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The coalition has been surprised that so few iraqis are surrendering, and of that they haven´t cared about Rumsfelds advises that it is not worth dying to fight for this regime. I have thinking about this a lot. I´m quite sure personally, that if our capital was under threat, I would fight until death. Wouldn´t you americans do the same? Is the will of the Iraqi people to fight until the bitter end such a strange thing after all? With all means possible, with power of despair?

I personally am not suprised at all. I am suprised at the ho hum attitude of some Americans

You have to consider the news that the people in baghdad are hearing. The Iraqi minister of Info comes on Iraqi TV and tells them they(iraqi's) are winning, that the coalition is no where near baghdad, etc... If you were living in a city or place where you have been threatened and/or oppressed for the past 25 years, you would not dare go outside running for the coalition saying you surrender, especially if your family is being threated with death if you do not fight. It's well noted from the first gulf war that several thousand people from the southern iraqi cities who welcomed the coalition in 1991 have gone "missing". How could we expect everyone to come out and surrender before they see us with their own eyes.

the finns fought galantly against the russians when finland was invaded, but i do not think the finnish govt. was holding guns to the heads of all the finns doing the fighting. that and cold weather destroyed the russian advance. finns were willingly defending their homeland, can the same be said for the iraqi's? p.s. do you know where Kemi , Finland is?

I'm glad you guys are starting to figure it out! Thats what we're doing, LIBERATING A PEOPLE that have been so repressed that they can't fight for themselves. The true Iraqi people not the Resime.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by grets
[B]the finns fought galantly against the russians when finland was invaded.

Pardon...Russia didn´t invade Finland. We made peace with ruskies in -44. We lost a lot of land, but stayed independent. In fact during WW2, there were only three capitals never gonquered: Moscow, London and Helsinki(count out neutral countries).

And that Kemi is in the northern part of Finland, close to swedish border.

Why does it seem some people are surprised that the Iraq leaders go on TV and say they are winning the war? I mean come on, what else can they say? Yeah I can see it now, Saddam will get up and say: "We are getting our butts kicked. We are out-gunned. We are relying on gorrillia type tactics where possible. We really have no hope of winning. But please throw your lives away and help protect my back while I flee the country. Thank you and good night". Yeah that will happen.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by grets
[still trying to this day to get some land back. why not just take it?
And your are standing in the Mexican soil. Why don´t the mexicans just took it. Be reasonable.

vepsu- since you believe the un is the solution to all problems, why doesn't finland file a complaint with the un, have it debated, and all the nations will tell russia it is not theirs. then finland will have to wait until the un ENFORCES its resolution. see? it can be done peacefully!

The Iraqi people are decieved. We come to liberate them from a great evil.

When we kill all the soliders then the people will rise up in one voice and exclaim their Joy!

everyone thinks all the iraqis are against this war because that is what you are being showen on arab tvs but not all iraqiis are against this and want there country and freedom back and not have to be worried about being prosicuted , tortured or killed because of there religeous beleifes or there beleifs period. This also has been shown on tv so get all facts not just a few to back your mixed up opinions and totally unrelieable remarks. no one likes war but no one also likes to be tortured,killed or beaten. Fine line huh.... Not everybody is anti-american and if you beleive this you are blind and yes i was over in the middle east in the service also and seen what was happening and going on so get all your facts straight and quit your whineing and pray for all involved on both sides not just one side in gods eyes we are all equil in his eyes.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by grets
[B]vepsu- since you believe the un is the solution to all problems, why doesn't finland file a complaint with the un, have it debated, and all the nations will tell russia it is not theirs. then finland will have to wait until the un ENFORCES its resolution. see? it can be done peacefully!

As you very well know, we Finns usually keep the agreemenst we have made. So after the Paris peacepact 1947 that area belongs to russia.
Old finnish saying: Don´t try to hold it, when its already in your trousers.

Been there many times - and to Finland! Nice place.

I think the big tragedy there was the Russians continued their storm after peace accords had already been signed...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Charles
[B]Been there many times - and to Finland! Nice place.

I think the big tragedy there was the Russians continued their storm after peace accords had already been signed...

Please, explain...?????

A millennium ago, the would fought many wars, one civilisation wishing to dominate a weaker one.

A millennium later, the world scenario remains the same. Within the span of a thousand years, we still not have learn any lessons, if at all.

Well done guys, we are already part of this unjust world - kill or be killed!

People see what they want to, and ignore the rest. That is the main problem. I think in this modern world we have begun to change that though, and look at the wider picture. People can change if they want to, we just have to make them want to.

As long as humans have the desire to grow as a people, there is hope.

It was the idea the Egyptian had sometimes ago, as well as the Greeck, as well as the Maya, as well as ....... all civilization ...

Check what was the Muslim culture sometime ago ...
At the same time, check what the "fanatics" Christians were doing against the "infidel" ...
Check what is the Christian/west culture today ....
Check what the "fanatics" muslim want to do with their "Jihad" ....

- wrong way I know Rage and GuyFromPakistan as well as the crusade/inquisition was wrong ..... -


History is an endless renewal .......