Understanding Jews, Arabs & Islam

Israel & Palestine Forum

Most Jews know the 4,000-year history of their nation. They revele in it. They always have. Oh where to start. Mount Scopis or Mount of Olives? Mount of Olives, It has more historical significance, both past and future. Imagine that, Future history. Only in Jerusalem. Upon visiting this Holy site, one can notice that there were only white limestone tombs, set in tight rows one right after the other, descending all the way down to the valley floor. There is a hotel’s entry and façade at the base that were built from the tombstones of Jewish forefathers. Muslims seem to relish defiling anything holy. This is the favorite cemetery for Jews, or at least it was before the Muslims sullied it. That’s because the scriptures say that the Messiah will descend from heaven right here, on the Mount of Olives, and then enter the city through the Eastern Gate. Those buried here think they’ll be the first to rise when he comes......Returns.
Now one can look to the blocked Eastern Gate. It is all so close, a matter of a few hundred yards. The reason so many Muslims are buried on the rise leading to the old city, on the other side of the Kidron valley, is that they want to prevent the Messiah from entering Jerusalem. That’s also why they sealed the gate with stones centuries ago.
These guys are so stupid they think they can stand in the way of a divine being, one powerful enough to descend from heaven. I have trouble coping with the Muslims’ tendency to abandon reason, even in death. I digress. Anyway, lets talk about the Dome of the Rock. It dominates the view. I think we should call it the Dome of the Hoofie Print. You'll understand in a minute.We all know that the only reason it’s here is for naah-naah-na-naah-naah value. Why not call it what it really is? For gloating rights. You know, to taunt Jews. It’s there for the same reason they built that ugly hotel from their tombstones. It defiles the sacred site—the only sacred site. It’s not only meaningless to their religion; it’s an embarrassment.Here it is:
One night in Mecca, Isaac began, Muhammad was snoozing when, he alleges, the angel Gabriel, the archangel of the Hebrew Bible, offered to take him on a wild ride. Muhammad says the two hopped on an imaginary beast called al-buraq and scampered northwest to Jerusalem. This al-buraq thing, a donkey or jackass, or whatever it was, was flat-out fast. According to Muhammad, each stride soared as far as the eye could see.They make it all the way from Mecca to the Temple that night, about nine hundred miles,But not to that bilious blue and gold number. To the Jewish Temple, although Muhammad called it a Mosque. That ugly thing was built to celebrate the Celestial Journey.Unfortunately for Muhammad, though, the story’s got a hitch or two in its gety-up. For starters, his favorite wife Aisha—we’ll talk about her later—claims the boy never so much as left his bed that night.”
And it gets worse. The Muslim revisionists, in trying to keep up with the Joneses, or the Jesuses as the case may be, felt the need to manufacture a miracle or two. They sort of embellished the nature of the mythical beast. Al-buraq changed from being a cross between a donkey and a jackass to a hybrid winged steed, with the tail of a lion, the back end of a horse, and the torso and head of a woman.
Muhammad claims that he meets with Abraham, Moses, and Jesus in the Temple/Mosque. ’Course, Abe would have been twenty-seven hundred years old, Moses, a couple thousand, and Jesus, six hundred. And there’s a slight problem with the building itself. As in, there wasn’t a Temple at the time!! It had been torn down in 70 A.D. by the Romans. Minor details.
This is Muhammad’s account of what happened and is dutifully recorded in the Hadith, and in his own words. Oops.
Yeah. So anyway, after chatting for a while, big Mo thinks it would be really cool to go up to heaven. That in itself is intriguing, since he never made a heavenly voyage from Mecca, it proves what I’ve suspected for some time. You can’t get to heaven from Mecca. According to Muhammad, Abe, Jesus, and Moses are all real timid. They’ll go to heaven but not all the way up to the top floor.
Maybe that’s because Muhammad’s idea of paradise is drinking and great virginal sex. But our hero wants to meet the big guy.
So Mo, confidently astride his mach-two buraq, gives him-her-it a kick in the side and bounds heavenward. The dome was built over the hoof print the magical beast is said to have left in the stone as it leapt skyward. The blessed hoofie print! Oh, and don’t forget Gabe’s grip marks. They say you’ll see them on the rock too.Huh? Muslims claim Mo had a magnetic personality. The rock—which by the way isn’t a rock but simply the top of Mount Moriah—tried to follow the Prophet skyward. Gabriel had to hold it in place so it wouldn’t fly away, crash into heaven, and give Allah a black eye.If it weren’t so sad, it’d be funny. This is straight out of the Hadith of al-Bukhari, The True Traditions—Muhammad’s own words, for you doubting Thomas's.
Oh, and catch this..The Prophet finally makes his way to the seventh heaven and meets Allah for the first time. What do you think they talk about?Muhammad asks the Big Guy about what kind of mindless ritual he likes best. You know, butt up or butt down when bowing, how many times a day he likes it, and what words he wants repeated so often they become irritating and can be muttered without thinking.
Gives a whole new m-meaning to the term ‘moon god’ !
That’s what Mo says Allah wants. So then on the way down from his chat with Allah, who was the moon god, by the way, he bumps into Moses—still in the lingerie department, I presume.Moses tells Muhammad he’s been ripped off—that fifty butt-ups is way too offensive, I mean oppressive, too burdensome on his terrorists. I mean the Islamic faithful. Moses sends Muhammad back to negotiate. Allah, overwhelmed by the Messenger Boy’s magnetic personality, changes his mind and cuts the number of butt-ups to forty. Back down in lingerie, Moses is not impressed. He shoos Mo off to do better. Isaac took over. They repeat this process until Allah’s head is spinning. He’s so impressed with the service Mo is providing his people, the Big Guy cuts the Prophet a deal he can’t refuse. He acquiesces to being mooned a paltry five times a day. I know it sounds ridiculous, but really, from virgins in paradise to mooning a god so dumb he changes his mind willy-nilly—it’s what they believe. Read al-Buhkari’s Hadith, Book of Merits, Chapter 42. Prophet-Boy’s got a vivid imagination. The story goes on for seven pages. And the other mosque? The even uglier one? Why is it there? Now, the black dome. Aqsa Mosque is its name. Actually, the Dome of the Hoofie Print isn’t a mosque. It’s a shrine, like the Ka’aba in Mecca. The uglier one, the one under the black dome, is called the ‘furtherest’ place. Some Muslim conqueror was positively certain that as Muhammad stumbled around in the darkness that imaginary night, this was the ‘furtherest’ he ambled from Mecca. Naturally, they built a mosque over it. And it gave Muslims the opportunity to defile all of Temple Mount rather than just some of it. But to add insult to industry,the Muslims are building another mosque in the southeast corner, Not only are they obliterating great archeological sites that scream out not to be molested, but they are in danger of collapsing the southern wall of the old city. Right through three thousand years of our history.It really pisses people off. And for this elaborate tale alone, for this dream, they claim the right to possess Jerusalem. They call the Temple Mount their third holiest site, after Medina and the black pagan thing in Mecca. Oh, yeah, According to the Muslims who live here, this place is so darn holy that infidels—that would be Jews and Christians—can’t even set foot on Temple Mount. Racism was alive and well. Now, I can almost guarantee that no Jew ever sold the Mount.The last time ownership legally changed hands was when King David bought it from Araunah the Jebusite for six hundred shekels of gold. It belongs to Israel. The Muslims are trespassing. They bought it, they developed it, they own it. But not according to Muslims Arab textbooks claim that they built this city. That lie is as obvious as Allah being called God or Muhammad a prophet. This is Moriah, the very place where Abraham was asked to sacrifice Isaac. The whole legacy is centered here. The Temple of Solomon was built here. This place is the heart and soul. Never mind that the only reason Muhammad even knew about Abraham in the first place was that the Jews were literate and committed his story to writing—twenty centuries before the unProphetable Prophet was even born.
Now the story behind the Ka’aba. I know that it’s more revered than the Dome of the Hoofie Print. One plays to their ego—one-upmanship. The other betrays their soul. Thanks mostly to Christianity, which arose out of Judaism, the enlightened world was principally monotheistic by the time of Muhammad’s birth. That is, with the exception of the nomadic Bedouins, the Arabs who roamed the Saudi Peninsula. In the center of their world was the backwater town of Mecca. And in the center of Mecca was the Ka’aba, one of the few remaining purely pagan shrines. The Ka’aba was just a small roofless building in a bad state of disrepair. It housed three hundred and sixty idols, mostly stones. They worshiped these rock-gods,Muhammad’s clan, the Quraysh, had the responsibility of caring for the rock garden. And like the High Priests who once ruled there in Judea, being in charge of the shrine had its rewards. Pilgrims were charged fees to put their god-rocks inside. They had to pay to have their holy stones fed, watered, and dusted. And then they were charged when they wanted to visit them. Muhammad’s father was the Ka’aba’s custodian. Read that again. His name was abd-Allah. It meant ‘slave to Allah.’ You see, long before Muhammad was even born, Allah was a pagan god. In fact, he was the moon god. That’s why he lived in what some think is a meteorite—a rock that fell out of the sky. Allah’s black stone was, and is, the top rock in the Ka’aba—the most exalted of the idols. Their moon god was believed to have lived in his own special stone, one that has quite a story.

Wait a minute, the God of Muhammad’s great monotheistic religion is a pagan moon rock, just one among hundreds of god-rocks? Fraid so. Read the big three: Ibn Ishaq, al-Bukhari, and the Qur’an. The rock in which Allah, the moon god, lived had three daughters. The pebbles were named al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manat. Ever hear of Salman Rushdie? He was a British novelist.
The Ayatollah Khomeini put a fatwa on him for writing Satanic Verses, a novel about these goddesses. Rushdie retold the account, the Muslim account, mind you, of how the Prophet felt so dejected, so tired of constantly being harassed by the pagan rock worshipers of Mecca, that he had a brain fart. One day, he tells the Meccans that it’s okay to worship the pagan goddesses in addition to the moon god, Allah. He even does so himself, setting a fine example. It’s all chronicled in Tabari. If there are now four pagan gods, how’s Islam monotheistic? Muhammad finally admits he screwed up. He claims Satan got to him, calling his earlier pronouncements ‘Satanic Verses.’ Rushdie didn’t make this stuff up. If the Ayatollah had studied religion rather than revolution, he might have known better. This is what happened.
He had these verses expunged from his Qur’an. Abrogated, in Muslim parlance. It means revoked and replaced by a newer, more rational explanation. There are a dozen direct or sideways references—excuses, really—for the Satanic Verses buried in the Qur’an. According to Tabari, the angel Gabriel took big Mo to the woodshed. But when he longed [not to be harassed] Satan cast suggestions into his longing. But Allah will annul what Satan has suggested. Then Allah will establish his verses, Allah being knowing and wise. Muhammad annulled his claim that Allah’s daughters were goddesses with these words from Qur’an 53:18. . ‘Indeed, he saw some of the greatest signs of his Lord. Have you considered al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat, the pagan deities? How can there be sons for you and only daughters for Him? These are nothing but names which your fathers gave them. Great, He went from being a pagan to being a sexist. How can a prophet be so stupid? He wasn’t a miracle worker. There were no ten plagues against Egypt, no parting of the sea, no tablets from God, no virgin birth, no healing lepers or giving sight to the blind, no raising folks from the dead, and certainly no beating death himself. According to Muhammad, he never performed a single miracle other than deciphering the Qur'an. No prophecies, no cures, no signs, no wonders.
Let me see if I’ve got this right. Muhammad tells the Arabs around him that the Jews got their history mixed up, and so did the Christians who followed them. The guys that actually lived the events, did the miracles, and proclaimed the prophecies got it all wrong, and the guy who did none of the above got it right. What kind of a fool would believe such drivel? Muslims.
Considering one point four billion people say they believe this malarkey, it ranks up there with the biggest hoaxes in history.But to be fair, I wonder how many Muslims are just pretending, going through the motions. It’s like living in a Communist country. If you don’t play along, somebody kills you. I wonder how many Muslims actually know what they’ve learned?
Elevating the moon god, calling the pagan Ka’aba a monotheistic shrine, and his screw up with the Satanic Verses weren’t Muhammad’s biggest goofs.There’s more to the special black stone—Allah’s moon-rock. According to Tabari’s Book of Creation, ‘Adam brought the Black Stone down with him from heaven. It was originally whiter than snow.’
From heaven? Yes from heaven. Why Adam? I thought Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, in Mesopotamia. They’re part of the Hebrew Bible, right? Right. And wrong, According to Allah’s Messenger, Adam was ninety feet tall when he was expelled from heaven. He had been created from ‘dust,’ ‘fermented clay tingling hard,’ ‘spurting water,’ ‘contemptible water,’ ‘a drop of semen,’ ‘an embryo,’ ‘a single sperm,’ ‘a single cell,’ a ‘chewed up lump of flesh,’ ‘extract of base fluid,’ or simply ‘weakness,’ depending on where you look. There are thirty creation accounts and twenty-two variations in the Qur’an. ’Course, this must all make sense, because Allah insisted there are no contradictions.” Adam found himself not at the headwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates but in Ceylon. Missing heaven, the tall guy stood on a mountain so he could hear the angels sing. But he frightened them, so Allah shrunk him and shooed him away.” If shrinking him eighty feet or so made a difference, their heaven must not be very high.
Ohh, but they changed that, too. They changed heaven? Yep. Their new rendition of heaven is great sex. Depending on whether you die a martyr by killing infidels or just barely make it in by saying the magic words, you get anywhere from two to seventy-two virgins. Non-stop whoopee. And what about the women? What do they get? Bad news, I’m afraid. Quoting from the Book of Belief, Chapter 17, verse 27, ‘The Prophet said: I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers are women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.’” Sounds like you can get to Hell from Mecca. Ungrateful for what? They are ungrateful to their husbands for the favors and charitable deeds they have done for them. Their Prophet said that Hell is filled with Muslim women that complain. So today they’re quiet, and live in hell as a result. According to Muhammad, Allah told Adam to search for the ‘Divine Throne.’ Adam, so his story goes, followed God’s mandate and journeyed to the Mount of Olives. Then, like Moses, he wandered in the Sinai. There he found mountains with ‘shiny black pyramids of rock.’ Adam then claimed that the Sinai was the ‘navel of the earth, round which it had spun as it came into being.’”(how did someone without a navel know what one is? ) So why don’t they covet the Sinai instead? There’s nothing there to covet. According to the Muslim account, one stone shone so brightly it illuminated all else—a perfectly white stone. Adam, of course, circumnavigated it, in keeping with Islamic tradition. Wasn't the stone black? They have an explanation for that too, but first I need to relate the alternate version. See, Muslims have a second account of how they came into possession of the great Allah moon rock. This version starts the same way, but Adam brings the stone with him from Paradise. According to Tabari, he also brought the staff of Moses. The fact that Moses wouldn’t be born for thousands of years didn’t seem to matter. Tabari claims that the stone was the jewel of paradise upon which Adam wiped his tears—Eve wouldn’t let him play with the virgins, I suppose. Adam put the stone on a mountain near Mecca, where it "lit up the sky like the moon.” Every Muslim is required to make a pilgrimage to the Ka’aba, to honor the sacred stone. They even make a big deal about kissing it. If we want to know why, understand their religion, this is important. According to Muslim tradition, Noah, another character out of our Bible, saw Adam’s body floating on top of the magical stone. Being a good Muslim, Noah sailed his ark around it seven times.
Why did it turn black? Read the passage from Sufi ibn al-Arabi. “‘The Black Stone signifies the spirit… Its turning black is from the touching of menstruating women and signifies its becoming troubled and angry.’ Some today say it became like Jesus and took on the sins of the world.” Who’d kill for a religion as silly as this? Oh yeah, and here’s the good part. After a long absence, Muhammad returned to Mecca to perform his last Hajj. According to ibn Abbas in the Hadith, the Prophet ordered his followers to do as he did. He first kissed the Black Stone. Then he pranced around it and the Ka’aba three times. His followers proceeded to walk the remaining four circles. Kissed it…And then pranced? Yep. According to Abdullah bin Umar, he always pranced. And every time he passed the stone he pointed to it and exclaimed ‘Allah is the greatest.’ He worshiped Allah, the pagan moon god, and his special rock. This is the foundation upon which Islam is based. And catch this. Umar bin al-Khattab was Islam’s second caliph. According to an account in the Hadith, even he knew better. Umar was troubled by Muhammad’s touching and kissing the black stone. It looked to him like pagan idolatry. So, Umar said, ‘No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had not I seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you, I would not have kissed you myself.’ Mind you, he’s talking to a rock. Muhammad evidently had that effect on people.
You see, every Muslim is required to make at least one pilgrimage, or Hajj, to Mecca and circumnavigate…whatever they call it…prance around the Ka’aba, and pay homage to the rock in which Allah, the moon god, was once thought to have lived.

And now, talk about Biblical Prophesies:

I read from Isaiah 57. ‘Whom are you mocking; at whom are you sneering and sticking out your tongue? You brood of rebels, you children of deceit. You burn with lust…you sacrifice your children in the ravine and under the crags. The idols among you are smooth stones.”
Now listen to this from Isaiah 59. ‘Your hands are stained with blood, you have spoken lies and given empty arguments. You conceive trouble and give birth to evil. Your deeds are violent, your feet rush to sin; you are swift to shed innocent blood. Your evil thoughts create ruin and destruction. No one who walks with you will know peace…. Truth is nowhere to be found for whoever shuns this evil becomes their prey.’
“And finally from Isaiah 42 and 44. ‘Do not tremble and be afraid. I will foretell what is to come. There is no God beside Me. There is no other Rock. All who make such idols and speak up for them are blind, ignorant in their shame. They will all come together and take their stand…but be brought down in terror and infamy.”

I kiss, moon, and prance around my TV - am i a bad person?

i'm sorry, i couldn't help myself....

Static shock to the lips, ouch! And who do you moon on the TV, or is it just the black screen that gets moned?

oops......mooned

umm that hot blonde chick on 24 (series on fox)

Have fun, i hope nobody takes this guy seriously.....

provide your version instead of one small comment - i wouldn't mind reading it, as long as it isn't the typical America bashing from a bias mind.

Im not going to waste my time reading this, i simply asked him in the other thread to show us Surahs from the Quran that orders Muslims to kill Jews and Christains, Did he? No he didnt,

He did give us Surahs telling Muslims to kill Atheists and Polytheists, but are Muslims killing them? I dont think so

I hope for those of you that are saying that the Arab countries arent doing anything to get rid of the Islamic Terrorists go watch the news, because there has been tons of arrests in the Arab countries, and im talking about in the Hundreds to Thousands.

oh yes, many countries are - but can a christian be considered an Atheist in certain terms? yes they could. By a twisted definition and not by the def of atheist...
yes, but you stated you hope no one buys this - some people may, but if you were to post YOUR version, as i read somewhere that you were muslim - or knew the faith well - that would assist your statement.

I'd be willing to bet that this info was unknown to TWBR before reading and he INSTANTLY rejected it. Just like he obviously rejected the countless quotes I gave him from several trusted sources clearly answering his questions. Oh well. It took awhile for a lot of things to sink in for me as well.

That thread was an absolute disgrace and an insult to the Muslim faith. It's disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm sure if I wanted, I could write an essay on the bible making everyone look that stupid. In fact, perhaps I will.

Oh - just to let everyone know - i did a little research and some of it may be an absolute disgrace - but there is some truth in it - I'll ask again, since its been called crap and a disgrace - I would like to read someone elses take on this..
you call it crap and do not defend the muslim face - As i told TWBR, i would read his version if he would post it - he hasn't defended himself against what he called "Crap."

Something that does make me sick though - the fact that Palestine's keep destroying artifacts of Jewish history - proof that the jews have been there since B.C. Which, palestine states that jews where not ever even there.

A lot of what he wrote in this thread, i already knew.

Im not very religious, i never read the Quran,

Where did you hear that the Palestinians state the Jews were never in that land?
That actually goes against the Qu'ran, The Quran talks about Israel and the Jews living in that land,

Palestinians destroying Jewish Artifacts? Is there any left? Was there even any? Remember that Muslims ruled this land for many years.....

I agree. It is an absolute disgrace......but it's true.. As dreamzwalker is suggesting, lets hear your version and or tell me where I was wrong.

P.S. - if you have never read it - how do you know what is in it?
From what people say? They give you the way THEY see the word, same with the Bible...it is always best to read it yourself - you never know when someone is twisting the words around to make you hear what they want you to hear.

I've studied this stuff for over a decade now.

Muslim time line

Iranian revolution (1979)
PLO founded (1964)
Arab-Israel war (1948)
Muslim Brotherhood founded (1928)
Liberation of countries from colonial rule (1919-1984)
Ottoman Empire divided among European powers (1918)
Layer 5: Modern Period (1918-)

Christian Colonization of N. Africa and Middle East (1815-1900)
Napolean invades Egypt (1798)
Taj Mahal completed (1654)
Mughal dynasty in India (1526-1857)
Safavid dynasty in Iran (1501-1799)
Christians drive last of Moslems out of Spain. (1492)
Ottomans conquer christian Constantinople, rename it Istanbul (1453)
Ottoman Empire (1380-1918)
Muslim States in Southern India (1350-1680)
Dehli Sultanates of North India (1200-1526)
Layer 4: The Later Empires (1258-1918)

Christian Crusades to the Holy Land (1095-1270)
Fatimid Dynasty in Egypt (909-1171)
Authoritative Hadith collections (800s-900s)
Twelver Shiism founded (874)
Ismaili Shiism founded (765)
Abbasid Dynasty (750-1258)
(map)
Shiism separates from rest of ummah (680s)
Umayyad Dynasty (661-750) (map)
Islam moves West across N. Africa to Spain, East to India, and north to Samarkand.
Layer 3: The Early Empires—Classical Islam (661-1258)

Ali (656-661)
(Map of Islam at Ali's death.)
Uthman (644-656)
Text of Quran established
Umar (634-644)
Islam moves West to Egypt, North to Syria, East to Iran.
Abu Bakr (632-634)
Layer 2: Formative stage—Four Righteous Caliphs (632-661)

Mohammed dies. (632)
Mohammed's followers conquer Mecca (630)
Hijra to Medina (622)
Mohammed begins receiving the Quran (611)
Mohammed marries Khadija (595)
Mohammed's birth in Mecca (570)
Layer 1: Origins—Mohammed (570-632)
Timeline of Islamic History

Jewish time line starts - thousands of years BEFORE this one...
this seems to be about the same across the board - multiple web pages... i checked at least 10 or more for continuity

Over a decade studying Islam? Well then.... of coarse you know why they haven't offered up THEIR rendition then. It's because they can't find one single flaw in my post.

Knowledgeable post And I will

lol - over a decade studying the history of both..more christian history then Islam, but i do know a great deal about Islam too, since i know Muslims that will answer questions - but they are friends, so i would not ask them anything they may be uncomfy with - if you get my drift.
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I knew about the rocks and that Black one etc...but you did state some things that I had heard about - but not as in depth as you had posted.

- I'm a Christian, but haven't always been ....And i hold nothing against those of other religions, faiths, or those that have none.
We all have a choice in the world - that is a gift that was given to us.

You are studying the Muslim timeline okay, but does that mean Palestinians couldn't have existed before Islam? They are and were always an ARAB nation (there is a difference!). Arabs were around way before Muslims. Palestinians claim to be descendants of the Canaanites who were there before Israalites, and the Philistines who were there about the same time.

But even if they were there first (Israelis) ....

WHO CARES?

That was thouands of years ago. As Britain owned many parts of the world under their empire hundreds of years ago could they now turn around and demand their land back?

Of course not, it's absolutely absurd.

sure, that was thousands of years ago - and that shows that the jews, have always been there as well. So, what gives Arabs the right to keep blowing themselves up?
Certain passages of the Qu'ran forbid such actions - yet they do it in the name of their religion, which is WHY Islam has been called a "violent" religion - the actions of those who claim they do this in the name of religion and in the name of their god, have conditioned the people of the world to believe it is violent - as that appears to be the only thing coming from the world of their religion.



I know that they do other things as well - but that is the reason they have been sterotyped as such.
If they change, it will change - but they must understand that as well as we.

My main point of posting all of that was this - they have NO proof at all that they WERE ever there. Jews do, they have several thousand years of proof - Arabs do not. I have never found any concrete information, but i would be willing to read the information if anyone would like to post some.
But, this information should come from a non-bias place or i will not bother reading it - any stuff i have found regarding this, seems to reference death to Americans, christians, and jews in the middle of something that seemed worth reading.

Arabs have lived in the land for a long time now, it has been an Arab state for thousands of years now, not a Jewish state. It was wrong that the Jews suddenly decided to come back and declare they should have it back.

The jews never really left - just others kept taking over
They were just attacked time and time again by Arabs (and still are today) - Thousands of years? show me the time line - I have backed mine up and i asked someone to post otherwise and no one will.
I wonder why that is...

I think they're beginning to get the picture.

At one point in this "Jewish presence" in Palestine there were app. only 2 recorded Jewish families living in the land.

Ye right, they "never really left."

There are many countries that Jews have "never really left" for thousands of years. After all their a religion, not a race, they scatter around the world. Doesn't make it their country does it?

Exscuse me, were their more Muslims or Jews at the beginning of the 20th century (in Palestine)??

Listen, i dont know who you are or where some one is feeding you all of that crap that you typed but you are wrong on so many points that it begins to make me angry. You are not even aware that to this day there is an enormous boulder floating above the ground at the site where Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) ascended to the heavens. the one where you claimed that"gabriel had to hold it back so it wouldn't follow..." you are ignorant trash, how about you visit that site since you know so much before putting a smart remark about a rock flying up to hit Allah in the eye or something. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT FLOATING ROCK??? ARE YOU IGNORANT? HERE LET ME POST FOR YOU SO YOU WILL ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN A DIVINE REMNANT OF SOMEONE THAT YOU HAVE DISGRACED SO MUCH, PROPHET MUHAMMAD(P.B.U.H) SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR UGLY PORTRAYAL OF SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT