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I AM SO SAD. I'm going into mourning.

Here I was...one John away from being so very happy (sounds almost prostitutish doesnt it? )

Anyhow...needless to say...they picked the wrong one. If I had a choice...mr. happy snapper would have been gone for good.

I hated seeing JPL go....

I wish him the best...and I hope to see him on a comedy series...thats where he belongs anyhow...he'd make a terrific comedic actor.

WHO IS THE BOTTOM 3 AND WHO'S OUT?

I'm stunned, and I won't be watching tonight... thank you so much, it is good to know what happens early...

My sources say

Diane Degarmo
John Stevens
John Peter Lewis.......

are bottom three, Poor JPL is out. What will it take to get Mr. Finger snapper out?

I'm not a JPL fan, but I was sort of shocked to see him go, because the two weeks before this one, I thought were his weakest performances, yet he was never in the bottom three. Yet i thought this was his best performance and he ended up gettin voted off.

No way! JPL got voted out? I just can not believe it.

JPL is not an american idol. he could barely carry at tune half the time. he belongs in a rock band

But he was not the worst one last night.

Cripes, this really pisses me off. JPL is an amazing singer, but obviously America cant see that.

See another San Diegan that likes JPL. Welcome to the forum Yellow Card girl. Two of us mods are in San Diego.

I won't be watching Idol anymore. :-( Not even Barry Manilow night.

wow that is a surprise ... both Johns in the bottom 3 along with Diana and Diana surviving!!!!! I'm not surprised that out of the 2 Johns that JPL went because all John S's fans must have loved the fact that they got to here John S sing a golden oldie finaly...

I actually thought that JPL had a large fan base and with Diana's aparent bad performance i thought either her or Jasmine may have been the favourites to go! I also liked JPL more than i like John S so i am sad that the wrong John is going as well.... but theres hope now that he may go soon since he did finally make it to the bottom 3.. even though most probably this was the one week where he didnt deserve to be in it!!!!

hip hip hoorayyyyyyyy....i told everyone he wouldnt win...my prophecy is coming to pass....fantasia WILL win....next week ...i predict that diana will go home... lets see....

Well it seems like for the first time, the bottom 3 seems correct. However, did anyone see the thing going on between John Stevens and Diana? They were like holding hands the whole time while sitting down and also when they were standing up. I thought it just looked really cute. However, as much as I like John Stevens, I think it's time for him to go really soon. I just feel, although he as a lot of talent, this competition is just not for him. I really do hope that LaToya wins the whole thing though. She did amazing last night...and she's really consistant.

The bottom 3 was definitely correct this time!!!!

We were nor al happy with the outcome of tonghts results show. Buttttt the people who voted for Diana and John S carried the night.

I know that OBAF has been a very strong supporter of John Stevens so I am jappy for that fan,

I am happy for me as my Homeboy, George, missed the cut even after a not so good performance.

I personally liked JPL a heck of a lot more then the stiff litttle Diana and was shocked to see JPL's fans didn't pull him through. He was entertaining, and thats why I watch this show.

John Stevens found his niche and the public gave him another chance.

The over "IMO" dramatics of Fantasia were just not my cup of tea. Why would a song like Summertime bring out all those tears?
Now if she had sang Ol Danny Boy, now that would have been different. i felt she over reacted and I hate the tears flowing, its so non professional. Blech!

Jenn was very good, Latoya is a pro, although I feel she is head and shoulders anove the rest in experrience, which is obvious, not a strong night for her INO

I mentioned this on another thread and it should be said again as its something I feel very strongly about. The ages of the youngest ones. They are far too young for a life like this, with the constant demand for their time and singing and running around and rehearshing like 24/7,

There should be a limit of at least nineteen and a graduate before being thrust into the Merry Go round of a show biz.career.

Look at Britney, she is a perfect example, trying to outdo herself running like a lunatic, getting married for a lark.
She is now ntohing but a old young wouman who has to undress and be sexxually expliciiit for attetnion.

I don't think its fair. For goodnes sake, a few more years of a normal life and studying your a rt, wouldn't hurt,now would it?

Now for the guest Stars ie contestants that were runner ups in prioe Idol's.

I enjoyed seeeing Tymara and Christian, but I hate the way Tymara looked and I hate the original songs bothooof them have recorded. I will spend my CD dollars on Clay Aiken and until I hear someone who can top him, it won't be me running to BB or Amazon to purchase doo doo.

Enough Delta, go play somewhere else.

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Well, I called it right last night... I said JPL, and it was. I knew that his time was coming.

I know JPL wasn't good enough to win it either but John Stevens was right to look pale (or rather - even paler) when he survived yet another week. At least he has a talent for modesty and being humble.

I know JPL wasn't good enough to win it either but John Stevens was right to look pale (or rather - even paler) when he survived yet another week. At least he has a talent for modesty and being humble. However, it doesn't make his vocal performances any easier on the ear each week.

Am I the only one who can't stand Fantasia? She's excellent and all, but its her attitude, I cann't stomach it. I think the right bottom 3 were chosen, and next week it will be John Stevens diana degarmo and the Jasmine. And I agree with mystic, WHen I heard Barry manilow, you can bet John stevens was estatic. right up his alley....

Well. I agree that my personel fav, Fantasia. will at least be in the top 2 or 3.
but as far as the bottom 3 goes, I was a little surprised that Jasmine was
safe and so was DeGarmo. Next wk., I feel, those 2 will both be in the bottom 3
and with Barry Manilow's songs.next week I wouldn't be at all surprised if
J.S. shines!!!!!!I can hardly wait!!!!

Bowfinger was a decent movie, but common! How could it be someone's favorite movie?!? Maybe that's why Diana is once again in the bottom three this week - liking that movie really defines her age, and made me finally realize that Simon had a point about the young singers. I'm no longer a fan of diana. And what's up with two people's favs being Finding Nemo! Great movie, but where's the originality?

I, for the first time, got so overjoyed when I saw John Stevens in the bottom 3! This means he's hanging on by a thread, and hopefully, he'll be history next week. I really don't care about who wins this competition, I just wanna see John gone!

As for the hands-holding thing. I think John and Diana have bonded behind the curtains. I'm guessing it's because they both know that they're destined to be voted off (and they're both the youngest on the show)...or maybe Diana just has a thing for red heads. See you all next week!

WAH!!!! I am so sad that JPL is out. Why couldn't Fantasia be thrown out? Her rendition of "Summertime" was horrible!

I am happy I found this thread. It is amazing reading the different perspectives of the contestants from people on here and the fact that people differ in who they like and who they don't like. It just goes to show that people are different and special in their own way. That is what I love about individuality. Since this is my first posting, I thought that I would give my view on the remaining contestants so that you people could get to know who I am rooting for

(These are not in any particular order)

La Toya is my favorite to win. I am a big fan of hers. She is classy and quietly confident and has a very nice voice. I am a big fan.

Fantasia is a very good singer but to me she seems too cocky. She is quick to give it back to Simon after he criticizes her, but accepts the love when it comes her way.

George has a great voice as well. I can really see him doing gospel music though. I think if he came out with a gospel album I believe it would be an instant top seller.

Diana has a good voice, what happened? Maybe it is the sick thing the past couple of weeks but I don't think she sang that Celine Dion song very well.

Jennifer has a good voice but her bug eyes and her facial expressions really bother me. She did a major improvement when she straightened her hair. She looks much better.

Jasmine doesn't impress me with her voice. I believe it is a good thing that she wears that flower in her hair or else she would be very forgettable when it came to voting.

John S. doesn't impress me with his voice at all. When I hear him sing, he always sounds flat. He needs to hone his voice a little bit and I think he will be alright. He gets compared to Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin but my wife was right. Dean would really make her swoon when he sang and John just doesn't have that yet. In time, it could come as he gets older.

As for John Lewis, good riddance. I did not care for his singing at all. I will give him props for giving entertaining performances and taking chances when all the other contestants sang "safe" songs.

One last thing before I go to give you people some thinking to do. Pay attention to the videos that the contestants do and the "on-stage" performances on the results show. I believe that the producers will show certain people near the front or focus on certain performers during the "on-stage" performances in order to get the public to implicitly root for them or vote for them as well. Just something to think about. Thoughts?

Well, thank you for reading this whole post if you did. Once again, these are my opinions and how can they be wrong?

You may now "fire away" when ready

I am SO mad, My VCR didn't record, and I didn't get to see Fantasia and thats all everybody is talking about, DOes anyone know where I can hear it, is there a site that has it??? oooo I can't stand her you could fit a bus in her mouth

I think she is arrogent. there is just something about her personality that rubs me the wrong way..I just don't care for her. she seems cocky. I think I totally lost respect for her when she kind of poo-poo'd what simon said, and I think that was wrong for her to do, even if he IS mean and brutally honest, it showed lack of respect. anyway thats my insite of her..,,, and you are right, I have a big nose, I should talk!

I didn't watch it last year, I got into it this year. I just don't see it being confidence..I don't know...just don't like her. she IS talented tho, I'll give her that.

Although unlike the rest of the world, I'm happy that JS is still around, I am shocked and disappointed that JPL is gone.

I saw him today on Seacrest's OnAir and he's a GREAT kid and a really good sport. ( Seacrest had him dancing and break-dancing. )

It wouldn't seem so, but he is very, very polite, well-spoken and has his head screwed on straight.

He is a musician too (guitar), has a rock band of sorts, and said he is going to write some more songs and hopes to record an album asap.

Now ... about last night's results. I am presuming they called on them from the Top vote getters down ... so that would be:

Latoya
Fantasia
George
Jasmine
Jennifer

Diana
John S4
JPL


Does that look right to anyone based strictly on the performances this week ?

I'm going to leave George out of it because he's Delta's homey, but

L@@k ...

Jasmine got more votes than Jennifer ? Unbelievable.

Jasmine hasn't had a really good performance since early on, and Jennifer just gets better.

I guess Jasmine picked up the Hawaiian and Phillipine ethnic votes she and Camile were splitting ?

Do you think John Steven's will pick up JPL's votes ?

I don't. I think JPL fans and others will now blame John S because JPL is gone just like they did with Amy and they have done every week.

It's sick.

I am starting to really not like this show any more.

I am tired of having Fantasia and Latoya shoved down my throat. Just tired of it. Tell them all what they did right, what they did not so well and how to improve. Keep it fair.

Even Quentin Tarantino says to Jasmine someting like "I'm a fan so I don't care if it wasn't very good" and to JS4 he says "I'm not a fan but you did good." I don't give a flying featherduster who HIS favorite is. He SERIOUSLY swayed things in Latoya's favor especially with the "3-word" thing. HE directed the results and telegraphed the bottom 3.

Sick.

mystic re the "blame" ... it's just that people kept saying it should have been him instead of Amy ... like HE had a choice. It is the fans fault/choice.

We have a little gap here because I prefer different people than you do, but still, to say to one "well that wasn't your best performance" and to another "that was just terrible" is really not fair.

Delta sorry ... I gotta' use George.

For QT to say to George, "you made me forget why I hate that song" and then say Jasmine was ok because he's a fan ... and then tell Diana "so what" is a damn crime.

Truly, Diana although not great, IMO sang "better" (on key, no pitch problems, etc.) than George or Jasmine -- and you know I'm not a fan of Diana's.

Fantasia, Latoya and to some extent George are always given strong praise, with maybe a tough comment from Simon ... but not as tough as they come down on the other ones.

I am telling you, listen to the comments. It is totally geared to having a black woman win. They want it to be Fantasia and they play Latoya and Jennifer off against her. ( MY favorite of ALL the female finalists happens to have been Jenn from the start.)

I think John Stevens, Jasmine, and Diana can see it too as did those who preceeded them. We all see the handwriting on the wall. It's no fun for me ... I can imagine what it's like for them.

absolutely in agreement, the handwriting is on the wall...

this is really gettin crazy....Why are people taking it to a black and white issue. The reason why Fantasia, George, and LaToya are still on the show is because they can actually sing.... and Jennifer is still there because of LUCK. The other people on there just happen to be talentless..and they are not all white, but it just happens to be that the people who are really great are all black... Don't take it there people....noone was complaining when there were little to no black contestants in the previous years of american idol...

I do think the judges want Fantasia to be the idol, but I do not believe race has anything to do with it.

I honestly think that Fantasia and Latoya did a very good performance last week. Jennifer will probably stay a little longer but i am not sure if i want her to be the American Idol. She sings good but i think she will lose because of her attitude. I am not a big fan of Jennifer Hudson, but as i watched her performance every week, i do think that she has made a lot of improvement on her voice and her style. Good for her!

I agree that the judges want Fantasia (I don't) I would like Latoya or Jennifer, BUT MY favorite is george, BUT he is not the best singer.... as far as it being a Black issue, they are just TALENTED thats all. I do not see it as black or white.

I think Fantasia and Latoya are in one class, George and Jennifer in the other, Jasmine, Diana and John Stevens in yet another.

Fantasia has amazed me time and time again with her stage presence and singing ability. Her attitude i feel is more exuberence than cockiness. She is afterall just 19. There have been times when she gives back to Simon her 2 cents worth that I'm not in accordance with. Still, i believe it's just her and if simon does not take it personally (which I'm sure he doesn't), i don't see why we should be so bothered.
Having said all that, she's my favourite to win.

Latoya can sing and I like her. She has class. She's 25. Ppl tend to grow-up with age. She'll get a recording contract anyway so I'm not too bummered by having to place her as the runner up.

George I personally like. He has a great attitude and he comes across as being very humble. He has a good voice but no where as powerful as the two above. I wish him well and I'm sure he'll do well.

Jennifer has improved. Still, I just don't like her. She has a tendency to **** her head to the side with her mouth open. I think she looks retarded. Still, she has done well the last two weeks.

With Diana, Jasmine and John Stevens, I agree with simon. It's age. I believe JS will come into his own when he is older (if he is still singing). Jasmine is sweet but that's it. Diana is rather like an overgrown doll.

All the best to all the contestants.

Why are people so quick to make everything a race issue. If a black woman wins it is because a black woman deserved to win. Out of all the contestants left who can outsing latoya, fantasia and jennifer. I like george too and I don't think he sounded bad. He definetly was better than jp and jp and the judging proved that. The singing on this AI is better than the other 2 seasons combined. Get over it folks? Why does it always have to come down to black and white?

karenwoods...you couldnt have summed it up better...i feel just the same exact way you do....i have nothing more to add....except John Stevens is really going to put me into a coma if I have to endure another one of his dry, boring, no-emotion performances....this is it...i know for a fact either him or diana this week will go home...then who ever is left standing...their number will be called next week...lol...

What I said was NOT about race.

I never said it was a race thing.

What I said was that they

want a black woman to win

and that it is geared that way -- and HAS been geared that way right from the start.

The top 32 was put together as were the Groups of Eight, and even the Wildcard selections to head in that direction.

They want a black woman to win not because of race ... but because they have

Kelly Clarkson
Ruben Studdard
Clay Aiken

and a black female is conspicuously missing from their stable. Additionally, they don't WANT more Kelly, Clay or Ruben types out there as competition. That would be stupid.

To their credit -- and I give them very little credit -- they also responded to the public with this. Many people felt Tamyra and Kim got shafted in favor of lesser talent. I also believe they pre-selected a Frenchie/Ruben run-off last year but had to go to Plan B.

So yes, it's a talent thing but skewed. The black women are quite talented and that is exactly how they set this up.

What they couldn't control with their set-up they now control with their comments.
Here's an example, and again this has nothing to do with race. Personally ... I think Diana and Latoya are about equally talented. As I said I think both are off-the-rack and I am a fan of neither, but Diana will get the non-connection comment but Latoya doesn't connect either, and they don't tell HER that.

When Fantasia has a bad night Simon criticises her dress.

Jennifer knocks one out of the park, and Simon "motivates" the Fantasia/Latoya fans with the pins in doll comment.

By the way, people get mad when someone talks about looks ... but how about Jennifer ? She is a pretty girl who can really sing but people are hung up on her unusual facial expressions which are a result of nervousness and totally correctable. Maybe if she would wink and blink like one of last year's standouts it would be acceptable, huh ?

So again, the producers decided that this season they wanted a black female to win. From day one they have been saying "Fantasia".

If she wins -- it is not because we picked her -- it is because they picked her before the show started.

Hey ... Fantasia, Latoya, and Jennifer could become the new "Supremes" !!!!!

Actually, it would really be fun to hear them do something like that I'll bet they'd be GREAT ... but who would be the lead singer ? Hmmmmmmmmm

Now I remember why it took so long for me to get the courage to post. I think I'll go back to lurking thank you very much

First let's put it back in context.

What I said was NOT about race.

if there was a white woman on the show that sung EXACTLY like Fantasia, she would be the next best thing since sliced bread. everyone on this board keeps saying it is not about race but when reuben was kicking clay's behind it was about race(Reuben was ostracized) and when kelly won the first idol, i did not hear the race card drawn at all. IT IS ABOUT RACE. If it was not, it would not even been brought up. DANG, why is it a crime if a black woman wins??!!!! The producers have not fixed anything, if that was the case JPL and JS would have never been allowed into the top 12. The bottom line is popularity and who is going to sell records. Clay is not sellng to an urban audience. The last time I checked Billboard's top 20, I did not see Clay's name but I did see Reuben's. WHOMEVER wins needs to have a crossover appeal and so what if Fantasia seems a little cocky. Most big time singers are cocky and arrogant except for maybe Beyonce but the rest of them are all Divas. Leave the girl alon, she has the chops to be cocky if she wants to. If I could sing like her, I wouldn't be ashamed to stand up for myself. The girl has IT and she is going to go far if she wins AI or not.

i liked ruben more than clay. i can't stand fantasia because of her bad attitude. i hope she does get a singing career started, i just hope she doesn't win AI because i'm not a fan.

you're just making much ado about nothing, stricklebiznes.

just because you like the way she sings, doesn't mean that i have to. and just because i don't doesn't make it a racial issue.

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