John Stevens Withdraws

American Idol: Season 3 Forum

I just saw this spoof on Al Qaeda plotting to make John Stevens the winner of American Idol. I had to find someone to share it with. Lots of Laughs Guaranteed:John Stevens Withdraws in Disgust

THAT WAS NOT FUNNY. IT WAS INCREDIBLY STUPID. MOST PEOPLE LIKE HIS VOICE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WRONT WITH AMERICA... BUT I DO KNOW THAT EVERYONE HERE MUST BE AS DUMB AS HELL. STOP DISSING JOHN AND GET A LIFE.

Sorry kid

This is a board where we can express different opinions without flaming each other. We all have different musical tastes. I think the original post was to show some humor and show what is out there on the web.

John is a good singer, I think, but has a style many will not relate to. I don't know if he can find a place in the entertainment industry, but he CAN sing. It's just not most people's taste.

if john is so great...why after yesterdays show..did he walk up to Jennifer and say to her "it should have been ME" ...he knows he is not worthy to win...and to prove it..on "EXTRA" they showed how there was a bad stormed which delayed the showing of AI to much of the midwest where Jenn is from (therefore much of her fan-base) and they didnt get to vote...that is so unfortunate for her..even though i didnt really like her voice...she was way better than him AND diana

if john is so great...why after yesterdays show..did he walk up to Jennifer and say to her "it should have been ME" ...he knows he is not worthy to win...and to prove it..on "EXTRA" they showed how there was a bad storm which delayed the showing of AI to much of the midwest where Jenn is from (therefore much of her fan-base) and they didnt get to vote...that is so unfortunate for her..even though i didnt really like her voice...she was way better than him AND diana....he seems like a sweet guy..he just shouldnt be trying to actually sing professionally...thats all

I agree that JackieDecker intended to offer some humor with that post.

Some might find the spoof a little edgey, because it concerns things that that are in the category of laughing to keep from crying.

I chose to laugh.

I think John's definately a trooper for putting up with all the crap he's getting. I personally may not like his style of singing, but I do think he's very talented, and would definately buy a cd if he came out with one. It comes down to talent for me- not whether or not the style of singing is my favorite or not.

ok sorry. its gloria estefan night. damn. ok. whatever he's singing that night, i hope he does it great.

then leave.

I think some of us have sort of a protective attitude about John.

Some of the finalists act like they can take care of themselves and then there's John ... and I'm starting to feel sympathy/protectiveness towards Diana even though I don't care for her.

Part of it is that they choose to be cruel rather than constructive towards them.

John is told he looks like Stan Laurel and Diana is told she's a child. What the heck does that have to do with anything ?

Then when Fantasia was NOT up-to-par on Manilow night she's told, "I like the original better, but good job", and "I'm so glad you are still in this competition" ?

That's what burns me up.

skylar..you are following me on a couple of threads? oh...going round in circles.. well really..i dont really pay any single person attention..i just write ..but yeah you are right..it seems like you find me and personally say something to me..and you dont get my point....BUT SO WHAT..lol...you will probably never understand my point..because when i give my opinion..i give it from a professional perspective of someone who is really IN the entertainment business and who actually GETS PAID for my opinion...so im not surprised... and When fantasia said that...she didnt say that SHe wasnt worthy to win..lol..John plainly said..he should be going HOME... FAntasia said Jenn was her american idol...but that is not speaking DOWN on herself.... so i'm sure that was just some encouraging words..but what JOHN said was just plain out sad.... he said..IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIM leaving..it doesnt get more clear than that..lol

Let's not forget that it's all in who Amreica thinks should be the American Idol. John is a good singer, with a little more work he can be a great singer.

So do you think John has brought in the Older crowd votes. That might be his advantage. Hey I think about my mom who is in her mid 70's. She would like John but most likely none of the others.

So how many grannies with a cell phone are voting. It'd be an interesting poll.

Again I think America doesn't not want a cookie cut of the other Idols. That is why he keep going thru.

I really think it's a combination. There's the old(er) votes, the teenybop votes, the anti-Simon votes, and the "the diva's don't need us, so let's help the underdog".

At this point -- okay hold the bows and arrows -- I think he deserves a spot in the Top 5 ... yep I do.


Here's why:

Fantasia has not gotten better. She was not as good on BM night as the week before. I soften this with the point that I don't find her voice/style appealing.

Latoya is just "even". Not worse not better ... just the same which is pretty damn good. Given her age/experience, she disappointed me on Movie night, and I never feel into the song with her.

Diana, finally had a pretty good night and she is starting to connect a little more, but she sstill seems "removed".

Jasmine has declined since "Inseparable" and didn't pick it up enough on BM night.

George, I still say he cooked his vocal chords by straining, and once out of his genre niches he has slipped.

John has improved enough each week to satisfy me. He is and has been under the greatest pressure and still gets out there and delivers his best each week.
I am NOT comparing his voice to Claay's just the circumstances. He is handling more crapola than Clay did aand trying to take the advice. Clay was 25 ... 7 years older than John's 16.

Soooooo friends and fans I agree with Jennifer that they ALL deserve to be there, John as much as any of them ... at this point.

I think now ... before Tuesday ... that Jasmine, Diana or :gulp: Fantasia should go before John.

( Note that I think Jasmine/Latoya have similar styles and Diana more like Fantasia or Jennifer. )

Being without cable right now-I am reduced to watching the slop that the networks are pushing on us. That said-The three Divas were by far the best of that night. Even the "golden boy" screwed up his Manilow song. I think that John did a good job on Mandy, but is no match for the Divas-I like him alot, but feel that his time is running out. Too bad, because he gets tortured every week and comes back fighting.

http://www.foxesonidol.com/cgi-bin/...1528.art&page=1




what an interesting way to look at american idol.

Here's the article:
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Stop the Presses! Call in the Troops! We Are in a Crisis!

As we all know, American Idol is in a definite crisis. What can possibly be done to save our favorite show? Rosanne has some ideas and some words for those who have been attacking John Stevens.

President Bush has set aside all his personal time and has hired extra security so that the Nation can be protected against the latest American Idol attack – the invasion of a new and revolutionary form of singing in the name of John Stevens, destined to create havoc and tear the nation apart and threaten everything we hold dear in our cozy little karaoke style world. How did we allow this to happen? Osama, Sadam, 9/11: these catastrophes do not even come close to the chaos and uproar that has rocked the nation since Jennifer Hudson was eliminated from the Top 7 competition, allowing John Stevens and cohorts to continue.

It's unbelievable. The media frenzy has reached a fever pitch and demanded that John Stevens be captured and executed for doing the unthinkable – following his dream on the American Idol stage. Oh, he is a clever one, that John. He came armed with tons of ammunition; class, integrity, perseverance, and resilience as week after week he faced obstacle after obstacle. He endured the tortures of verbal abuse, ridicule, and yet, he has continued to survive the onslaught as producers scramble to find a clever way of capturing him and removing him from the Idol stage forever.

Furthermore, I don't know about you, but I think cancer research should be halted and funding should be allocated to solving the mystery of why John Stevens continues to survive. Let's spend our dollars wisely and more judiciously. How does he do it? Why does he do it? How did we allow this to happen? So many problems in the world – now this? Surely this indicates that the world is coming to an end as we speak.

Should I go on? Do I sound ridiculous enough for you? Not nearly as ridiculous and exaggerated as the media and fan frenzy that have erupted since the Top 7 results show aired last week. I truly believe that many people have lost their sense of perspective and objectivity since the Top 7 results show. Yes, excellent singers come and go from the very initial stages of the American Idol audition process.

In fact, it's a very good thing that our fragile temperaments are protected from the emotional upheaval we would have endured if we could have witnessed the thousands upon thousands of stellar talent rejected during the preliminary stages of the American Idol competition. I mean, call in the medics and psychologists and counselors.

They would have had a field day.


Poor John Stevens. What did this young man ever do to create such hatred and such venom not only throughout the message boards but also throughout the online and offline electronic and press media? The degrading manner and the vocal abuse that John has had to endure defies logic and everything that is morally good and decent in the human spirit.

How dare any of you criticize this young man for following his dream and really attempting to improve and raise his bar each and every week on the American Idol stage? Love him or leave him, you have to agree that John is one of the few performers that actually did try to amend his performances from week to week.


Everyone was so quick to criticize him during Motown or Soul week by asserting that he was injecting too much of his crooner style into these genres of music.

However, when some of the singers added their signature Motown sound to Barry Manilow's mainstream music, that was acceptable, I suppose?

Yep ! That's what I've tried to say, but she says it so much better.

Personally, I am thoroughly disgusted with the irrational and pathetically narrow minded commentary and actions that have evolved since the Top 7 results show last week. There is a rumor circulating on one of John Stevens' forum that 19 Entertainment has been forced to hire bodyguards to protect John because of the threats directed to John. BODYGUARDS! Because of a stupid competition?

If this is true – and even if it isn't and the thought is there – then we really have reduced our moral standards to the lowest, most despicable level. Can everybody please get a grip? Go and see The Passion Of The Christ, Schindler's List, A Beautiful Mind, and video clips of 9/11, and then ask yourself if everyone has lost control of their sense of perception in evaluating this competition.

Additionally, how can anyone take this competition seriously anymore? Conspicuously absent this season is the objectivity in the evaluation process. This year, the celebrity judges have lumped the adolescent singers in one category and have pitted them against the older singers. We have the "Divas," the "Teens," and poor George is somewhere in between. Why is this happening?

Last year, everyone generally started with a clean slate each week and the judging process was more correct and, generally, more objective.

Now, I am the first to say that the minimum age should be raised to 18 years. However, we cannot change the situation this year and, consequently, everyone has to maintain an open mind when critiquing these contestants from week to week. If this subjective judging and subtle manipulation continues, then I fear that the American Idol winner will not reflect the people's choice.

Yes, Jennifer is gone. She is immensely talented and possesses a vocal gift that many singers can only dream of. However, true talent will always rise to the top in the end; I firmly believe this. Witness American Idol Season One Top 4 Finalist Tamyra Gray. Is there no better example than this? Her performance comeback on the Results show this year was breathtaking and eclipsed many previous Idol performances in my estimation.

Quality will win in the end and, if Jennifer plays her cards right, her career will indeed be a golden one. We all know, without pointing fingers, that the Idol crown does not determine success in the music business – longevity and tenacity does!

However, only the future will determine the next stage of the American Idol process. I have always believed in the Idol process and still do, but we have reached a point where a re-evaluation of the present structure has reached a crucial stage. The voting needs to be assessed – that's a given. However, the format could use an overhaul as well.

My advice, take it or leave it, is to have a different genre on American Idol each year or every other year. Determine the genre of performer you wish to market from the very beginning and then you will have more consistent and genre correct performances each week. Mainstream, Country, Classical Pop, Jazz, Broadway/Cabaret (gasp!), or Rock (double gasp!)

Have the singers perform repertoire from these genres that reflect and span the 20th century. For instance, if American Idol wanted to have a Mainstream Idol series, then week one could feature music form 1930s and 1940s Mainstream Pop; week two, 1950s and 1960s; week three: The Beatles; etc.

This then challenges all singers from every style to expand and strengthen their repertoire base beyond the present day.

I was browsing the message board on Fox's American Idol site and found this interesting and ingenious thread called, "Just an idea," and the first posting stated: "Maybe America votes more on the type of the music they want to hear than the talent." This was very insightful, I thought, and would explain the discrepancy and inconsistency of the voting from week to week.

So, this week, our Top 6 will be on stage once again and, mark my words, they are all experiencing mixed emotions – anxiety, stress, and confusion as to what the voters will respond to. If I had to sum it up in one word, it would be sincerity. They should keep the emotion of their songs close to their hearts when they perform. It is not about out performing the previous contestant, it is about performing with sincerity and soul. This is the quality that moves people to vote: Fantasia singing an impeccably artistic "Summertime," John's heartfelt performance of "Mandy," Diana's and Jasmine's excellent performances on Barry Manilow Night, George positively "Taking Us To The Pilot," LaToya singing a spirited "Ain't Goin Down Till The Sun Comes Up," and Jennifer performing "The Circle Of Life."
Keep these and all your favorite songs close to your heart when you watch American Idol on Tuesday and remember that each and every one of these Idols deserve and need your respect and support

I tried to say this too, but nobody understands me. :wah:

not only during American Idol but long after the show disappears into the sunset for another season.

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SOURCE: Foxes on Idol

Author, Rosanne Simunovic is a Voice Instructor.

obaf..you really jump to conclusions alot..i never said there were no other professionals on here..i would love to know who they were so someone who is in the biz would see where i'm coming from...you get really emotional about the topics, and you seem to take each statement tooo seriously...noone who was professional would do that...they would just stick to the point....thats why my posts are not long and drawn out with a lot of copy and pasting...because i really dont care about what someone else has to say when it is really only about what I am saying....of course you dont need to pay for my opinion.... why would you..all you do is watch AI3 you are not an entertainer..i will leave that up to JANET...lol and the PRODUCERS....

Good article. It kinda puts what we've all been saying into perspective and puts our thoughts into a little better wording.

lol..the reason i said i would leave that to janet...is because...for your INFOS ..i just did a song for her...in NY at Rockwilders studio...i know you dont know who that is...but that is a big producer who does stuff for Destinys child and missy elliot ..if you know who they are...and i DO get paid for my WRITING and SINGING..so that is why i said that...there is nothing to be confused about.. my husband is a producer for BADBOY entertainment...I MYSELF AM a professional that is why i say i am one...im not joking at all...lol..believe it or not... I work with producers for Brandy, Usher, Beyonce, Britney Spears, Amerie, Janet, just to name some..and my husband has done music for DREAM, 702, Loon, Mario Winans, and alot of people who you probably dont know...and we have our own artist who we are working on to get them signed to major labels...so there is not HUH, That is what I am talking about when i say professional...someone who is working with Major people making Major money...and doing Major things... ok....so dont rack your brain about it any longer...if there are any other people on this site who are PROFESSIONALS as well..i would love for them to let me know...or if you are someone who is TRYING to be professional and need some help...you can let me know too...We produce albums, write music and all that if you have the budget for it, because our credentials wont allow us to work for little money....but anyways, back to your petty rebuttles...YOU alluded to the fact that you thought i was trying to say alot of things that really i wasnt. And i said i dont care about post where there only point is going through everything i said, and trying to break each little part down. i would rather read something about YOUR opinion..not MINE...lol..i KNOW what i wrote...that is not neccessary to copy and paste it like that.... u really have no point.

j butter b, there is not a problem with people cutting and pasting articles. We prefer that to the rudeness that was in your last post, which most of was off topic with the stuff about your credentials.

We have a great bunch of posters here and EVERY one of them deserves respect. No more flaming.

The young power voters everyone is so upset with are proving that they are not dumb kids who are just going to accept whatever package Simon and Company say they must choose.

the reality is that its the teens who buy most of the music. not a big john fan but im not a teeny

john and diana rock!

fuscia...that last commentary was directed to obaf...not you ...to be honest.. he was copy and pasting things which he did not understand about my previous post..and therefore..i was filling him in on the blank spots in his brain..so that is why my post WAS to the point..if MINE wasnt ...then neither was his....because i was only responding to what he was asking....so please lets stop being bias and just dont say anything ...if you dont REALLY know what you are talking about... thank you..and have a nice day...

j butter b check your private messages. Go to the main menu, scroll down and click on private messages. You need to read yours.

no...i dont read private messages...because i have nothing to say to you or anyone on here in PRIVATE...lol...i dont want to converse with you guys about anything other than AMERICAN IDOL,...so anything that I have to say or YOU have to say...we can discuss on this PUBLIC forum...lol....

J butter b,

You are on the verge of getting banned. And let me tell you, you can try to re-register with a different username but it most likely won't work. My suggestion is don't mess with the moderators. We have let you go way longer than most other forums. You are ruining this forum for the other polite users and we won't stand for it much longer.

You see you may think that you have freedom of speech, but only to a point. When it starts affecting others freedom of speech then it is wrong and will be dealt with. So my suggestion is to COOL IT!

This will be your last and only warning from me.

oh..thank you soooo much@ackerman....lol...thank you for sparing my inreview life...lol...I hope you dont think i care THAT much about being on here. This is just fun for me..to come on here and post my opinion, and see what an uproar all of you get into from just reading some measely words on the screen. If you ban me from this site....i will most definitely be ALRIGHT....ok? Its not the only thing i enjoy doing....TRUST ME ..i DO have a life...lol@I only have freedom of speech to a point. AND.lol@ affecting others freedom of speech. How do i affect anyone else's freedom of speech. YOU ALL have your own computers as do i....i dont tell you what to type...and you most certainly cant tell me what i can or cannot type either...lol...so i suggest you COOL IT! ..now watch one of you privately message me telling me im out of line for telling YOU to cool it..when YOU TOLD ME FIRST...lol...i love it ...hahahahaha....its sooo bias....

I dont believe it.

I have no clue why I just said that.

you are so...

imature!

lol...im just finally getting to read these forums...i was off in Vegas doing some writing and producing... but this season is over now..and the show finale spoke for itself....FAntasia won....LOL

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