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Posted by: schmiggens

I see people, children and adults, all the time on the train reading Harry Potter books, and obviously this forum is booming so you all must love it. The author is writing more and more books and they are planning more and more movies so she can make more and more money. So obviously it is popular and doing well, but I just don't see it.

I read an extract of I think the first book in a magazine or something and I have picked up and flicked through other books but I just don't "get" it.

It still seems a bit kiddy-book to me, and even though I loved the Hobbit and LOTR Books and generally like sci-fi/ fantasy books about witches and things like that I just can't get into the Harry Potter phenomenom.

Did I just miss the boat? Should I have started reading when everyone else did? Is there something I am missing in the whole deal? What is it that appeals to you (adults) all so much about what was intended to be a kids book? Do you read Roald Dahl and Dr Suess and stuff too or is this the only kiddy book you read?

I just feel maybe like I am left out. Should I read the books? Or should I see the movies? Will the book ruin the movie for me and vice versa?

Tell me why you love it so much.

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Posted by: gaboman

Yeah, sounds like you missed the board sch sorry

Hmm... well, for a lot of people, I think the appeal of the story is the mystery surrounding it all. Not only is there a small mystery in each of the books that the kids try and work out, but the on-going mystery about what exactly happened when (and before) Harry's parents died leaves every body scratching their heads.

Also, the aspect of the average hero comes in. Harry Potter is 11 in the first books and is mis-treated by his uncle and aunt... so, what happens? He finds out he's not only a wizard, but the most famous who ever lived... I guess it's exciting for some people to think "wooooow! That could have been me"

I guess you'll need to read the books to get it. I'd suggest to read them before seeing the movies, but if you can't be bothered reading the books, then just see the movies, and if you can't be bothered with that... then... don't

PS. I read Roald Dahl sometimes, but not Dr. Seuss. I do like L. Frank Baum, Lewis Carroll and CS Lewis though (and Tolkien).

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Posted by: Lawless

Jump in the boat... go get the first book. It won't cost much. Or, go to the library, and check out the book.
It's worth at least saying that you TRIED, right? What have you go to lose?

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Posted by: Maja88

It's too bad that you've already got an impression on the book, schmiggens, not by reading it, but just by listening to people talking about it. Now you have some expectations about the book and if not everything you expected is there, you'll be dissapointed. You should try to read the book pretending you've never heard of it. Don't know if it will work. But, you can try, you've got nothing to lose, like KJ said.

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Posted by: fuscia

Emma, read the first book. Don't expect it to be Tolkien because there was only one J.R.R. Tolkien. What you need to keep in mind is that the books get more complex as you go along. There are a ton of mythological references in the books. Ms. Rowling has created her own universe where we have to make choices about our own destiny. I was given the first 4 books as a Christmas present. I read the first one, it was cute. Read the second one, it was better. Third one I had Harry Potter mania.

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Posted by: gaboman

Yeah, I caught the mania around the 3rd book too. It really graduated from being "just another kids story" around that time.

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Posted by: schmiggens

Well there is new library opening across the road from me in two or three weeks. So I will make it a priority to go and get the books out. I guess I should give it a chance. I see and hear so many people raving about it as well, so it must be something good.

Thanks for your opinions guys.

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Posted by: fuscia

Emma, let us know what you think when you finish the third one.

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Posted by: Lawless

Emma... just check out one book at a time. Don't feel rushed.
Have an open mind as you read it... because it isn't a kids book.
It's an book for all ages... and it's so good!

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Posted by: fuscia

after you read the books, watch the movies. Harry is so cute, and the casting of Hagrid is perfect.

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Posted by: gaboman

No no no sch, when you read it, expect it to be ridiculous, crazy, childish, unfunny, not exciting and entirely not mysterious


That way you will be totally and utterly surprised

And back to what Sherry said, read all the books before seeing the movies... that way you may have forgotten all the events of books 1 - 3 and will be surprised when everything happens and scared!!!

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Posted by: schmiggens

Well I am kind of mixed, half of me expects it to be bad, the other half thinks it should be good becasue everyone else seems to think so, but I will try and keep an open mind. Once I finish the book I am reading now, I will seek out Harry Potter and see what all the fuss is about.

I'll let you know if I am converted or not

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Posted by: siriusblack

Who is Emma?(the nickname)

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Posted by: schmiggens

That's me.

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Posted by: Lawless

Emma is schmiggens. Those of us on staff tend to call one another by our real names, or to the people that we've become close friends with.

Emma, I'm so glad that you're willing to at least TRY to read Harry Potter.
I don't know how you CAN'T become a Potter-head!!

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Posted by: gaboman

Yes, it's good you're willing to give it a try

I'll call Emma Sch for as long as I'm here... sch is actually Emma in parceltongue

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Posted by: schmiggens

parcel tongue?

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Posted by: gaboman

Err.... err.... errr....

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, you'll find out

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Posted by: schmiggens

Come on! In-house jokes! Not fair.

I will have to read it now.

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Posted by: agent mike

I'll agree that the first book is somewhat child-oriented, but its themes are accessible enough to get you hooked. From then on, the books become darker, funnier, and show just how deep a universe Rowling has actually created. New characters are always interesting and never 2-dimensional, and the growth of the main trio throughout the series is not only credible, but fun to read as well. Whilst the films are fun as well, they sadly can't quite capture the wealth of detail and complexity that the books boast. There are also so many hidden clues to future plot twists that even if you're reading the books for the tenth time, you're bound to spot something that you didn't realise was of such significance on your first reading.

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Posted by: schmiggens

Question:

Will playing any of the HP games on PS2 change the way I think about HP before having read the books?

In other words - Are the games any good? Are they true to the Books/ Movies?

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Posted by: gaboman

The games are alright, but they'll give you no idea on the books/movies themselves. You'll just run around and go to wizard classes and play Quiddich... They're kind of aimed at kids, but they're fun none-the-less. I think Kris said she didn't like the Quiddich World Cup game, but I only played that a few times, so I can't say much about it.

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Posted by: Lawless

I would say no, Emma.... I would just go and get the 1st book, and start reading.

Come on... you can do it. You want to do it. You know that your deepest desire is to become a Harry Potter fanatic with us cool people.

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Posted by: gaboman

Yes yes! Stop procrastinating!

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Posted by: schmiggens

I am not procrastinating. I am going to get the book, but my b/f got a PS2 for his b/day and we've been hiring a lot of games and I saw the HP game there and I just wondered if it might be any good. So I asked.

I WILL GET THE BOOK. Promise.

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Posted by: adityamahesh

Go schmiggens!!!

You read all the 5 HP books and I will listen to Toxic. Deal?

M.

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Posted by: schmiggens

Sounds like a plan to me!! I am on the case.

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Posted by: gaboman

加油!
Jia Yo!
Add Oil!
You can do it sch!

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Posted by: fuscia

Emma, read book one, then you can see the movie.

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Posted by: Heatherhobbit

Wonder if Emma ever did read the books? Does anyone know?

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Posted by: gaboman

Nope, I asked yesterday, and she betrayed us all. Betrayed us I tells ya!

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Posted by: Heatherhobbit

Traitor!!! Oh well, her loss.

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Posted by: fuscia

SHAME on you Emma! That is it. If she ever reads the books, she goes into Slytherin.

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Posted by: adityamahesh

I was going to make myself listen to Toxic once she read the books. Oh well.

M.

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Posted by: peregr!n

quote:
fuscia said this in post #33 :
SHAME on you Emma! That is it. If she ever reads the books, she goes into Slytherin.


At least I will have a buddy!
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Posted by: fuscia

Pip, you belong in Ravenclaw.

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Posted by: peregr!n

Too close to Cho!!!! Way too close!!

And I can be evil to Draco, and blame it on my house!

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Posted by: Oliphaunt

What do you mean Pip belongs in Ravenclaw? I thought only clever people got in there. But really you're our spy in disguise, aren't you Pip, if you're making them lose points! Yay!

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Posted by: fuscia

quote:
Oliphaunt said this in post #38 :
What do you mean Pip belongs in Ravenclaw? I thought only clever people got in there. But really you're our spy in disguise, aren't you Pip, if you're making them lose points! Yay!


Burn! Oh she is either your best friend in the world, or someone you really cheesed off Pip.
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Posted by: adityamahesh

Oliphaunt is her best friend.

M.

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Posted by: gaboman

Oh I was guessing someone pip cheesed off Mainly because I get people following me around telling me I'm not intelligent too (shhh... but they may be watching us right now... speak very very very quietly)

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Posted by: adityamahesh

So any idea if Emma is going to redeem herself?

M.

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Posted by: peregr!n

quote:
fuscia said this in post #39 :


Burn! Oh she is either your best friend in the world, or someone you really cheesed off Pip.


My best friend. She makes out that I am a horrible person. Mean girl......then again....I will get her at school! Muahahahahahahahaha!

I think they should have an evil laughing smilie!
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Posted by: Oliphaunt

quote:
fuscia said this in post #39 :


Burn! Oh she is either your best friend in the world, or someone you really cheesed off Pip.


Both.
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Posted by: Oliphaunt

She's not horrible really- well, most of the time she's not. And she did get me at school - she rugby tackled me and I flew in the air and rolled down the slope. Well, something like that anyway...

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Posted by: peregr!n

Uh huh. It was fun.

Sweeeeet sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet revenge!

Ok....back on topic!

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Posted by: schmiggens

Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry

As Grant said, I didn't read the book yet. I was going to get a copy to take on Holiday with me but I didn't. BUT .... it wasn't my fault.

I was going to borrow a copy of my friends daughter, but she had taken the book to her mum's house and lost it so I couldn't get it off him and they are the only people I know who own the books.

So, I have to go back to Plan A which was to wait for the local Library to open up. Which unfortunately, they have pushed back four weeks due to bad weather. But as soon as it's open, I promise I will get it out and be in here blabbering about it one way or another.

Promise.

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Posted by: peregr!n

Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!

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Posted by: adityamahesh

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schmiggens said this in post #47 :
Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry

Promise.


We need another line of those two.

Just kidding Schmiggens.

I hope you like them, whenever you get around to reading them.

M.
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Posted by: peregr!n

Like them...*in big scary voice* OR FEEL OUR WRATH!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Posted by: fuscia

quote:
peregr!n said this in post #50 :
Like them...*in big scary voice* OR FEEL OUR WRATH!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


No, she just has to hide if she does not like them.
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Posted by: schmiggens

I have finally ordered a copy of the first book from a book club (only $10.00 - Bargain) so I will soon be in here and be ten years behind all you guys.

But the movie of the first book is on on Saturday. Should I watch it or will it ruin the book for me?

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Posted by: Oliphaunt

Don't watch it! It's not very good anyway. But if you want to see it then just record it or rent it out later on. But yes, it would ruin the book for you.

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Posted by: schmiggens

I GOT THE BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be on the look out for me posting stupid idiot questions that you guys have all figured the answers out to years and years ago.

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Posted by: Heatherhobbit

quote:
schmiggens said this in post #54 :
I GOT THE BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be on the look out for me posting stupid idiot questions that you guys have all figured the answers out to years and years ago.


Cool! Once you get past the silliness and get into the plot you won't be able to put them down. Be on the lookout for the little things. The series is one big mystery.
Happy reading!
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Posted by: schmiggens

Nasty Nasty Muggles, not telling Harry Potter he was a wizard
I know what a Muggle is!

Yeah, reading Harry Potter. It's quite good. Sort of what I expected, maybe slightly better than I expected.

Wondering ... will joining up for your RPG ruin the surprises in the next books? I notice that the introduction says that Voldemort has returned (I assume he returns at some point in the books then?) so will there be other spoilers?

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Posted by: gaboman

I doubt it, the only character that has really made an appearance in the RPG is Dumbledore, as well as a little mention of the Malfoys... I can't really think of anything that'd be spoilt at least.

Glad you're enjoying it it does get a lot better though, so keep going once you're done with this one!

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Posted by: schmiggens

Finsihed the first book. Ordered book two and three as you guys suggested. The first one was OK, a little bit kiddy-ish, but that's what you said it would be, so I'll will reserve final judgement for after these two books.

Question: Why is Voldemort a "Lord"?

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Posted by: adityamahesh

That is what that freak calls himself. Lord Voldemort, The Dark Lord. And who are we kidding, he has plans of World domination. No wonder he calls himself Lord Voldemort.

You will know the source of his name in the second book.

M.

p.s. The books become more mature as the series progresses.

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Posted by: schmiggens

So he's not actually a Lord as in related to the Queen or anything?

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Posted by: adityamahesh

Although we don't know much about his ancestry (except a certain fact of paramount importance), I doubt he is 'officially' a Lord. Muggles don't normally make Lords out of freaky looking barely human wizards.

M.

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Posted by: Heatherhobbit

The first two books are very kiddie-ish. Things start to change in the third, and then the 4th book is definitely for older readers.

And no Voldie-poo isn't a real Lord. Telling you why he calls himself that would give too much away.

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Posted by: Miniluv518

it's never too late to get into the HP books, trust me.

three years ago, I was completely against everything about the books. I'd read the first one (and secretly liked it) but still wrote them off as "juvenille" (and this was when I was 13!). Then one day while I was really bored, I stumbled across the second book, started reading it and could. not. put. it. down. Within the week, I had read books 2, 3 and 4, and was addicted.

why do I like them so much? The first book gave me a really warm, satisfied feeling. I'm not sure how to describe it. And all the other books really suck you in. Once you start reading them, you can't wait to find out what happens to the characters next. Rowling does a really good job of making you care about the characters - there've been many times throughout the series where I've had to stop to yell or kick something or to cry. And Harry's world just feels so....I don't know, perfect that you want to be there. The books mature along with Harry, so don't judge the whole series by the first one.

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