Avril vs Hillary Duff

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ANGRY AVRIL SLAMS DUFF

Rock chick Avril Lavigne has embarked on a bitter feud with teen rival Hilary Duff, dubbing her a "mommy's girl."

The singer, 19, snapped back after actress/singer Duff, 16, told a reporter Lavigne needed to appreciate her fans more.

Angry Avril says, "Who the hell cares what she has to say about my fans? Whatever. Hilary Duff's such a goody-goody, such a mommy's girl."

The singer admitted she had never met Duff -- but mocked her good-girl image further, joking, "I'm sure she's really nice and really sweet. I'm sure she's all smiles."

Despite their rivalry, both teens have had their music careers helped by music maestros the Matrix.

That's the war of words. There are some people who don't like being badmouthed. You say something, they'll snap right back at you. Eminem is the most stylish when it comes to this.

Just a shake of the head really...

Avirl has not even met Hilary!!! how can she even say tose things about her. people like tat make me want to

Also, Hilary has not met Avril, how can she say that about Avril and her fans.
I'm pleased that Avril told it how it is, cause there is no need to hold back what you want to say when someone deserves it.

You can't truly say that they have never met. They must have met or at least seen each other in person, they both go to Awards shows and the like, so they must've crossed paths at some time.

If Hillary Duff started it, then thats a bit silly, why slag off on someone you've never met? Although I have heard that Avril has been rude to a lot of her fans, does not respond to fan mail and doesn't sign autographs for fans either. So maybe what Hillary said is true, even if it is: what Avril does to/ with her fans is her business.

You would think that even if Hillary thought badly of the way Avril treated her fans, she would keep it to herself, because if Avril keeps treating her fans badly, they will desert her and Hillary would have less competition.

PS: I know Hillary and Avril are not in direct competition, but you know what I mean. I mean in general, in the music inductry, not pop vs rock/ punk/ whatever you guys have decided Avril is.

dang good thing im no Avirl fan. id hate to be dissed by on of my rolmodels (Not that she is)

lmao thats true and shes baging hilary out at me rotflmao

you are all retarded!!! why is hillary dumn duff getting into avrils stuff .Avril did not say that people who dress like her should get a life.I shuld know I dress like her.like she said hillary is such a mommy`s girl

good first post

hey man none of us Hilary Duff Fans said Hilary dresses or acts like Avril,
it Avrils fan that thinks Hilary dresses like Avril, well anyhow she doesnt cos Avril dresses like a tomboy most of the time unlike Avril Hilary dresses like a normal girl, Heaps of ppl from Australia dresses like Hilary so that counts Hilary normal, And she doesnt copy the stuff Avril does shes to bussy to copy a tom-boy.
Just cos Hilary got help from her mom to get where she is now does not make her a mommy's girl cos if thats so Avril is a mommy's girl cos she also had help from her mom to get where she is now.
and if u wish to stur me just email me at
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Just about every person in the industry has their mum's with them. Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Avril, Hillary, the Olsen girls, etc. I think it's good, loving your mum is finally becoming cool!!!

Avril has admitted that she has never actually met Hilary. Avril is a mean girl and her lousy attitude will eventually be her downfall.

That is true. shes allready started her downfall so not long till its a waterfall.

well wat else would u expect from a girl who has no fealings for other ppl.

This excuse worked two years ago when she really was new to the spotlight but she can't use that one any more. I honestly think she is kind of stupid. She did drop out of school and is rather uneducated to say the least. She certainly says things without thinking it through first. She ends up getting caught in lies and inconsistancies that way.

yes with the sleep thing think of all the soldiers in iraq they hardly get sleep as u should know.

LAVIGNE SLAMS DUFF FOR BEING A 'GOODY-GOODY'

Teen rocker Avril Lavigne has launched a fresh attack on chart rival Hilary Duff, accusing her of being a "kiss a--."

The singer -- who has yet to bump into 16-year-old Duff socially -- says her reasons for disliking the blonde are justified, as she's a "goody-goody."

Lavigne, 19, rages, "I don't really like her. She's too much of a kiss a--. You can tell that she's a goody-goody. She'll probably try to avoid me for the rest of her life."

But one pop rival has won new respect from sharp-tongued Lavigne -- superstar Britney Spears.

She adds, "If Britney wanted to be cool and hang out, then I would put all ego aside. But I don't regret anything I've said about Britney."

Yes of course.

I have a big ego and I'm not afraid to admit it. Most people who have big egos aren't afraid to admit it.

Nice that she wants to hang with Britney. I'm not sure about the Duff thing...maybe she's just doing it to cause a little controversy, like she did with Britney when her last album came out.

hold it right there i know that avie has never maet hil but on june 2 2004 me and my gal pals where talkin and a friend named sam said "avie is so a poser " i understand that, I have a artical about avie being a gilegirl so i know, then i said "if you are going to talk about posers you might as well be talkin about hilary duff because the word hilary is spelled hiLLary not 1 L she totaly messed up the hillary name she is so a poser.

you better be redy for a punch in the mouth by avie hillare duff

yah that is true

shut up are you a avril fan because if you were you would know tha avril`s nickname is avie so alviusly you are a poser just like hill is .i said that hill is a poser because of many things.so your a poser too

yo also have these stupid qoutes

hi

im not jelouse so dont talk about what you dont know about

<removed> you

people just shut up

I just thought I would reply to this and thank you for the laugh. I don't know how I ended up here, but must admit, I was amused by your replies to the child who clearly can't entertain an adult argument. It's a shame she hasn't responded again. I could have gotten used to it!

Hiliary Duff probably started this to just prove she isnt a goodie goodie mommies girl. They do have to compete with eachother. Hiliary just say that avril doesnt like ppl dressing like her right??? but doesnt everyone feel the same way when everyone is dressing like you. O by the way have ya noticed that Hilary has been trying to dress a lil bit like Avril???

I'd say Avril started this. From all reports, she was asked in an interview what she thought of HIllary and she said that Hillary was a "mummy's girl" without even having met Hillary. Besides, AVril hates everyone so I would assume she'd be the first one to start name-calling. Hillary doesn't strike me as the sort to start the name-calling, well not in public anyway.

Well...I guess I agree with you guys..actually..I agree with all of you..but you guyz are forgetting one thing...It doesn't matter how bad or good someone treats their fans.I mean...If I was a singer (which I'm close to becoming) I wouldn't wanna sign all those photographs and stuff...Fans just don't care really...they just wanna show off the signiture and throw the stuff at you.Plus...I like Avril's attitude cuz it's just like mine!And the thing she said to Hilary Duff was awesome.If hilary started it than i wouldn't expect any more than a comeback.I always have to get the last word and i guess she does to!

Stop fighting...You guyz are acting like 5 year olds...EXACTLY like the kids my friend babysits!

well...thanks for the info!!!I know that...i made a mistake...okay..here's wut i think.Some fans DON'T care others DO so there.I still wouldn't want crap being thrown at me like im some slave that has to sign everything!

I think Avril is right, Hillary had no right to talk about her that way its none of her bussinusHillary can't tell others how to be famouse I hate Hillary, shes always stiking her nose in other peoples buznis, and all u fans out there who went to her concert guess wut Hillary does at her concerts? She pops in her CD and moves her lips!! hows that for treating fans, Im not just saying that its one of the many reasons i hate her, Hillary isnt perfect wen it comes to fans she goes and says things about Avril and go to this link http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~zaphod/avril/skirt.jpg now go towww.hillaryduff.com and look hil copied avrils outfit!!!!! Hillary Duff is sucha Poser, 1st shes pop now punk rock?! she thinks shes perfect but shes not so she cant tell others how to be If Avril has fans then that means shes doing her job GOSH! I can say much more and i will but i gotta go buh bye

HILLAIRY SUCKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!

Let me ask you this one question who is fighting here? It seems that Hilary and Avril are the ones that are supposed to be fighting but now all of the fans are getting them selves involved when you don't even know if their life is an act. But i guess if you like them so much i understand that you are angry with each other. But if you think about it everyone is a mummy's girl because almost everyone grew up with a mother including Avril so i think that she's not in the possition to judge!!!!!!!
From Britneyrox
oh and get over who copied who ang oh yeah Un0gosse7Fou i think you should stop being so mean to Hilary since you can't even spell her name.

gee you guys is there something wrong with being stylish these days now Hilary and like every other pop star arent allowed to dress the way they like because their fans keep saying that theyre copying each other and oh yeah this is so stupid that you think that Hilary is trying to sing like Avril too cause i have her album and she had it out way before Avril made a come back. So just let them be themselves it's not like they critisise you on what you wear. Have you ever been somewhere and had the same outfit as someone else. Well then why arent people saying that you copied them. Visversa. Exactly they arent so leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!

GO HILLARY!!!!!

I cant believe this has gone on for four pages.....Hillary Duff is an Actress....not a musician. She has everyone else write her pretty little songs and she "sings" them if you can call it singing. As far as actuall music tallent goes their is hardly a difference between Hillary Duff and most of the teenage girls you see walking around in your home town.

Thats it. You have just gone too far. How do you know that Hilary doesn't write her own songs? Exactly you dont. So she's pretty and she's talented and just cause you dont like her songs doesnt mean that you don't like her! For someone who hasn't met her i think that you shouldn't judge.

Lindsay Lohan releasing an album is nothing. Paris Hilton is releasing an album for God's Sakes.

Whether you like it or not Hilary already is a musician and hey she might have got help with her first few songs but now she makes them up all by herself! AND it is silly that the pop stars get to become singers before the rest of the world just because theyre famous but hey what can arguing on a website do? And Paris has to be on everything so this is no surprise. But i have nothing against her. And Lindsy well what can i say about her iu think that she should stick with movies.

Yes wether I like it or not Hillary Duff is making albums, I'll admit that but I wont ever call her a musician. She might write a few songs here and there now but she will NEVER write music or compose a single musical note. Yes it is silly that teenage actresses get to release albums just to make money when there are actually talented musicians out there. Posting on forums like this although it doesnt reach record companys it does reach someone more important, the consumer. Letting people know about the state of music these days even if on a website is very important I believe. Its like waking people up who are in a coma. Even if people refuse to believe that what they are buying isnt real music they still are hearing the opionion and that is important because someone will realize "hey im tired of this fake music, I want something real". I dont have anything against Paris or Hillary either, I just feel its sad that what should be music for 13 year olds is being passed off as real talented musicians making real music and thats just not the case.

This is supposed to be about a fight about who stole who's outfit and now it's about who stole who's music and why Hilary isnt a musician. Well ok i've heard your side but Hilary isnt in a coma and she is making music which makes her a talented musician. Whats not to get? And everyone is picking on Hilary now i just dont understand it why arent we talking about some other star who is making music but she's supposed to be an axctor like Linsay Lohan or some other person?

They are all the same. Whether it's Paris or Hillary or Lohan or Bittany Murphy. They are all actors, cashing in on their fame as actors and trying to make is as legitimate singer, which they will never be unless they write and produce their own music.

And thats exactly what Hilary does why can't you see that?

I can see that, that's what I mean. Hillary is an actor, not a musician. AVril can actually play an instrument, she actually writes music and lyrics. Hillary is a puppet.

I play the violin which makes me a musician right? right. But i dont make up my own music i dont make up every note that i play but i am still a musician whether you like it or not. This is exactly the same as Hilary Duff's music. She may have not made it up but she sings it so that makes her a musician.

I Sing along to MTV in my lounge room, does that make me a musician?

And she is a good singer so i think that settles it! Oh and dont bag Paris Hilton she may be a good singer for all you know.

Avril Lavigne can kick Hilarys Butt.

Whatever

go avril!

No what i mean is that Hilary hasn't done anything wrong and people are saying that she has copied Avrils music. But if you say that she doesnt write her own songs then how is she copying avril? She is a musician because she sings the music in her own way. Do you understand that?

GO HILARY!!!!!! YOU KNOW YOUR THE BEST!!!

avril avril avril avril avril avril avril GO AVRIL

Exactly my point.

And I don't think anyone ever said that Hillary was copying Avril in music or lyrics, the only point made about Hillary copying Avril was in relation to them both wearing a black singlet top and a red tartan skirt at some point in time, which is stupid.

This thread originally came about because Avril called Hillary a mummy's girl without even having spoken to Hillary.

avril avril avril avril avril avril avril avril GO AVRIL

HILARY SUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats my point

Thats what i'm saying isn't it? Yes if you change the music or play the music your own style you immediately become a musician. And how is Hilary a clone she hasn't copied Avril at all. She has her own style of clothes and her own style of music which she makes up and if you can prove that she doesnt i will be fascinated to find out all about. But until you can prove it i think that you should have nothing more to say on this matter. Avril has never met Hilary and visversa. And yeah i think i do read my own letters over before i submit them. Who doesn't? And if you ask me i can tell you that Hilary's picture with the black top and the red and black skirt were taken way before Avril had her clip finished. And i dont even think that Avril copied Hilary because Avrils skirt may have been the same colour as Hilary's and the same with the top but the style was completely different!

And you say that Hilary is an actress not a musician. Well there are many other stars like that also. like for instance Mandy Moore who starred in Princess Diaries after she became famous for singing and Delta Goodrum who became famous as an actress on the show neighbours then became a singer and also Justin Timberlake on a movie i dont remember the title to but anyway that was after he became famous for singing. So there are many other stars out there that have done the same thing as Hilary so i dont think that everyone should be picking on Hilary.

I'm not saying she a clone of Avril.

I am saying she is a pop clone. Avril actually IS different to everyone to a certain degree. Hillary just churns out crap that's the same as every other pop bimbo on the market. You reckon she has her own style of music? Pop isn't exactly a style that she can claim as her own.

I can assure you that she doesn't make her own music up. If she did write her own songs and lyrics, you can be sure that it would be plastered everywhere that she was a singer-song-writer. If you own a Hillary Duff CD, scan in the CD sleeve and prove to me that she wrote even one of the songs on any of her albums.

I am not saying she can't sing (well maybe I am) I am just saying that she's another mediocre supposed "talent". She has nothing special to offer, nothing different from anyone else out there in pop-land.

PS: I think the debate about who was wearing the black top and red skirt first really stupid. If you looked hard enough you could probably find a picture of just about everyone wearing a red tartan skirt and a black top. I know TATU did it. I think I have seen Britney do it. I think Gerri Halliwell used to wear that type of skirt a lot, there was a time about two years ago when tartan was really in, so everyone was wearing it.

As for the acting. Mandy Moore can act, probably better than she can sing. Delta Goodrem can also act and sin, both VERY well. Hillary Duff is nothing special in either department. I actually hate the fact that once you're in one industry, it automatically gives you a foot in the door to another industry. Britney Spears certainly didn't deserve a chance to act, Mariah Carey didn't deserve a chance to act. Naomi Campbell didn't deserve a chance to record an album, Paris Hilton doesn't deserve anything she gets.

Ok Listen up sunshine. Only one or two of the stars that sing it has never been their music from the beginning. So Hilary has done that i am not denying it. But she sings it so that makes it HER music. And if Hilary isn't any good at singing or acting then why is she always the main parts in a movie or why has she sold so many albums? Has it ever occured to you that all stars who try to sing but can't never get anywhere. Britney hasn't made another movie since Road Trip because she was terrible in it she isn't made for acting. But Hilary is, so thats why she's still doing what she does best. Most pop stars have to pass a judgement before they can become singers or actors. Hilary has passed those. So now whether you like it or not she is singing and acting because she is good at it. Her sister has only sung one song with her that does not make it easy for her to become a pop star. And if you think it is easy then i think you should think again. They have to deal with people like us talking about them on websites and they have to deal with the media blowing things out of proportion about them. It's not fair for them either. So as much as you may hate them how would you like it if you were talked about on a website. Some things are just rumours and should be left alone. If you listen carefully to Hilary's new song with her sister Hailey you will realise that she is just like us and she hates people talking about her behind her back.
P.S sorry about the sunshine bit but i wanted to use it and it sounded fun!

First off I would just like to say that Schmiggens although we dont always agree on everything I do have to say you are 100% correct on this subject and I have alot of respect for you because of it.

Now for the topic.....

BritneyRox you say that because Hilary sings her music it makes it her music, well thats true and untrue at the same time. It doesnt make it her words but an artist can take someone elses words and make them their own by adding their emotions and bring out of the song a feeling that is all their own. But Hilary is not one of those artist.

As for your question.....

"And if Hilary isn't any good at singing or acting then why is she always the main parts in a movie or why has she sold so many albums?"

Well here is the sad truth. It doesnt matter if you are great at what you do when your fanbase doesnt know the difference between good music, bad music and great music, and of course good/bad/great acting as well. All they need to be succesfull is to look really good and....... well thats really all it takes. People like Hilary Duff are marketed to young kids and teens because teens are so impresionable and easily sold on what to like, what to wear, what to watch and what to listen to. This is an age old formula that has worked for along time and will probably always work. When you ask if it has occured to us that all stars who try to sing but cant never get anywhere....who are these stars you are speaking of. The only one I can think of is Jennifer Love Hewitt...but she did release atleast 4 albums....and man is she hot...err thats off the subject but anyway.....its all about looks and image in the pop industry. Do you think if Birtney Spears was overweight and with acne all over her face she would be as succesfull? The answer is of course no. You say most actors and singers has to pass a judgement before they become popular. You say Hilary has passed those. That is true. But what you dont understand is that those judgements arnt really that dificult to pass for someone with such a young fanbase. You dont really care about artistic integrity, you just dont want people to insult the people you like. That is true wether you realize/accept it or not.

I was very lucky when it comes to musical influence when I was a kid. I was raised by parents who knew alot about music....good real music. I am now 23 and in the first grade I knew who the Beatles were....I knew about Led Zepplin and Aerosmith and Jimmy Hendrix just to name a few. By the third grade I was listening to the same music my classmates parents were listening to and had developed a sense of what true artistry is. My mind wasnt poisend by the fake music of a Hilary Duff or even a Britney Spears who just dances and lip sings (sorry Schmiggens.) I thank god everyday that I wasnt sold the crap that is put out today, although I was a little later in my childhood....stuff like Criss Cross and crap like that. The point is that I knew/know better than to buy into that mass produced junk that is now called music.


BTW-

I dont think the Britney movie was called RoadTrip.... Schmiggens correct me if Im wrong here but wasnt it called Crossroads? Aslo Hilary or 99% of all celebs are nothing like us (unless your filthy rich to). Their world is entirely different from ours.

1% for hilary and 100% for avril

Well okay okay i understand both of your points you don't like Hilary your intitled to your opinion. especialy about music! you can like whatever type of music you want and so can i. and i like the music we have know. There is such a variety and heaps of cool singers out there.
And Vodka you said in one of your posts you said that i dont want anyone to insult the people i like. Well can you please answer this question. Isn't my name BritneyRox? so obviously i think britney rox! but in my other letters i find myself telling you that i hated her movie CROSS ROADS and that she can't act! so i have to say your seriously wrong about that. And it is not Hilary's fault or any othwer star that their younger sibling or older sister or whatever get into the singing business. If you need someone to blame blame their parents. Their parents get greedy. one star in the family is good but two in the family thats fantastic. They love the money and love being able to buy as much as they want when they go shopping. What i mean when i say that it's hard to become famous is not the getting in part but the pressure of everyone telling you that your family is depending on you and one muck-up can do a lot of damage. So stop blaming Hilary for that at least.
Another thing Hilary's sister is older than her not younger.
Also you told me that i wrote down the wrong movie with CROSS ROADS AND ROAD TRIP. oh well thats only because i hated the movie that shows how much i liked it and plus it's only a name. They both have road in it somewhere.
Another thing what's with Avril lately she's different know. She's changed her style and her hair because of this thing with Hilary. Whats going on??? And i watched Cadet Kelly the other day also because i am a huge fan of Hilary obviously and it sounded good. It wasn't as good as it was making out but i enjoyed it. It wax aimed at teenagers like Hilary's career. That movie was NOT Hilary's movie she didn't write it she didn't choose what she was to say but she did it and it was an alright movie. So stop blaming her as always!
Another thing you asked me what other people try acting or singing after the other and never suceed. Well here are a few. For starters: Paris Hilton, Justin Timberlake etc etc. there are many more but i'm too busy to name them all. Question if you hate Hilary then why did you even watch Cadet Kelly?
Also When she's 30 she will retire and have fun doing what she wants to do which is none of any of our business.
Oh and half of the people you listed on your list of older or younger sisters well frankly i havent heard of them at all.
You dont have to like Hilary's acting or her music but do you think she cares. She has millions of fans backing her up all the way. (Including me). AND if she wants to sing and act thats her decision nobody's forcing you to watch her movies or buy her cd's or even listen to her music. So why are you complaining? Sorry i thought you would have picked up on how i spelt Haylie's name wrong but you spelt it wrong as well so yeah. Anyway You said you think that the go go's or whatever(Our Lips are sealed) would be better than Hilary's now well weren't you listening to that sort of music when you were younger. And i dont want to tell you how old i am so MY LIPS ARE SEALED!

Well BritneyRox you say you understand but after reading your post it is incredibly clear you havent the slightest idea. Its like this. Take Hitler and the Nazi party and you tell me who was more responsible for all the evil things that happend. Most people would say Hitler obviously and I would say they are wrong. The people that followed Hitler and choose to do his dirty work are the most responsible. I know you do not see my point in the relation to todays music industry and are probably thinking "Hilary Duff is not a Nazi ". But here is my point. I do not blame people like Hilary Duff for making the terrible music that they do, I am not angry with her or any other demi-artist because they sell millions of records. Where I see the real problem is the Nazi party, the people who are buying all the junk. Its not that I really care if some brainless moron wants to buy the same CD wrapped in a different package everytime they go to their local music store. If people like recycled music then thats their loss. The area of issue for me is the massive number of brainless morons who are buying the recycled junk. Because of this evergrowing trend many many good artist never get a fighting chance because they can not be mass marketed to pig-tailed idiots. I think back to when I was younger and how listening to the radio was so much fun. Now the radio can be used as a tool of torture. Its not just the pop stations either, its every where. Even on the rock stations I used to love. Groups like New Found Glory and Good Charlote, its very sad.

Ok BritneyRox, I did say previously that you do not care about artistic integrity you just dont want to insult the people you like. If you are able to see faults in even your favorite things in life then I think maybe I shoud give you a little more credit. But just as Im thinking that you say "whats with Avril shes changed her hair and look because of this Hilary thing..." and then I have to take the credit right back. Avril is changing into a woman, she is growing up, that is why she is changing. Not because of a 16 year old girl or how ever old Hilary is...its quite foolish to think that. Also as far as that Cadet Kelly thing your talking about...I dont have a clue what that is..well I guess I do after reading your post but I certainly havent watched it thats for sure.

To my great delight I have only heard a small portion of Hilary Duff's version of "Our Lips Are Sealed" and it is not better than the Go Go's version. Although It might be better than death by decapitation.....maybe. Also you would be really surprised as to what I listen to and what I used to listen to. I just bought Mariah Careys "Music Box" yesterday. My musical taste is very vast and it holds true varitey, not like the varitey you seem to believe exists in todays popular music. Its kind of funny that you would say "My lips are sealed" when you dont have a clue as to what the song is about lol

Just for education I'll tell you what it is about. The song is about staying a virgin. "OUR LIPS ARE SEALED".