Proof That The World Trade Center Was Deliberately Demolished.

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PROOF THAT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WAS DELIBERATELY DEMOLISHED.

EVIDENCE: BOTH OF THE TOWERS FELL IN ABOUT 10 SECONDS.

PROOF:

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All that one needs to know, to be able to conclusively prove that the Twin Towers were demolished, is that the towers fell in roughly 10 seconds, that is, that they fell at about the same rate that an object falls through air.

Anyone with a little common sense will realize that the top of a building does not pass through the concrete and steel that comprises the lower portion of the building at the same rate that it falls through air. This just doesn't happen, unless, of course, the lower part of the building has lost its structural integrity (and this is usually due to the detonation of a multitude of small explosive charges as seen in controlled demolitions).

The fact that the towers collapsed in about 10 seconds is a statement that the upper portion of each of the towers passed through the lower portion at about the same rate that it would have fallen through air. The fact that the towers fell this quickly (essentially at the rate of free-fall) is conclusive evidence that they were deliberately demolished.

Believing that there is nothing wrong with the towers collapsing so quickly, is roughly analogous to believing that people pass through closed doors as quickly as they pass through open doors.

The fact that they fell at such a rate means that they encountered essentially no resistance from the supposedly undamaged parts of the structure. That is, no resistance was encountered from any of the immensely strong parts of the structure that had held the building up for the last 30 years. From this one can conclude that the lower undamaged parts were actually very damaged (probably by the detonation of a multitude of small explosive charges as is usual in a controlled demolition).

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Okay, I can explain this one easily... I'm English, there's a biiiiig bit of water between us, and for some reason, that means we all talk differently... so, the WHOLE building fell down in ten seconds, or just the bit above the big hole? cos that's what it looks like on the .gif

yeah...sandy is right

To answer your question -- the WHOLE building fell down in ten seconds

A jumbo jet full of fuel slammed into the building at a very high rate of speed, and then caught on fire. There was no need for additional detonation. That would have put a hole in just about anything.

I will post a thread that you should know about that shows that what you are claiming is very much NOT TRUE.

i think this is a very poor claim for it to be called "proof". . .
so the top of the building collapsed and portions of it went away from the building, therefore nothing was infact providing resistance to the rate in which they fell. While the middle was collapsing at a slightlly slower rate there was so much debris in the air you couldn't see the middle of the tower . . . the outside pieces may have hit the ground in just 10 seconds but the tower did not totally implode. Also the "Believing that there is nothing wrong with the towers collapsing so quickly, is roughly analogous to believing that people pass through closed doors as quickly as they pass through open doors." line was not totally bogus if i am running and i hit a door that is not latched i am going to pass through it damn near as quicklly as if there was no door there at all . . . if this made no sense i appologize but i believe all of these claims are bunk.

your nick says it all. this theory is just 'awful' and nowhere near the 'truth' as far as i'm concerned.

bfro! how'd you hear about this place???

(I'm the one and only sayzak)

This is easy enough to disprove from the video footage alone. If explosive charges had taken out the foundation, then we would have seen the building collapse from the bottom up. In reality, the building collapsed from the top, down. No matter how much "common sense" is ringing in your ears about the speed of falling objects, there's no possible argument against this that doesn't end up with the conclusion that you need to find out more about the physics involved with that collapsing building before you continue to rant and rave about the underlying conspiracy.

I'm not one to say conspiracies don't exist, but I am all in favor of actual evidence. Personally, MY common sense tells me that I don't know a darn thing about the dynamics of a million tons of steel and concrete falling to the ground and at what rate I should expect to see if fall, but my guess would be that it's at exactly the rate observed in the collapse of the twin towers.

You mean those planes I saw fly into the buildings didn't really exist? I'll be darned. I guess I need my eyes checked because I could have swore those two planes knocked down those buildings.

Lets leave the physics aside for a moment. Check this out: if the building was demolished thru the use of explosives as it's usually done when destroying old buildings, then somebody had to enter the building during after-hours and plant the explosives on all 100 floors. Taking into consideration that the buildings were used all the time up until 9/11, then people working there had to miss the evidence of these explosives, for ex. repainted walls, etc. OK lets assume that Bush administration did find reliable men who did plant the explosives in the building covering them so professionally that staff didnt notice the changes. These sky-scrapers are very strong and are not that easy to be knocked-down, no doubt about that.... As heather outlined in the above post, 2 jets full with fuel would be more than enough to bring these buildings down, no matter how strong they were. It's surprising that these buildings stood for such a long time before actually falling down into dust and debris - i would expect them to fall down right away.

Now, do you think it's possible for american president to plan a attack on america, which would take 3,000 lives of american citizens, disrupt the economy the way it did, and so on? NO, ITS NOT POSSIBLE.

Topic closed.

PROOF THAT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WAS DELIBERATELY DEMOLISHED.

Call me crazy, but I thought this was obvious.
Didn't recall lightning or King Kong around.

People are saying there is an Islamic conspiracy to destroy America and Israel.
I think that is a conspiracy that is proving itself to be true.

But then again, call me crazy.

When you hear the word 'terrorizm or terrorist', what do you think of? Islam or a specific country in the middle-east?

Islam, cancer of the human race.

what about the reports from firemen that were at the site who reported hearing bombs going off.

i bet you didn't read about that on ccn :P

there truly is a matrix of information which most of you don't understand. It is so easy to cover up anything in such a big country.

for example the video footage of the oklahoma city bombing which shows that Timothy did not act alone. Did you hear that on your mainstream news media? the media from oklahoma city covered it but guess what we are living in a matrix. The rest of the country and the 300 + millions were fooled to believe that Timothy acted alone.

you can download Alex Jone's "911: Road to tyranny" and get the whole coverup exposed. Download it free at the link below

http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

I will tell you why the towers fell like the did the planes hit the buildings somewhere near the top ( just for arguments sake say it was the middle of the building as long as they did not hit the top or bottom of the building it is OK), now when the plane hit the building it damages the outer structure and some of the support girders at the sides of the building and the further explosions caused the big girders that ran through the building to weaken in essence what happened was that the area of the towers where the planes hit collapsed several minutes before the rest of the tower, when the bit that collapsed could not withstand the extensive damage and the weight of the building above it the whole thing gave way.

The reason that the towers fell quickly and vertically is simple they were designed to do that, the belief was that if the towers were severally damaged by fire or something they may fall to the side and either damage the other tower or neighboring buildings not to mention killing thousands of passers by. So it was agreed that the towers be designed in such a way that they would fall vertically and fall quickly, much like an implosion, Canary Wharf in London and a building in Indonesia have the same system built in to them,.

It was the sound of the structure buckling and snapping steal beems from the added unequalized weight. It could be heard by the people in sorrounding buildings too.

I don't know where you're from, but I live in NY and was on Murray St. and the West Side Highway(2 blocks away) when the first tower collapsed. Trust me, there was no secondary explosion. Perhaps you should Google the WTC and have a look at the construction drawings. The floors of the towers were built with truss construction. That's why they fell straight down into the tube created by the structural outer walls. As a former architecture student I can assure you that this is why the collapse occured as it did. Normal post and lintel construction would have come down with a great deal more damage to neighboring buildings, so, ironically, on some level we were lucky that they were designed the way they were. I suggest you do some structural research.

Wether the buildings were designed to fall straight down or not, it remains that additional explosives were used to bring down the towers, so why are the Government not admitting it ?

Because in addition to hijacking the planes, Mr Bin Laden also hired ex US military mercenaries to plant bombs in the towers to bring them down. The government can only say so much, if it ever became known that people inside the military provided information about the war games around the time of 9/11 and were paid to assist in the attacks then they would look very vulnerable. It also doesnt look good when home grown mercenaries are available to the highest bidder.

Hawk- this forum is to discuss and explore theories, ideas and both popular and unpopular opinion regarding 9/11. Some can be labeled as conspiracy theory, but the intent here is not to try and make fun of those discussing said topics.

Thanks.

-HECK!

I'm familiar with all those arguments.

The planes loss of contact was reported within a very short time of the first plane taking off and other air traffic was directed away from them for quite some time before the impacts and flight 93 blowing up in mid air. So the hijacking had been reported with plenty of time for NORAD to respond.

The military have plans for when planes are hijacked, i find it hard to believe those plans didnt work on 4 seperate occasions over a period of 1 1/2 hours, and especially after the first plane impacted.

I was under the impression that the hijackers were not that highly trained, ie. the reports from the flying schools. I have recently read that a couple of them were highly trained Saudi military pilots, so maybe the others were 'stand ins', but the trail of evidence, the notes left by the hijackers and so on are very suspicious. Maybe the hijackers wanted it to look like a conspiracy.

It makes me a bit nervous living under a regime that i consider to be so manupulative, so i dont want to believe that the government is in any way connected to 911.....but......I cant help but be suspicious.

They do not have the support of the worlds muslim people and whoever is to blame, spreading that sort of stereotype will divide people more. Most people, in my opinion, are OK. Extremists, government and religious, are the few who have the motivation to push hatred this far.

Inside job with a little help from as fruit says, "mercenaries." Always thought so, always will. The people "leading" the USA, at present, are not patriots, they are traitorous cowards.

Something was needed to divide this country in order to destroy it. 9-11 has proven to be that event.

There are so many people in the United States government that hate Bush, that if there was even one ounce of credible proof that the government had a hand in this, they would use it to crucify Dubya.


To buy into these theories, you would have to believe that every democrat and every republican was "in on the conspiracy ."

Not everyone was involved...I am not convinced that even Bush Jr. was "in the know." But just like the ones who murdered JFK, they got away with it, didn't they?

The thing is these towers suffered a vertical drop and like I have said before they were always designed to do that. If however we look at the theory that mercenaries were involved then they would have to have been skilled mercenaries for two resons 1. any kind of vertical drop takes a lot of planning those people wouyld have had to visit those towers pretty much every day for a few months to plan this they would aslo need unrestricted access to all parts of the building if the plan was to be succesful. Now I don't know what security was like before the attack but I doubt that people could wander into any part of the buildings no questions asked. 2. Lets say they are ex military they would not be an explosigves expert more likely a demolition expert and believe me these guys are not triained that much in vertical drops more just getting the obstacle out the way.

Also one other thign two towers two drops where hell did the explosive come from? because you are going to need a lot of explosive to carry out that kind of op

So what you are saying is that you would only need to place explosives in the floors the plane hit. HOw exactly would that one work? these guys had never flown jumbo's in thier lives yet you are assuming that they could hit an excact predetermined floor in that building that would be impossible for an expert pilot. Plus if the plane did hit the exact floor and that floor had explosives in it you would have secondary blasts coming from that floor.

I dunno, I think it's a silly theory myself, but people are entitled to thier opinion. Fruit seems like a nice person, posts in the Matrix Club. And I know nikiTa is a nice person.





You know, ABC aired a special not too long after the Towers Fell, and it was footage of the firemen in the lobby after the planes had hit. You could hear the bodies dropping outside from people jumping. It was quite sickening, I had a rough time watching it.


But there is hours and hours of footage, from the lobby, from every network filming the outside, from home video vacation shots,

just so much out there. If there were timed explosions, they would have been picked up.

lodgebo

Oh, so 6 months of flight school would not have made the grade?

Hmmmm....interesting....because what we hear on our "telly' is that these "mercenaries" learned how to fly in 6 months. Wow, they must be a quick study.

whidden

How do you know this?

From your TV, from the WAG the DOG production of the 21st century?

Desert Hawk and the Lord of the Twin Towers:

Do you actually think I read past these words, maybe a couple more words past, but come on....

Do you think anyone is actually listening or even cares what you two have to say on this subject?

I will use the only meaningful portion of the movie "V for Vendetta":

"BULLOCKS!!!!!"

Why isn't anyone discussing the missile <read missile> careening into the Pentagon?

The Missile that left a round hole in the exterior of the Pentagon....

knowing quite well that a crashed airplane would not leave a round hole....

And why wasn't the ground disturbed at its entrance into the Pentagon?

Because it was a missile, not an airplane!!!

Who builds these missiles? Who deploys them?

Do you think Osama had this capability? Think again.

The video of which I refer too. It's in arabic, so I have to rely on what the translators over at CNN are telling me.


Edit: I read it again, and the Bush administration translated it. Still, somebody had to translate the damn thing.


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/...aden.videotape/

Yes, thank you, Whidden, for this portion of the official rendering of the WAG the DOG 9-11 production.

Yes, I do hope the US Arabic version seen here really says these things too...but I am sure with the lack of CIA Arabic speaking resources...it must have been difficult finding someone who could pull it off as well as they did.

The story was reported by CNN, not exactly the best friend of the Bush Administration. The story is from december of 2001.


Plenty of time for CNN to confirm or deny the arabic in the tape. If CNN is in on this whole conspiracy too, we should all just give up and watch Fox News. I know they will tell me the truth.

The building fell because of the design and not anyone knowing how to topple it. Nobody expected the structural failure that was to come, not OBL, not even the architect.

But 2 towers just magically fell...that's some odds...

Well when the first tower fell most people would have expected the second to fall, I mean if a plane hits tower one and it collapses then it does not take a genius to guess what's going to happend to tower 2 which has just taken the same hit.

Why even bother you have no intention of even considering any other possible actions. when you open your mind I might try until thenI have no intention on wasting my time with you.

Lodgebo,

Sorry, if by my words I have in any way made you feel that I am not considering any other possible actions on 9-11 and that I do not have an open mind to what you are saying...IN FACT, QUITE THE OPPOSITE.

You are pointing out some misconceptions that many people are overlooking and basing their opinions on the very twisted and confused language regarding 9-11..

And if anyone is close minded and not considering any other possible actions may have occurred on 9-11...you can point to the ones who have bought the government and media line on this from the beginning...those who bought the book "The 9-11 Commission Report" either literally or figuratively...and have moved on...not wondering, if as you are pointing out, as well as fruit and I, that all does not add up.

Again, I find myself guilty of giving conclusions ... going from A-Z without enumerating points B to Z.
Again, sorry, if you think I was mocking you...not my intention.

Look at these items:

1) You state that whoever pulled off 9-11 must have had great skill to have pulled it off....

Whereas, in America, we are told that these perpetrators learned their "skills" during a 6 month flying course in Florida.
Six months?
Even if they were skilled pilots before 9-11, and they wanted to learn American aircraft...the question remains...were these people skilled pilots before 9-11. The verbage given to us by the media and the government is far different than what you suppose. (At least that "information" given out until now..perhaps this "information" will change if the 'powers that be' see the error of their verbage)
And quite frankly, did Al Q'aida recruit trained pilots for this, I mean, if they were trained pilots..how much different are the planes in the US than a trained pilot flying a 747, or whatever, in the Middle East or Europe???

2) You bring up a good point about folks and the "guessing game."

Whidden, brought out the fact that there was a video showing someone looking alot like the OBL we know saying that the destruction "went beyond his hopes."
Now, be honest, if your entire intention was to bring down the twin towers...wouldn't those who wanted to do such a thing have learned from the 90's bombings? And wouldn't those perpetraitors wanted to have put their "best foot forward" to make it so? Would anyone intentioning for this to happen, have said, that the dirty business went beyond their expectations...if in fact their goal was to bring down the Twin Towers?

All this verbage above and the verbage that the government and media have fed us point to one thing:

Doublespeak is alive and well in the 21st century.

And I don't know if OBL and Al Q'aida are masters of the puppetry and doublespeak...
but, I do know for one thing...the Western World, North America and Europe are not only the Masters of Doublespeak, they are the kings and queens of Doublespeak...

So, really who brought these twin towers down, anyway...??
perhaps, we can have an open mind to at least open up the discussion at that very point without jumping to the conclusions that are put forth by those who buy into an "open and shut case."

Apology accepted although I may have been oversensitive.
I have read your reply and took in what you have said however it appears on point 1 we have got out wires crossed.
When I refereed to people with great skill I was not referring to the pilots of the planes. I think it was fruit who was talking about mercenaries using explosives to create an implosion and vertical drop, that would take great skill something that even the highest trained demolition experts in the military do not have. So that's what I meant when i mentioned great skill.

However to answer the points you posed about the pilots, personally I think they may have had some flying experience and the course in Florida was nothing more than a revision course for these guys.

As for waht OBl said I don't think he meant the towers falling when he mentione better than expected. 3000 dead, US in a complete state of terror and disarray, Planes grounded across the world, global markets suspended and various Islamic groups and countires joining him in the Jihad he has declared on the USA, I think thats what he meant when he said better than expected. OBL was not stupid and he knew that the towers would fall if you smashed planes full of fuel in to them it wsas all that followed that was the bonus.