Give power to the imposed Iraqi council? You've got to be kidding!

Iraq Forum

Bremmer isn't ready for democracy in Iraq or it seems free speach. Whatever was in Al-Sadr's newspaper, shutting it down in March was exactly the kind of thing the Iraqis are going to say that Saddam would have done. No wonder then that Al-Sadr's is getting wide support from the dispossed of Iraq, the Shiites from the slums of Baghdad and elsewhere.

The Iraq’s Minister of Communication, Haider Al-Abadi, was not consulted before Al-Sadr's paper was shut down. Considering the death and destruction caused by this action, it seem utterly ridiculous and stupid that no-one from the occupying force consulting the very people we are supposed to be giving power to in just a few short weeks.

Does anyone actually believe that the Iraqi Governing Council have any real power? Not only will the IGC have no control over security but certain laws that have already been passed allowing the selling off of Iraq's industry to private business is off limits to the ICG.

Here's my opinion on that issue. Right now...there is NO DEMOCRACY in Iraq. We are an "occupying force" so to speak over there and until the trash is taken out and an interim government is put in place, that is how it is. There is no "freedom of speech" until order is restored. We know how to behave. Right now anarchy is the rule of the land there- and that newspaper was printing stuff designed to inflame and put in danger...both Iraqi citizens and coalition forces.

They were right to shut it down. Later on, when things are stable- normal- and that is years later, things will be different.

Just my two cents, not that I will change your mind!

WE CHOSE the people on the Iraqi Governing Council. I presume they are Iraqis so maybe know more about the Iraqi people that Bremmer (if he was in fact acting off his own back).

We then close a newspaper without consulting anyone on the IGC, a newspaper with a tiny circulation. This stunning stratedgy leads to a Shiite uprising, kidnapping, hundreds of Iraqis dead, and dozens of coalition troops dead. So why was it Bremmer closed the paper down? Because he was "printing stuff designed to inflame and put in danger...both Iraqi citizens and coalition forces." Well we certainly did a better job of inflaming the situation than Al-Sadr and his newspaper ever could.

How much has to go wrong in Iraq before Bush allows the UN to take charge? Allowing the British to take over would be a better option. Even Sistani, the man we cannot fall out with, even others on the governing council are starting to condemn the way Bush is dealing with the Iraq people.

The Iraqi people don't want Democracy. This is evident. They want an Islamic Government and that is what they will get.

I think our mission is complete in Iraq. We were wrong. These people only want misery and to live in the stone age with psycotics guiding their path. They cannot survive without violence. It is all they know.
My opinion is that we should leave them to it. They don't want us there or our help. They are destined to be ruled by a murderous government and I say let them have what they want. It's obvious that we cannot help them without their support.
I say let the Arabs deal with it.

No, we're not kidding.

There is much truth in each of your statements (those of you whom actually made one). However I tend to agree most here with USA and I think it foolish given the history of that region to believe otherwise. It's like we didn't even expect this out of them.

This wasn't a well thought out process by our governing leaders. I think they were overwhelmed by the personal perks and completely missed the bus on this one. Some people simply don't want to democracy and it's their right to choose not to do so.

I say leave them to their own devices. Unfortunately we can't simply just pull out now, but we have to make a calculated pull out for our own sanity. From what I've seen so far, I just don't have any confidence that Bush could even pull this off without somehow screwing it up.

What about fighting the terrorists in their nest?

next. it's just the first serious difficulty emerging now.
"The war is a too important thinh to be left to generals". A Iraqi government should have been installed before you always find people who're ready to work for you.

They may be in any Islamic country, so attack all.

they could be in canada too

They'll help I think. Indonesians - I don't think.
That's the criteria - to attack or not.

This is what I was afraid of. Our actions in Iraq has proven to be a miscalculation and now you want us to storm into another country just like we did Iraq?

I'm all for fighting terrorist, however we have to find a better approach than that we took with Iraq. I know it there were others that are now there but the world knows it was Bush that pushed the process and although we have nations there after the major war they didn't participate in the initial invasion. It gives the appearance of unilateralism on the US's part and that's why I believe it was the wrong approach.

Saddam was not a threat to anyone when we invaded and we should have given inspectors more time. But being so bullheaded about Iraq, it served a purpose that would contradict our efforts.

We must find a way to appear justified in our actions. I don't believe Iraq will become a peacful place. There are too many ingredients working against it. Certainly as long as the US is there it won't be because others will come to strike at us.

We need someone with a real plan and not one so shortsighted as this one has been.

Bush's heart is in the right place, but his brain is in his... well you get where I'm going with this.

He's got the gusto to be a great leader, but not the wisdom.

I think that too Dekka. I also think he is influenced heavily by those around him like Rummy and Cheney. The more I see the more I believe that he was duped by these guys.

Now some will call this "leftist" however when you examine this, it really doesn't sound unplausible. How else could you explain why Bush would only testify in private together with Dick Cheney to the 9/11 commision?

The US is going to run from Iraq like a bunch of wimps. I feel bad for the dead soldiers but i laugh in Bush's face for what he has done.

You are a bunch of idiot fools if you think this is going to work. Iraq is going to be an embarassment to the US for years to come. Bush will be exposed as the moron he is. Many soldiers will die for what BUSH believes is right. The Iraqi people don't want the Americans in their country. Yes, they wanted Saddam gone but they wanted the US gone immediately afterward. The job is done. Iraq is screwed. People like myself will sit back laughing their ass off at what's going on while at the same time feeling sorry for all innocent lives being lost, whether it be Iraqi, American or otherwise.

All you morons who are still convinced everything has been and is going to be great should take your eyes off your shielded western media and start reading the real news. The BUSH administration is exposing themselves to the rest of the world for what they really are; a bunch of bullying, moronic idiots with dreams of world domination. The US will never rule the world as their plan dictates - and don't deny this plan; it is well known world wide.

The Iraqis are pissed for the same reason everyone else would be. If the US tried to impose their way of life on me i'd do the same thing. No one wants to live "The American way". The American way appeals to one audience and one audience only...the idiot class of america, many of which frequent this board.

I am in constant contact with Americans as well as people from many other countries around the world from the East and the West and one thing is obvious... either people hate America and it's way of life or they are the same lunatics and idiots that file a lawsuit against MacDonalds because the food made them fat.

The rest of the world sits back and laughs, cries and hopes someday someone with a brain larger than a pea and a heart made of more than paper mache will someday take office in the USA and once and for all end this ridiculous mess you've got the rest of the world in.

I find it appalling that even the people on this board who appear to be intelligent still fall for this pro-war propoganda you government feeds you. These "letters from soldiers" and Condi Rice's asssurement they could do nothing pre 9/11 are nothing but a bunch of crap. READ THE REAL NEWS.

It's amazing that so many in here are quick to discount a foriegn news source simply because it's not American. These foriegn news sources are not Middle Eastern - instead they are simply not american - therefore they must lie. Get your heads out of your asses and wake up to the truth.

One thing you can be certain is that NO media source in the US will EVER expose the real truth only because they are not allowed to... or it is not custom. Most of the media moguls in the western world have political interests - why would it not turn out this way?

I, for one, will not be fooled. Donald Rumsfeld, George Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Condi Rice and more all make up a team of living devils. They will be exposed for what they are someday. I only hope it's not too late.

You want a better Iraq? Get the HELL OUT NOW and let someone else deal with it. Using force is not the answer - you're fueling anger.

A small uprising? Please. Don't kid yourself. The Americans are running scared over there. Sure there are the commando types who insist everything is great. Wait till they end up dead as well. Did they have to die? No. It is a shame. I hope they don't have to. The US has started just what it wanted to but alas it is backfiring. The US will run out - wait and see.

The just desserts are cooking. I only pray for the soldiers that are there and hope that the truth will come out someday but history tells us that even if it does the US government will try it's damnedest to make sure their people do not hear about.

God Bless. Peace.

At present, the only thing I wish is for people on the ground to be back home safe. The rest, letters from pro-war soldiers, armchair warriors' comments the like of Curley Joe's ones - who never went in the army, I would bet on this - are propaganda attempting to divert attention from the real growing danger in Iraq.

At present, the only thing I wish is for people on the ground to be back home safe. - I 100% agree!

The rest, letters from pro-war soldiers, armchair warriors' comments the like of Curley Joe's ones - who never went in the army, I would bet on this - are propaganda attempting to divert attention from the real growing danger in Iraq.
- I heard Curley was actually a member of the Bush administration!

[QUOTE]Does anyone actually believe that the Iraqi Governing Council have any real power?

obviously not

I heard Curley was actually a member of the Bush administration![QUOTE]

that explains a lot, I feel sorry for the Americans if this is true

good for you

Donald ??? is it Donald duck??

Well, nobody says it's easy.

The US borders have been already secured: creation of Department of Homeland security, finger-printing in ports of entry, etc.

But anyway, you can either sit behind walls (secured borders) and have to fight perpetual terror attacks or go to beat terrorism where it resides.

Some countries will co-operate, say, Canada, some won't. Those exactly are the countries to be invaded and their regimes to be changed. It's no point whether there is democracy in Iraq or not. The point is whether they allow the terrorists to reside in their countries or fight with them.

Curley Joe said in one post that the US is currently using 10% of their military power. Since it was enough to beat Iraq, then potentially the US may attack 10 countries like Iraq at once.

Don't forget that the US mobilising capacity is something not less 80 million (if all the males in fit age join the military).

An AK costs $100 ? For you $100 is the price of a dinner out, but for an Iraqi its a good monthly salary. But you should to have more money to buy ammo...

The terrorists don't allow France to stay aside of fight with terrorism also. Remember the railway blasts? France doesn't have troops in Iraq. But anyway it was attacked.