Boom! Saddam May Just Win.

Post-9/11 Era Forum

Don't you find it strange how the war is going? IRAQ people will die to win, So what if Saddam waited until our troop numbers are very high and push a button and blew the country up? What If he has a deal with Korea? Think about it. If we lost 250k of our troops the us would be defensless. Korea has a hard on for us. Its been said that saddom's underground bunker can survive a nuke. I believe we are just being "Baited" by saddom. we keep send in more and more troops. Saddom has said many times "no-one is going to get his country". These people have been pissed of at the US since the "shaw of Iran" thing in the 80s and we took all their gold and never gave it back. They vowed to pay us back ever since, and they have! Check this out for yourself. Today, no-one wants bring this up, because its why we have suffered world trade and 911 attacks.

Do you get out much...

Actually, i do. i have spent time over there, I speak all 5 of the languages real well. Have you ever be outside the US?

Also Marc1888, it appears that you must be very young or have a major lack of "World' knowledge. i came to this conclusion after reading your profile/responses etc. You also indicate that you care about only yourself and no-one else's opinion. (Closed minded) Are you one of these people who use this as a way to "vent" your disappointment of yourself? If you were a little older, you would remember what happened in the eighties. At the very least, You could respond to others opinions with some respect, ask them "why" they believe what they wrote. You may just learn something you don't know. Knowledge is power.

I have heard the 'baiting the US' theory a few times recently and it is beginning to make sense. Even if saddam doesnt kill the US troops, the military spread out over a large area, fighting battles in different regions leaves the US exposed.

It also means the US have less military to send into places (like North Korea) which allows them to get on with their own agenda without having to worry about the marines supervising it.

It may not be North Korea that is doing the baiting either, infact North Korea may also be bait for a much larger, shall we say, fishing trip.

Who might be doing the "fishing trip"?

China would certainly be on the list, the US has many enemys who will wait as long as it takes to get the upper hand and so many methods to use, war has changed I think we will see new types of conflicts, new ways to 'hurt' nations. which is sad, but a fact of life when some countrys have massive weapons arsenals and cannot be beaten in an 'old fashioned' war scenario.

Let me tell you something about America. Lets say somehow that all of those troops were wiped out. America would not be defenseless. If the American people are willing to die for OTHER people's freedom, how hard do you think they would fight for their own. The next day would be the largest voluntary recruitment day into the military of any nation ever.

I cant argue with that, all countries would probebly do the same. I was just saying to expect 'unconventional' methods of standing up the to the US as there arnt many people who can stand up to the destructive power of the US.

...god.

Even if the whole US military abroad could be destroyed the US would not be defenseless.


You think Vietnam was a crazy war? How about an invasion against the US. Can we say 280,000,000 people, fiercely defensive of their homes? How about 300,000,000 firearms in privately owned hands?

I think not.

If saddam does do it
he will lose most of the backing of the countrys he does have surporting him.
Then again Like you said he is willing to die and take as many with him as he can

Over the years major cities and suburbs have banned fire arms. They have invaded homes and removed firearms in this state. Yet It would be true that some still have them,(guns) but not enough to defend in a home war. ammo is also very limited. It still is was a bad law to pass. You get attacked (here) from another country and you need to be screened and wait 3 days just to get a gun to defend your family? who ever would attack us here would do something first like a few well placed missles hiting our geo fault lines causing earthquakes. or their hidden "Sleepers" blowing up stuff. I think there is a few ways to bring the US down long before the fighting is in our streets. Hey, How about this thought...We use all our prision inmates to fight? They like to kill, let them have at it before we loose a "good" citizen!

And to top it off, we have at least 5 military bases in Every Country around the World. We already have the Advantage in a World War. Were already on everyones doorstep

The coming war (read continuation of this conflict) wont be fought mainly between militarys, it will be fought between the terrorists already in place and will drag in the 'normal' man on the street. American citizens will be seen defending their own country from within. Homeland security will take on a different meaning!


Incidently, if anyone is intersted, it is quite eye opening checking the Homeland security website and looking at the images our government have choosen to use. (A viking backed by a dragon is easily interpreted as 'power to the aereon race), They also have an image of a dragon and the US army apparantly attacking NY, I will leave the intrepratation of that, but it used to be an image of a dragon attacking the twin towers, although that was changed a couple of years ago.

...yeah I don't think the terrorists will have much effect anymore. They caught us off guard. Now we are ever vigilant. Do you doubt that if they tried anything on a plane now that they wouldn't get their asses torn to pieces? Plus we are lucky in that the terrorists that live here are of a different race. Don't think that most Americans aren't suspicious of every Muslim, or muslim looking person in this country.

I agree that the terrorism we have seen so far is easier to deal with and we probebly wont be caught off gusrd again, in the same way. I do think we will see, however, a new wave and 'style' of terroism. Individual fundamentalists poisoning water supplies, de-railing trains, real and hoax bomb scares in public places, easy to manufacture at home (ricin etc) chemical weapons.

This invasion has no doubt convinced a lot of 'middle of the road' fundamentalists to take action and more actively support their cause.

another thought; How many of you rely on electronic money? you keep a small amount of cash in your home, but you have a ATM, credit cards ETC. Ever have a problem? What if all of a sudden this electronic system was not working? The bank people would not let you with draw any of your cash, they live and die by what the computer screen says..Right? What if some terriost computer genus has a way to do this? (some of the best programmers are from the middle east) How could you buy food for your family? Ammo for your gun? Would there be kaos? If we have a problem on our soil you can bet the banks would be the first to close. then what are you going to do?

In that case, the entire American economy would melt down, taking evey other countrys economy with it. International corporations would collapse, and the entire world would be plunged into a depression.

Well the public opinion down here is just the same as everywhere else. Divided. Some people support it, and some people don't. I'm not sure on the actual figures, as I don't know of any recent polls.

As for other contries opinion of us, well I can't really speak for that. I don't believe we've stepped on all that many toes in the past, but we've had less time to do it too. A lot of people don't realise that Australia as a country is only a little over a century old. It's only relatively recently that it's even started to be largely recognised in the international community. We are a fairly small nation compared to some other places, with a population only a little over 10 million I believe. I feel we are a very strong nation, and a very fair nation however. Australia is a nation of immigrants, so there is an incredible fusion of culture down here, and because of that, a fairly wide acceptance. That has only come around in the past 50 or so years though. I'm glad to say that past problems such as racism and discrimination are all but gone now. Maybe it's that multicultural aspect. I dunno.

bitwiz44, I agree with you on your last post. Few of us ruined it for the rest. As i said earlier in another post, after 9/11, i had been humilated more than once when i was in the US.

The odd thing is that most of those people who insult or throw words become very friendly when they know me in person, the question is why do they (the mid east haters) always persume that you're a bad person unless proven otherwise.

-Rage

Thanks for the thoughts bitwiz44, if only more were thinking the same way you do..

-Rage

Thats true. I can put into down to our barely hundred year history as a nations and geographical isolation for the non hatred of any other peoples or nation. The people here are the most important aspect though by far and even 99.9% of immigrants over the decades leave behind their former countries troubles. Peace, harmony and wealth reign foremost every time.

Paradise in one word and some don't really know good we have it. I've travelled the world and I assure you that we have it best in all aspects of life and society. Lifestyle is the business of living in OZ.

What about East Timor in 1999? Thats our spirit and we've never fought a war for our own personal foreign conquest or gain.

Fred Hooper

I want to say"thanks" to Rage and the guys "down under" for their insite they have shared. Knowledge is power.
Getting back to the real reason I started this: I still cant help believing we are in for a big suprise. surely saddom had to know this would go like it has. So what is his "Trump" card?

Ironic, I just remembered the opening story of a "Mad max" movie.

I think Saddam knew that if the US ever actually took action against him, he was finished. He thought he count on the track record of the US of not bothering to get involved with pretty much anything unless it was of direct benefit to the US though. This action by the US caught him by surprise I think. He was probably planning to just have things running round and round in the UN forever, and if the US hadn't made this action, I think it probably would have.

Ok, that is possible, but we was so sure that he had all these "Bad" weapons, but still we have not found the "smoking gun" needed to justify our actions against him.

We have found 10 missiles loaded with chemical agents. Missles hat the Iraqi government flatly denied having before this conflict started. There is most likely many more discoveries like this still to come.

:P

Yeah, I was looking a that myself after I posted it. I couldn't be stuffed editing it though.

The "TEN" ...That was found, does it consitute a take over? More has to be found or there will be a "Black eye". You think that maybe the rest of them are pointed at the troops?

I personally believe more will be found, but I think most of them are not just sitting out in the open like what has been found so far. I think that Saddam probably has a large cache in hidden bunkers out in the desert, or buried under and around military installations. That's just my theory though. Time will tell.

There are many differences between that scenario and what is going on in Iraq, but the most blatent one I will point out is that they have not turned Iraq upside down looking for these weapons yet. Hell, if you want to draw these kind of comparisons, I'd say it's more like they found the 10 joints sitting on your doorstep, and they haven't even checked the safe yet. If you had a massive cache of joints, would you just leave them sitting out for all to see, especially if you had the cops crawling up your *** looking for anything to bust you with? Hell no, you'd hide them pretty **** well, or maybe even take them off your property all together.

I think many countries are VERY interested in seeing the US fail. From our European "friends" to the Chinese and other major powers. Anything that hurts us is good for them politically. But they also understand quite clearly that anything that hurts our consumers is BAD for them. Its about $$$. If the Chinese manufacturing sector lost US consumers their economy would collapse.

They will take proxy pot shots at every opportunity, but there is no conspiracy or threat of direct action.

Definately not. Gas in vegas is at 2.01 a gallon and holding *&*&&%&%^^%&^%&% it!

Nobody has the technology to "blow up" 250,000 troops spread across an area the size of California. Yes, some damage could be done, but the U.S. would remain THE world power. We still have enough nukes to deter an attack on this country by another nuke power. Don't forget the subs!

Charles, a quote can not "literally" jump out at you, only "metaphorically." Sorry cheap shot, nothing to do with the war, apologies. I'll get my coat!

But its true. I am horrible with quotes but when I read this all the other words around it seemed blurred and it "popped" out at me. I find it applicable to many issues and it seems to me a basic algorithm for understanding human conflicts.

If comes to a contest between a newborn lamb and a hungry wolf, the wolf will ALWAYS win.

I did deserve your correction though and will try to keep it in mind.

Have you heard this?
"Since we are here lets clean up syria too while we're at it"
CNN

Yep, Syria's next. Wonder what BS lies they'll concoct about that one. Can always rely on the a few cretins buying it whatever reason is given.

Ya know, after starting this thread and 430+ readers and 60 post I did not get even 1vote.....Bah humbug!

moved? how did that happen?

And i dont get it? This thread was just move to Terrisiom....and it jumps back here....I am confused.....I need to cut back on the coffee....

The wrong side of what line? The same side of the line as Iraq that never attacked you or looked even likely of attacking you. Whee does the US get its idea that it and it alone can decide who needs sorting out and who doesn't. Is'nt somewhere like Zimbabwee in need of some of your liberating war more than Syria. Isn't Saudia Arabia a much more significant threat as a terrorist state than Syria. Isn't N korea a far more dangerous nation of WMD than Syria. Why does Syria in allits mediocrity suddenly register so highly on the US list. None of this makes any sense.

What we are trying to do is IMPOSE some rules in the middle east in an effort to create the conditions for peace and stability. It just didn't seem to happen "all by itself."

Give peace a chance Grim!

If you look at the average arab fellow at a demonstration burning flags and calling the US the mother of evil, etc., etc., it must lead you to believe that they are being, shall we say, manipulated to some extent?

Of course its convenient to blame the USA as a distraction for their people. Makes life easier for the regimes.

I think the next few years will see significant changes in the middle east.

But that's not what the war was supposed to be about -Imposing rules. It was about liberating people. Of course it was supposed to be about WMDs but because sod all has still yet to be found the liberating argument sounds so much better and we'll all just go with that one until something jucier turns up.
IMPOSE laws - no Charles I don't like the sound of that one bit. Why do you feel the need to impose anything. US said this was about free democratic choice for the Iraqi people now Saddam hasgone. You don't IMPOSE freedom, a society arrives at its own interpretation naturally and without foreign outside help.

I was speaking ironically, you moron Rambo. I don't believe it has anything to do with liberation, I was simply making the point that so many different arguments were used that no-one knew exactly what the real reason was for war...oh, all exempt you Rambo cos you're way clever like ain't you. (I'm speaking ironically again, turd head)

BOMB THE RAG HEADS. WHY WAIT FOR US TO FIND SADDAM JUST END OUR PROBLEMS.

LOL GUYS Pleaaaase i cant read this anymore.
NKorea blews the heck out of Iraq killing everybody - 250,000 american soldiers, and 24,000,000 iraqis. I am pretty sure 2 nuclear warheads 1950s quality that they have would be enough. After it happens, US with all it's WMDs including but not limited to chemical, biological, explosive and nuclear bombs; with all it's air and sea forces; with 280,000,000 population will be completely defenseless. Also, NATO allies will momentarily go from peace and alliance to a state of war, the whole world will be against the US, OH YEAAAAA! Saddam will win.
Oh i forgot. He won't - aliens will come and help US. Together with an army of Robocops and Terminators.

My point is this thread is stupid. Clear enough?

This thread reads like the "Project for a New America" web site!!

No wonder USA Gov feels they can attack anyone anywhere with impunity. They have programmed enough Americans to believe bizarre ludicrous scenarios where the entire world is their enemy... where everyone who looks different is a sleeper { God, how sad... I am sure whatever burning corner in hell Se. McCarthy is in he wishes he could come back... this is his kind of fear mongering paranoia }... and where average citizens consider it OK that their Gov has an interest in deciding how other countries are run???????

This thread was started A long time ago. Today Its a mute point. Perhaps the reason it was moved also.

No Rowdy....As in my theory of why I started the thread. As for this war...Only the money people had anything to gain.