John Pilger, Robert Fisk, Noam Chomsky, Micheal Moore, Peter Arnett

Post-9/11 Era Forum

You can all suck on my free, wealthy and peaceful Western backside.

I can't believe all these guys would rather attack the governments, establishments, people and leaders of free nations which are the goodness in the world rather than the evils of the world like Saddam, Al Qeda and Bin Laden.

What do these self haters of the world get out of doing it?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and self congratulation perhaps.

These are the sort of people from the West that give Bin Laden and others fuel for their anti Western or/and Jewish irrational anger. It is completely disgusting and if they hate their coutries and way of life so much maybe they should go pee off to somewhere else to write about it. I don't have a problem then.

What kind of person could seriously "only ever" attack Western things and "never ever" something like Islamic Extremism and Evil Dictatorships?

It just shows they're completely off their rocker and not even human beings searching for the full truth. They're morally bankrupt biased political media related slugs.

Keep hiding behind your walls and lies you scumbags of humanity.

Fred Hooper

i couldnt have said it better myself

Thanks

They do more damage than anyone in the West. People in the Arab and Muslim world know of them and totally believe everything they say. Mark my words and its a major problem. What these politcal commentators slugs are doing is very dangerous and irresponsible. Islamists have books of these commentators in their office for christs sake.

Fred Hooper

you should go read some of the for or against thread. some of those people make me sick to my stomach with their terrorist posts.

Its called Freedom of speech... That doesnt just mean YOU and ignorant bigots like you have that right it means everyone (Including Non US Citizens) in the US have it.... Democracy sucks doesnt it...

Marc

Democracy and freedom of speech is great but these idiots abuse it. Great responsiblity comes with great power. These people are one sided and don't have an ounce of balance to them. End of story son.

The abuse everything thats given to them. Gladly the majority realise this as well and don't take them seriously.

Fred Hooper

Another Cmosky drone. Whatever...hardly anyone takes them seriously unless you're a Westerner hater, establishment hater or potential suicide bomber to fill your bias or hatred.

They're a joke and let them speak. Anyone that doesn't see some kind of balance won't take them seriously. Just like we see today.

They're good for a laugh but are still dangerous and should show some balance at least.

Fred Hooper

Very well said marc1888

One thing that people seem to gloss over is that Peter Arnett didn't do any lying. The government hated him quite a bit when he reported on civilian deaths in Iraq during the First Gulf War. Of course he was telling the truth, it just wasn't the select part of the truth that the government wanted you to hear.

Thank god for freedom of speech.

Ya know, I didn't hear alot of blind support for the president when that president was Clinton. I liked him even less than Bush, but it's interesting that this "You should support your president no-mattah-whut" argument was never raised when he was in office.

As far as Chomsky, try reading some of his stuff before you denounce it. He knows what he is talking about, and is far from one-sided.

I'm alarmed by how it has suddenly become taboo to talk about such things. I've never trusted the government, is there some specific reason I should start now?

This is the same government who SOLD weapons to Saddam during the 80s, knowing full well what a madman he was and that he was killing his own people. The same government that has used it's muscle to maintain sanctions on Iraq that have resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths while only making Saddam stronger. So now after killing thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilians, either directly or indirectly, we are going to be their saviors?

I truly hope that this humanitarian effort isn't the murderous ruse that it was in Afghanistan. The only use our airdrops had there was to make a nice picture for CNN. At the same time we pushed out aid organizations that were the only thing keeping that country fed. Our ineffective humanitarian aid resulted in massive civilian casualities. Yay us.

As I was saying, I truly hope we can feed these folks and set up a nice governent for them. I truly hope we can leave this country in a better position than we found it. It would be a first.

My skepticism is fueled by the fact that no war has ever been fought for humanitarian concerns, even though this ruse has been used in the past to drum up popular support.

America should look to Pakistan and the Arab world to model itself on. America is so bad compared to these places. Just so bad!

They offer alot
1. No Free Media
2. No Free Speech
3. No Womens Rights
4. No Democracy
5. No Human Rights

The list is too long....some of those points need alot of work.

Fred Hooper

I've been to thirty countries including the Middle East. All nations involved in the war support it so bad luck son.

I don't think for the world. I'm thinking for myself and alot of people agree with my stance so whatever.

Democracy is democracy and the people in charge are elected to make the decisions. End of story and they have enough support to go through what they did in Iraq. When the democracies start listening to the feeble left who are nothing but a vocal minority, then the world is in trouble.

Fred Hooper

If you happen to have seen Chomsky and Fisk you will realize what brilliant intellects these people bring to your nation...what beautiful minds...America should be proud of them. They set an example for what America stands for...the courage to disagree with popular opinion...it is not easy to defy a mob...and they have given their lives to doing just that...speaking the truth even when people have been conditioned to not hear it...

I'm not American either for hells sake. The war is supported and thank goodness for those doing the business.

Everyone against this war of liberation will look like fools and apologise once its all finished just like every other conflict over the last decade.

Just keep complaining and do nothing. I know who I really have to thank for my freedoms and wonderful life.

Fred Hooper

I thank the entire free world over the last century. I wish I could see Iraq have what we've got here and it might turn out like out in the end. I truly wish them sucess, good leadership, democracy and most of all freedom.

Just because we won the World Cup doesn't mean you have to dislike me.

Fred Hooper

I do not know all of these men but i know that some of them are beeing crusified for just telling the truth or expressing a personal opinion. This crusifieing everybody with a diffrent opinion reminds me of Germany in the late 30's.
yesterday i saw a docu on TV that showed the birthtown of bush. In that town everybody was verry pro war. I saw women with a us flag T-shirt, pants and even glasses with the flag on it. They where talking about a man, the only non pro war guy in town. The man seemed verry reasonable to me. He was beeing demonized like hell. Police was harrashing him. How sad...