Around in Circles (for well over 80 Days)

Iraq Forum

one post:
Bush got rid of Saddam so he won't be killing more people.

the response:
And the moon is made of cheddar cheese.


We of this board have been going around in circles now for months—some of us, including myself, for over a year—on the issue of Iraq. And still, exchanges like the one above are frequently standard fare. What exactly is the point? And where is this going? It seems a more likelihood that heaven and hell shall unite than our partisanship be waned. Do we really believe our own message to be a mind-altering tool—or does it naturally produce the opposite effect? Is it just human nature to exhort and self-flagellate? Is it the entertainment value? Are we all that bored? Are we all just politician-wannabes? What is it that draws us like a moth to a flame?

It's the infectious desire to understand or in some cases alter someone's prespective. I notice some people are only capable of demeening other's point of views in such ways as: "I think you're wrong. You're either wrong because you are stupid or because you're intentionally ignoring facts." Statements like those are rediculous.

If we're going to talk about facts we need to present the most basic and fundamentle facts which can't be denied by either party, and calmly discuss what it means.

I think people's need to feel powerful or smart drives them to the point of ignoring facts all together, and just spewing rhetoric as savvy as possible. It gets to the point where it's hard to tell what is a fact and what is BS. We can't rely on any particular news source for information, so nothing on either side presents is credible.

Basic fundamental facts is all we really have. Conspiritorial propoganda and the like are useless.

But that would be boring...

It boils down to this:

Americans either hate Bush or they love him. Period. Europeans either hate Bush and America or they hate America and Bush. Period.

http://www.inreview.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=275256

...? I don't get it.

Try harder.

Curley Joe: It boils down to - Europeans hate Bush and America. Period.

Neither do I… …but h@ts falls into the rather exreme left of that EUROPIST group whose cheer could be described as…

"Bash George Bush, bash the U.S.,
'cause the Cold War left 'em best!"

…so I'm sure his convoluted message can't be a positive one.

H@t's, I am incapable of understanding what you said, so I am humbly asking you to explain it to me.

You guys really don't understand half the things you cut and paste on here, and practically nothing of what you dredge up from your own heads.