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http://www.robert-fisk.com/Bodies-o...-&-her-chil.jpg
http://whatreallyhappened.com/libir.jpg
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraq23.jpg
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraq5_1apr2003.jpg
http://www.robert-fisk.com/1_147115_1_6.jpg
http://www.robert-fisk.com/BAG29-180415-pih-jpg.jpg
http://www.robert-fisk.com/liberatediraqi.jpg
http://www.robert-fisk.com/Wounded-children-.jpg
http://www.robert-fisk.com/WOUNDED-DAUGHTER.jpg
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraq032403.jpg
http://www.robert-fisk.com/Nada_Adm...ll_fracture.jpg


How in the world I see these pictures and keep supporting this barbarian WAR

Thanks for noting forum policy and posting a warning.

all those pictures mean nothing to me..this is the kind of stuff your boy suddam does to his people on a daily basis..

exactly cable166

Saddam has already killed more of his own in just this war on "purpose". Plus all the millions over the years.

They were the same pictures in WW2 so I guess that barbaric war, as you put it, to destroy Hitler shouldn't have ever taken place? Get a clue idiot and the reality of war. Get a clue of what life is about.

Fred Hooper

Saddam Hussien is in charge of a brutal regime and has committed unbelievable atrocities that is true... However to dicard these pictures by saying "Saddam has done worse" is absolute nonsense. I thought the idea portrayed by guys like you was that we were somehow morally better ... Having seen these pictures and others like them it proves that we are just as bad...

Marc

Saddam does these things on "purpose" and thats why its "different". You know the coalition doesn't and has taken very large steps at their risk of their own lives to try stopping civilian casualties. The coalition forces fighting on the lines are just like anyone I would know. They're normal good natured people from down the street that want to do the right thing and not some despotic killer of families from Saddam's regime.

Lets just say Nth Korea attacks Japan and Nth Korea tommorow. These same pics will be there when the Allies fight back. Its just the reality of war and the world.

Civilians always die in every war thats existed and will continue forever. Live with it. If you can't, then one shouldn't comment on the war because you're shutting out reality.

Fred Hooper

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See these also...

http://www.alriyadh.com.sa/Contents.../images/ss4.jpg

http://www.alriyadh.com.sa/Contents.../images/ss3.jpg

http://www.alriyadh.com.sa/Contents.../images/ss5.jpg


Just WHY?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fred hooper
[B]Saddam does these things on "purpose" and thats why its "different". You know the coalition doesn't and has taken very large steps at their risk of their own lives to try stopping civilian casualties. The coalition forces fighting on the lines are just like anyone I would know. They're normal good natured people from down the street that want to do the right thing and not some despotic killer of families from Saddam's regime.

Lets just say Nth Korea attacks Japan and Nth Korea tommorow. These same pics will be there when the Allies fight back. Its just the reality of war and the world.

Civilians always die in every war thats existed and will continue forever. Live with it. If you can't, then one shouldn't comment on the war because you're shutting out reality.



If the reason for invading Iraq is to get rid of Saddam Hussein then you have my vote. Dont mistake my dislike of this war as being some namby pamby liberal, please. War and especially a just war is often a necessity. War for economic, stategic, or just to prove our guns go bang are not good enough. The Iraqis will have some sort of non elected military junta imposed on them and Americans will go back to hunting for reds under the bed or Taleban in their back garden.

Your description of the Coalition forces is touching but shows naivete thats scary... Soldiers are well trained and are there to do a job, no questions asked. They follow orders in most cases regardless of their own opinions. They will kill you if need be or if they have to...

I have no problems with the casualtys of war theory. Im just not a hypocrite. Innocent civilians do die in wars but please dont for a minute think that the US administrations cares a jot what happens to civilians for the civilians sake. If it wasnt for the uproar that it would cause in the US and the rest of the world Iraq would be carpet bombed flat. The people in power in this country couldnt care less about their own people never mind foreigners in a foreign land...


Marc

I hate to say this cable but you Americans really need a good war on your own patch with lots of loved ones being killed and the feeling of helplessness overpowering you. You are a dangerously unfeeling bastard to say that these kids were a reality of war. This war was started by your country and is supported by you. You are rsponsible for this and when the truth of this war is at last allowed to come out, that these kids died not for freedom from Saddam but because of US interest in oil I hope you have just enough sentiment left in your heart shell to be bloody well ashamed.

these pictures are no worse then pictures of what Saddam does to his people. they are no worse then the pictures in the history books. everyone has seen this, we know what war is.

The pictures are no worse than what saddam does, but they are what we do...... NO, not we, the supporters of this invasion.

well...to thos who are always saying "US media never shows what truly happens in war."
I just saw, on my media, people shot, bleeding and blown up.
Guess are media doesn't "hide" as much as people attempt to claim. Yes wonkyconcrete, these things happen in war and to believe it wouldn't is foolish.
I support our troops - my friends over there who are placing their lives on the line, many of them i have known for 7+ years.
I WILL NOT dishonor my friends and perhaps their memory, by standing against them.

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Ive looked at the pics and asked myself why am i to believe that those pics have anything to do with this war.......on your word?



I can attach any pic i want and tie any caption i want to them.......Thats how propaganda works

To Everyone of you that discard these pictures to the back of your mind and tout that Saddam Huessein has "done worse" and did these acts "on purpose" and thats the difference between Iraqi and US actions, you are dillusional and wrong .
The U.S currently uses depleted uranium shells in this very war. The effects of which cause and have caused, numerous cancers and birth defects. In the previous Gulf war the U.S "deliberately" targeted and destroyed water treatment facilities and sewage system plants. This is in direct violation to article 54 of the Geneva convention, and had a much more lasting and devestating effect that putting POW's on t.v. The U.S imposed sanctions which were in place since the last Gulf war have killed an estimated (UNICEF figures) 1 million people throughout Iraq which includes a massive percentage of child deaths due to malnutrition and the lack of medicines deemed ilegal by the U.S. Also within these sanctions chlorine was banned, this had a further devestaing effect on drinking water and its treatment. This also contributed to the deaths of 4000-5000 children a month. Previous secetary of state Madeline Albright described these deaths as "worth it" for the overall cause. All this was done on purpose, with intent. Ask yourself how many wars has the U.S been directly involved in over the last century and the ask yourself who is the biggest threat to world peace. That world doesn't simply consist of English speaking capitalist nations, the real world is diverse and world politics is a lot more complex than U.S foreign policy suggests. The U.S has time after time, gotten away with murder, literally and with purposely. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam have all seen the effects of American destruction. The problem lies in the fact that Americans are too far removed from the actual practises of your government. The U.S has both armed and supported Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Huesein in the not too distant past. Where are the mounts of questions that need to be answered there. The U.S is arming and financing the ilegal occupation of palestine, as well as protecting through the U.N, the Israeli Nuclear program when it is and has been actively engaged in military agression with its neighbours. For Christ sake they're using Apache Helicopters to kill these people. Wake up to the mass destruction worldwide your country is causing. Stop standing up for these goverments and there actions because they salute to the same flag as you. If anything that should spur you on to stopping this carnage.

Well said Ireland!

"The U.S imposed sanctions which were in place since the last Gulf war have killed an estimated (UNICEF figures) 1 million people throughout Iraq which includes a massive percentage of child deaths due to malnutrition and the lack of medicines deemed ilegal by the U.S. "

BULL SH*T!

These sanctions were put in place by the UNITED NATIONS and the Security council of 20 countries within the UNITED NATIONS. The United States is 1 member of 20 countries within that UNITED NATIONS security council. If they had a good case, so be it, but to put the 100% blame on the US, it BULL SH*T!.

Also, there were a few countries in this same security council that violated those sanctions, Russia, Germany, and France most prominently. However, did they violate the sanctions to sell Iraq "Illegal" food and beverages or medicine? No, they violated the sanctions to bring in more weapons and weapon systems so Sadam could keep his people under the thumb easier. Did Sadam have to build 20+ billion dollar palaces for himself with the money from the oil for food program and the other non sanctioned programs monies? No!

Your trying to place sole blame on one country because you have an Anti American Agenda by making up "Facts" and BS opinions that you pretend are facts. Why not try doing a bit of WORK and research before spouting off your mouth?

Pay no mind to the anti-coalition scum bags that plague this board.

Simply vomit verbal obscenities all over them for that is all they deserve.

The anti-coalition maggots have a large cactus embedded deep up their hemmoroidal a*ss. They deserve no attention other than gallons of verbal vomit upchucked all over them.

It is impossible to engage in a war and not have casualties. It is sad and disturbing to view those images. Saddam has done this to his own people. First by attacking them and testing his chemical weapons on them and second by not leaving his position and sparing their lives.

Remember when you look at those photos that Sadaam and people like him do not publish photos of the people they torture and kill. Also remember the pictures of the Kurdish children dead in their mother's arms on the streets after the gas attack ordered by Sadaam. If the people in the Arab world don't like negative attention by the west I would advise them to stop supporting terrorist activities and instead spend their energy and beliefs towards cleaning up their own part of the world of scum like Sadaam.

more support for my statements. 'anti-war protesters simply show the same pictures of hurt iraqis, as if this was not going on before we got there.'

let me explain something to you hod.

first of all, we are not willingly TORTURING iraqis

we are not FORCING THEM TO FIGHT

we are not threatening to RAPE their children and wives if they do not support the regime

we do not CUT OFF THEIR TOUNGES IN THE STREETS AND MAKE THEM SIT IN THE CENTER OF TOWN for not supporting the baath party


YOU ONLY SEE THESE PICTURES BECAUSE THE WAR IS IN IRAQ AND NEWS AGENCIES ARE THERE. BEFORE THIS YOU WOULD NEVER SEE THE PICTURES OF WHAT HUSSEIN HAS DONE TO HIS PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CONTINUED TO DO EVERY DAY FOR THE PAST 3 WEEKS HAD WE NOT DRIVEN THE REGIME OUT OF MOST OF IRAQ.

tell me, what about those photos? what about photos of brothers being tortured because they don't want to join the oppression? what about daughters who's families are told they will be raped if the male does not join the regime? what about pictures of the gassed kurds? of executed kuwaitees? executed iraqis?

what about the footage of people in iraq bringing down saddam monuments, tearing up his posters, celebrating, saying 'thank you mr. bush,' people smiling, happy that they now have an opportunity to rebuild a nation after 30 freakin' years of knowing that they can never be better than trash, because in iraq saddam is on top, and everyone else is ****, either working for him, or paying the consequences for refusal to do so.

and what about these iraqis, arabs, ex-patriots, exiles, etc. who are now joining the FIF to fight against the regime. what about te photos of the ATTROCITIES that their families went through????

yes, all this, and still you maintain this is 'barbaric,' and that this is not for the good of iraqi people. iraqi people are thanking the u.s and celebrating a historic event which may lead to the change of not only a country but even the region. so now you're just telling the iraqi people what is good for them, and are clearly in some sort of denial. it's like you want the war to go on so you have something to protest. pathetic.

as for the looting, you know what, most of it is going on in those baath and iraqi military locations. those people are taking back what belongs to them. i say let them loot, let them destroy all the posters and statues they want.

Does Anyone have a full list of the items not allowed in te sanctions with Iraq???

I have seen many many MANY partial lists, and none of these had anything like food, medicine, and water in them. Nor did they have alot of things against public works projects, and otherwise. Most of the time the lists included alot of things like digital medical equipment which was rightfully banned. Sadam bought 50,000 play station 2's just to get the computer processors out of them to put in weapons systems, so no doubt he would do the same with medical equipment.

But I would stil like to see the full list.

robert,
Ireland is absolutely correct in everything he has said. For the first 8 months of the sanctions ALL food and ALL medicine was prohibited to Iraq in contravention of resolution 661 which made food and medicine exempt from sanctions. After that some sanctions were eased, but things like baby food and chemotherapy drugs remained on the banned list because of there supposed dual use role in manufacturing WMD. Since US and British used depleted uranium in the first gulf war chemo. drugs were vital and they were denied. Tens of thousands died from leukaemias and tumours as a result of land contaminated by radiation. Pain killers are another medicine that still has difficulty in getting into Iraq because of hold ups and blocking.
Yes US is only one country in the UN but it wsa the US and Britain who repeatedly thwrated attempts by the UN to lift sanctions when the genocide was becoming obvious. It is also the US and Britaiin who have exclusively held up vital goods coming into Iraq including the ones mentioned. Whatsmore they didn't even need to give an explanation for the things they banned!

i see.

so if the u.s, which is 'obviously' responsible for all the sanctions in iraq [********], was to 'allow' the u.n to lift the sanctions, then everything in iraq would be great???

here's a news flash for ireland, and anyone else who constantly mentions this topic: iraq was not ruled by the u.n, it was ruled by saddam hussein. lol, do you really think he would allow aid into the country to be delivered to the people as the u.n saw fit? a man who keeps whatever he wants off the market, feeds his citizens with rations, and uses the millions made off of the oil to build himself gold plated toilets. ??? you cannot be serious. and if you think that the u.n would have been able to enforce any kind of humane treatment of iraqi citizens with the regime still in power...well, enough said.

did you read that? saddam treats toilets better than his own people. HOW ARE YOU STILL ARGUING? anti-war people, you have nothing to argue about. if you're still in denial that this conflict has already caused a mass liberation then that's your problem. now we have tough times ahead, and the progression will be slow at first. but we will keep bringing aid, we will allow the u.n to help whatever way and however much they want, and then allow the iraqi people to begin their own, individual, not-ruled-by-a-sick-inhumane-being lives.

oh, but i guess this is illegitemate because we were single-handedly responsible for the sanctions, even though we'll be providing 10 times the aid now than we would have done with those sanctions lifted!!!