow up or something.

Bush got in last time without a majority. Interesting political system you have there.

The term cowboy could be construed thus: you're a cowboy, ie a good person, or in the case of Dubya, a borderline illiterate gung-ho ****wit.

The cowboy thing must be a recent european and down under thing. I never heard it used this way. I guess they attached a name thinking it was derogatory. LOL. Go figure.

Texans in particular have always been marked as cowboys by the rest of America.

watch some crappy action flicks where it's some US super-spy fighting Russian Communists... they get called cowboy sometimes

I guess I don't see derogatory analagy in it. Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with it.
Enough about that.

I seems a lot of people are staying away from this subject. Why? Because it might just shed Bush in a positive light.

Coogee please hush. You are making it painfully obvious you know nothing of America.

Anomaly77: I can see where you coming from. I used to live in NJ and I at one point was frightened that everyone in the USA thought like you do. Since leaving I"m glad to find out that I was wrong. America is as stupid as I thought. It's just the East Coast is full of Liberals unfortunately. But than again most of the east coast is mad of foreigners sot hat's really not suprising to me.

Kula: In case you can't tell we don't care what you Europeans prefer. LOL

Hell - and this was in October of last year:

October 29, 2003

Iraqi war deaths 'total 13,000'

BBC: About 13,000 Iraqis, including as many as 4,300 civilians, were killed during the major combat phase of the Iraq war, according to a US research group.

It said the estimates were based on US combat data, battlefield press reports, and Iraqi hospital surveys.

Yeah, it makes you wonder how so many peopel died when we dropped leaflets to the peole, telling them what we were going to do. Too bad Al-Queda doesn't do that.

Maybe some people prefer the Russian "Destroy everything" tactics applied in Chechnya. Why nobody knows how many civilians died in Chechnya?
Or, others may prefer the French "Run away" tactics applied in Rwanda (operation Turqoise), where millions of africans died after french troops saved the saveable and fled to France.

How many didn't die because of Saddam NOT being in power? The Iraqis are finding out Freedom isn't free and they are willing to stay the course for this freedom Don't kid yourself, this is what they want.
I think your numbers are exagerated by thousands too.

They're not my stats USA1 - they're from all manner of different agencies - the Administration would have some numbers but they wouldn't tell you cos it might hurt Dubya's re-election.

Nice of you to drop those leaflets. But where were people meant to go? Out into the desert? With family friends in Falluja? Maybe they could come over your place in Disneyland.

Freedom isn't free? Tell that to all the people who's children are dead from US bombs. ask them if invading their country and bombing **** out of it to get rid of Saddam and his non-existant weapons if that was a good idea, was worth it, was worth their children's lives. Saddam needed to go - but not like this. Not with all this ongoing, never-ending hate and war and shite ... there had to be another way, in the human world of 2004, with all our advances in so many other things, we can't find a way to free a people, a country, without killing tens of thousands of innocents? I mean ... 9/11 was incomprehsibly bad. But is it worse, are the lives of all those dead children worth less?

Coogee,
Maybe you could have just talked Saddam out of power.

Why not try him for war crimes? Or at least attempt it? Worked with that Milosevic...

better than killing all those people, those completely innocent families, etc, and breeding all that hatred for the US ... if the US/UN could somehow have managed to overthrow Saddam peacefully ... and I admit it's not an easy thing to do ... and I don't have an answer, apart from my war crimes effort that seemed to work with Milosevic ... anyway... if the US/UN could have somehow worked out how to overthrow Saddam, peacefully, it could have been a beacon for the rest of the world on conflict resolution in the new millenium.

But nope - went in with all the guns and killed all the people under the GUISE of fighting against terrorism (perpetrated by Al Queda) and WMDs (that don't exist) and a link between the two (that also doesn't exist) - thereby creating more terrorism and hatred for the West and the US in particular and killing lots of people needlessly.

Like i said - I don't pretend to have an answer - but matey, they wanted to invade Iraq on Sep 12. And they used 9/11 and all those poor folks god rest their souls as an excuse and the world is not a safer place for it.

Well, Sudan had terrorist training camps at one stage ... it's a hotbed of anti-US Islamic sentiment ... several people there wear turbans. Problem for the 100,000 famililes destroyed by the ethnic cleansing is there's no oil under Sudan. nothin but dust and dead blacks, which aren't really worth anyone, the UN, the US, Russia, Egypt, Cambodia, New Zealand, anyone, giving a **** about because really, what's in it for them? Someone from World Vision or whoever willl go over and feed those poor starvin' babies if we all feel guilty enough, but certainly the US won't invade and liberate the people there cos ... well, I'd be interested to hear a few theories.