Where Are The Weapons Of Mass Destruction

Post-9/11 Era Forum

It is now 13 days into the liberation of the Iraqi people. We are 20 miles outside Baghdad. Bridge loaded with explosives undetonated, 7 killed in a van (all women & children) no weapons found in the rubble; hundreds of civilians dead, 23 American soldiers reported dead. Where is the evidence that the inspectors failed to find of the weapons of mass destructiion Mr. Bush? We were told emphatically that Saddam has them. Surely, 20 miles from the heart of the city, in all the bombed buildings, surely we've discovered these weapons of mass destruction that we went to Iraq to destroy. Surely, the people of Iraq are dancing in the streets that America has saved them. This whole "Iraqi Freedom" was one big lie! There will be hell to pay Mr. Bush. Where are your liberated happy Iraqi people...are they out burying their dead mothers and grandchildren. More importantly where are the weapons of mass destruction we MUST have discovered?

dont worry they will find them! when suddam uses them on our soldiers and his own people! the war is not over yet pal!

shhhh.....you must be wery wery quiet....we WMD huntin!

As what has been stated over and over that these weapons (if they do exist...which I believe they do) are hidden. Most are buried in the desert and various locations IN and AROUND the city of Baghdad.

Now...I ask you, if you were one of the soldiers/marines there on ground, being shot at or the threat of being shot at any moment...I personally would not be to ****ed worried about finding any WMDs as of yet.

I would finish the immediate threat FIRST....then

shhhh....you must be wery wery quiet...Ima WMD hunting.

Btw, if you haven't had an opportunity to see it on several newsclippings and tv news....in the northern area of Iraq there was a raid of some sort and some documents and traces of "believed to be" chem/bio lab items were found. The items, from what the newspaper article stated, were sent somewhere to be tested and reviewed.

The compound raided, was rumored to be a Terrorist Organization Camp, which from what Saddam had stated (correct me if I'm wrong) do/did not exist in Iraq.

Now, depending on which side of the fence you sit on...this can all be considered propaganda lies or merit of potential truth/evidence.

I call your attention to the "It is believed to be part" of the believed (no proof) part of the discovery of the chem/bio lab that I have the problem with.

It is the "rumored compound" part of the "believed" to be terrorist organization camp that I take issue with. Again, there is no proof, but propaganda to keep the faithful focused on the theme, "liberate and destroy". In all the destruction of the many bunkers that have been destroyed around Basra, Nashriya, etc. The troops should have "stumbled" across EVIDENCE...did I say evidence...not believed to be...not rumored to be, but Evidence of WMD.

hey mr. usa47 ithink you chose the wrong nickname for yourself--isnt it supposed to be IRAQ47? please correct me if im wrong..

You must excuse usa47, thats what crack will do to you.

Its easy to try and dismiss the truth when one doesn't want to face the fact you that you cable166 and Bushfan can be lead by your "tails" like sheep. Since when did it become "unamerican" to question the obvious? "CracK"...Bushfan, you have once again proven what you are!! I dare you question my loyality to the USA, what I question is its leadership. What I question is needless dead and destruction. More Americans should get their head out of their $%@! and ask questions as well, rather than act like sheep being lead to slaughter...but then again you sit at your keyboard and sprue venom at anyone who poses a legimate question when its my son in harms way needlessly! I stand by my question, "I'm waiting on PROOF...not conjesture, not rumor, not believed to be...I'm waiting on proof, that this deboggle called "Freedom Iraqi" hasn't been a lie! Too much blood has been shed and it cries from the ground... Liberate who...and Destroy what... Show me, Mr. Bush and fans...show me!

They are probably unloading them just now

It doesn't matter now does it? As the people who are part of an Anti-War stance...whatever they find will never justify anything.

If they indeed find tons and tons of bio/chem weapons....it will all just be propaganda and Anti-War/Anti-American coalitions will say it was all "planted" there by the Americans.

If the citizens of Baghdad (and Iraq), as some propaganda is being written, as a majority stand up in revolt as they see the Alliance forces move into the outskirts of the city....it will be said that it still justifiy the actions of invading.

Proof is not what the Anti-War folks want to see, in my opinion, it is a time machine that they want....to have the ability to go back 14, 30, hell maybe even a couple thousand days and make sure that this doesn't happen.

Well, that will never be possible....the Conflict has begun....it's been going on...my country, the USA and the Alliance of nations involved in this conflict cannot go back. I didn't want this conflict, this war to happen....but it did....now sitting on the side, what good is it for me to continue to yell "Peace"? I am no sheep being led by my country and president, I still have my own ideas, thoughts, desires, and wishes but I am also a realist. Things have happened that I have no control over and I can't change it at this point...and yes all the demonstrations, peaceful or violent, that occurring around the world now, what are they solving or accomplishing?

Might I suggest...instead of being a flock of sheep lead to the slaughter house and follow the organizers of the Peace Demonstrations, which are solving not one thing....

Start demonstrating or ask questions of how Iraq is really going to be rebuilt. Start demonstrating in support to help the Iraqi people. Start organizing for collections of goods that they will really need to help rebuild their country. That is all in the name of Peace and Humanitarian needs, are they not? If you choose to continue to beat a dead horse....thats fine....but then again all I see is a person who loves the words "should have" or "could have" or "had they"....arm chair quarterbacks who always know a better way and cannot adjust or adapt to a situation and overcome it to see it thru a better way.

@zid

you are right and the humanitarian part has started before the war and as you can see on this forum, the reconstruction is part of discution .....


but there is something else the anti-war would like to remind:

illegality of that war .....
lies ...
"collateral damage"
and all the craps that lead to the war

They don't want to go forward while forgetting that.

And about Iraq reconstruction, I think that it will be hard ...... due to U.S. gov position:

no british, no kangaroo, still nothing for Spain, no U.N. .... only U.S. and puppets paid by U.S. gov including ex-Saddam gov members which atively took part in the killing of Iraqi citizens, some who already sold (in January 2002) oil fields to U.S. oil companies .....

do you really think Iraqi people will accept ?


"U.S. can take Saddam .... but they will not take one piece of Iraq sand"
A already "freed" Iraqi citizen which was taking food and water then started to insult coalition troops ....

And I think that in Baghdad, it will be worst ...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by usa47
Bushfan, you have once again proven what you are!!


What would that be usa47?

I´m sure that if WMDs had been found, they would gladly have presented them as evidence. To me it seems that nothing has been found. Of course later, when the war is over, the US has all the possibilities to frame evidence of found WMDs, so that war can be justified afterwards to retards who believe "news" that the media is telling them. It would be a LITTLE embarrasing to Bush-regime if nothing could be found, all the killing and dying in vain. Only thing that suprises me now, is that this "evidence" hasn´t been framed already...

but they don't care anymore about WMDs, they are freeing Iraqi people ..........

Don't pay attention to these A-Holes usa47? These are the type of MORONS who want to "Rally around the President" even when he's flushing the country down the toilet!

nowar...Believe it or not, some acknowledgement from you is quite refreshing and enjoyable.

If in fact, as you say, the Anti-War Coalition continues to demonstrate is so that we will all never forget this incident or the "crimes" that have been committed, I can buy that....but I also know that this will never be forgotten. Their demonstrations will not be a deciding factor any longer in this....it simply will be recorded in every history book.

So I ask now....why do these demonstrations continue? A large number of these Anti-War/Pro-Peace demonstrations are becoming quite violent, isn't this becoming a contradiction in the "theory" of what they are demonstrating for? Chanting "Peace, Peace" as they rumble with police officers or throwing rocks, fruit, vegetables, etc., with the purposeful intent of causing harm and destruction. In proportion to the "missles and bombs"...the damage that these protesters are causing is miniscule, but more so....they are damaging the "theory" for what their cause is against.

As for some of the other comments, just as I stated in my post above....any evidence that does materialize will be rebuffed as a fake. It doesn't matter any more if anything is found or not, even if it is true or not. Even if a large contingent of Iraqi citizens rush the streets in joy and celebration once they are rid of Saddam....it doesn't matter. Those who have made up their opinions regarding this conflict, will always look upon the US and others of the Alliance as killers of innocent people and hence this conflict will never be justified.

But always remember folks....you can never go back. I personally will always try to find the sunshine off in the horizon, then to sit and dwell in the mud that the rain is creating now.

No zid you can never go back but you can always go forward. There will be another war after this one, then another. The lies that were told before this war and the inconsistencies, the failure to produce evidence of what the war was supposed to be about and the wrong footed prediction of cheering Iraqis must be all debated post-war in an open environment, against a backdrop of America reconstructing Iraq with a keen eye open to see that they are doing it without huge personal gain. The worrying thing though judging by the complete supplication of some pro-Iraq war people is that even if the US media are decent enough to show an objective analysis of the war and reveal the shenanigans and corruptness of America and Britain, those same people will blindly follow their president into the next war. They'll do it because the re will be new reasons, new "evidence" and the lies of before will be forgotten like they were part of a history long past. Nothing learned. Backwards always backwards.

Has it been proven that this was all built upon a lie? If it has, I haven't seen the all encompassing evidence that this was based on all lies.

The never ending circle of peace and war is not the sole responsibility of the US and not the sole country to blame. America will not be the only country in the future to wage any war, for whatever the reasons are that will cause them.

There is only "one" truth that I have seen as an outcome to this entire situation....the inability of an organization called the United Nations to stick to written words and do all that could be done, even if it meant armed intervention.

The US is accused daily of waging this conflict, this war all on the pretenses of Oil. Yet nothing is really said of the fact that the French did not want this war...all on the pretenses of Oil. The French felt that they could "negotiate" and bring an individual and his followers to compliance. Which it failed at and still insisted on trying to negotiate its way thru it all. Even now as countries such as Russia attempt to make deals with Iraq to captialize on the after conflict market. I see truth there....truth in the fact of why this war was readily refuted by some of these countries. They were not concerned of world peace, they were not concerned of innocent civilians dying, their motivating factor was greed....just as much as what the US is continued to be blamed for.

As someone had made reference else where on this board of how Americans are sheep...following their shepard to the slaughterhouse blindly, I ask who also is being led to the slaughterhouse blindly in believing that some of the countries who were against this conflict only on the pretempses of world peace.

That is why there is a split, a rift by all the world leaders when it comes to this conflict. Each side a their vested interests...NEITHER side cared about the innocent civilians. The leaders who were opposed to this conflict only added the lies and deceit in an attempt to gain momentum for their greed.

The decision to avoid this entire situation rested on the shoulders of one man....as all the countries of this world sat on opposing shoulders...teetering tottering. One man...thru telling the truth could have found a balance....one man opposed the world. One side took action...appropriate or not...took action..as one side continued to attempt negotions, which turned even more futile as both sides fought each other. The one man sat in the middle and smiled through the entire process....laughing at the all of us.

One man received his time, his attention that he so yearned for all of his life....the main attraction of the circus. It is all of our faults for giving this man his day in the sun....the day he could revel in his glory of the chaos he created.